Kurt's Card Care

[imbluestreak23]

Love seeing the Kurt’s duck butter fanbois up in arms over this.

These dumb dipshits literally have the wit to comment publically as to their own use and advocacy for such products. Bunch of absolute dipsh**s

Waxing sacks and braggin about it! Weird

[auburn35]

Some additional details, with comments from PSA.

The battle of PSA vs. Kurt's Card Care has reached a fever pitch since PSA deactivated cards due to evidence of alteration.
https://twitter.com/cllctMedia/statu...58082343637403
https://www.cllct.com/sports-collect...ing-rejections

PSA submission terms and conditions dictate that cards cannot be altered.

"We are fine with blowing on it or using a dab or water or using microfiber to clean it," said Ryan Hoge, president of Collectors, parent company of PSA. "But when you are doing much more, we are not on board."

PSA guarantees that cards that it grades will always uphold that grade, and if it doesn't they are on the hook. Hoge says he can't guarantee a card that was improved by using solvents.

"We are the ones with the financial obligations," Hoge said. "We are not comfortable grading these cards when we have to be standing behind them for years down the road."

Colone does not disclose what ingredients are in his spray, although he maintains they are all natural and won't hurt the cardboard. His website does that damage to the card using his product is not his responsibility.

Colone attributes the battle with PSA to cancel culture.

Hoge said PSA is charged with staying ahead of trends given the financial liability they have if something that restores a card changes its condition in future years.

Said Hoge: "If people want to crack a card out and resubmit, they can, but we want real legitimate items coming back, not items that were manipulated."

[YayNJ]

so the Kurts guy is basically blaming his house of cards coming down on 'woke'

what a dumb society we live in these days.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

so the Kurts guy is basically blaming his house of cards coming down on 'woke'

what a dumb society we live in these days.

But isn't wokeness responsible for all our ills!?

[hxcmilkshake]

Yeah we're not woke, youre just stupid if you think you're some kind of innovator.

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[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by auburn35

PSA submission terms and conditions dictate that cards cannot be altered.

They do say that, but that’s some lip service BS as they also are happy to profit on slabbing altered cards that apparently should not even be submitted based on their “terms”.

[calmar]

Originally Posted by larry25

But isn't wokeness responsible for all our ills!?

You said it brother. Without "wokeness" and its equivalents over the last 200 years this country could still enjoy forced child labor, slavery, rape rarely prosecuted, drunk driving rarely prosecuted, domestic violence rarely prosecuted, gayness being illegal and a mental illness, polluted air and water taking 10 years off life expectancy, voting only for wealthy white landowners with testicles, veterans and old people told to go suck it and die with little assistance, no weekends off, I mean that crap's ruined everything.

[majestik101]

subscribed

[discodanman45]

I am fine with Kurt's Card Care with a few stipulations.

1. PSA will have a check box on their submission site stating if the submitter knowingly soaked, trimmed, or used a product like Kurt's Card Care on their cards. Legal jargon with a signature is required.
2. If they said yes, PSA will use an alternative label and still grade the card. However, it will be under an altered label.
3. If the person says no and there is proof of this, like Kurt showing the Robinson, then PSA has legal means to go after the submitter.
4. PSA needs to go after these types of submitters legally a few times to show they are not screwing around.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by calmar

You said it brother. Without "wokeness" and its equivalents over the last 200 years this country could still enjoy forced child labor, slavery, rape rarely prosecuted, drunk driving rarely prosecuted, domestic violence rarely prosecuted, gayness being illegal and a mental illness, polluted air and water taking 10 years off life expectancy, voting only for wealthy white landowners with testicles, veterans and old people told to go suck it and die with little assistance, no weekends off, I mean that crap's ruined everything.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by calmar

You said it brother. Without "wokeness" and its equivalents over the last 200 years this country could still enjoy forced child labor, slavery, rape rarely prosecuted, drunk driving rarely prosecuted, domestic violence rarely prosecuted, gayness being illegal and a mental illness, polluted air and water taking 10 years off life expectancy, voting only for wealthy white landowners with testicles, veterans and old people told to go suck it and die with little assistance, no weekends off, I mean that crap's ruined everything.

LOLOLOLOLOL. There is a gigormous difference between these and countless other progressive achievements of American democracy over the past 200 years and so-called "woke" 19 year olds running around American college campuses yelling "we are Hamas!" I'm sorry, but your examples of wokeness are not remotely what our culture now describes as woke.

EDIT: That is to say, there are no equivalents to what we have come to call "wokeness," so please don't conflate it with basic American progress. Wokeness is extreme left/liberal ideology, that, very much like extreme right/conservative ideology, has gone far too far. Also, my original comment was sarcasm. Also also, though obviously related, there is a difference between cancel culture (the canceling of Kurt's Card Care) and wokeness.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by larry25

LOLOLOLOLOL. There is a gigormous difference between these and countless other progressive achievements of American democracy over the past 200 years and so-called "woke" 19 year olds running around American college campuses yelling "we are Hamas!" I'm sorry, but your examples of wokeness are not remotely what our culture now describes as woke.

EDIT: That is to say, there are no equivalents to what we have come to call "wokeness," so please don't conflate it with basic American progress. Wokeness is extreme left/liberal ideology, that, very much like extreme right/conservative ideology, has gone far too far. Also, my original comment was sarcasm. Also also, though obviously related, there is a difference between cancel culture (the canceling of Kurt's Card Care) and wokeness.

Got it. We have successfully logged your Trump vote. The world is saved again. Can we go back to talking about altering cards?

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[jplarson]

Secret Kurt employees trying to sink a thread to cover up bad press. Open your eyes sheeple and clean the Card Care out of your ears!

[larry25]

OMG, seriously? If you think I'm a Trumper because of this, I'm afraid. For you, for me, for all of us.

Moreover, you're making moronic comments like this:

"Yeah we're not woke, youre just stupid if you think you're some kind of innovator."

And you want to go back to talking about altering cards? Bring it on then, buddy.

[larry25]

NEWSFLASH: To return to the card conversation, if the card measures, and PROFESSIONALS can't tell that something has been done to it, NO ONE CARES. (Save maybe like 5 or 6 dudes on Blowout forums and maybe one or two original PSA graders.)

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by larry25

NEWSFLASH: To return to the card conversation, if the card measures, and PROFESSIONALS can't tell that something has been done to it, NO ONE CARES. (Save maybe like 5 or 6 dudes on Blowout forums and maybe one or two original PSA graders.)

Who are the "professionals?" Minimum wage workers at PSA?

Way more than 5/6 people here care. The majority vintage collecting community doesn't like what Kurt and his card doctor friends are doing. This is pure greed and not about card "restoration." It is about increasing a grade to make more money without listening to the concerns of people that collect these cards.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by larry25

NEWSFLASH: To return to the card conversation, if the card measures, and PROFESSIONALS can't tell that something has been done to it, NO ONE CARES. (Save maybe like 5 or 6 dudes on Blowout forums and maybe one or two original PSA graders.)

Well, the more Kurt brags about what he's doing , and calling out PSA, the more all of his work becomes decertified and worthless. Congrats I guess?

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[larry25]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Well, the more Kurt brags about what he's doing , and calling out PSA, the more all of his work becomes decertified and worthless. Congrats I guess?

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Nah, he'll just go underground eventually, like the 100s if not 1,000s of other card doctors who still do their thing and account for most of the submissions to PSA and SGC, not to mention the legions of copycats spawned by threads like this and all the detective work here on Blowout. Reminds me of that story about the Japanese fighters found on remote islands in the Pacific YEARS after WWII had ended, who were convinced the war was still being fought.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by larry25

Nah, he'll just go underground eventually, like the 100s if not 1,000s of other card doctors who still do their thing and account for most of the submissions to PSA and SGC, not to mention the legions of copycats spawned by threads like this and all the detective work here on Blowout. Reminds me of that story about the Japanese fighters found on remote islands in the Pacific YEARS after WWII had ended, who were convinced the war was still being fought.

Will he though? I don't recall the dozens of doctors outed ever being on you tube...

He's John Gotti and the rest of the mafia is telling him to STFU.

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[larry25]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Who are the "professionals?" Minimum wage workers at PSA?

Way more than 5/6 people here care. The majority vintage collecting community doesn't like what Kurt and his card doctor friends are doing. This is pure greed and not about card "restoration." It is about increasing a grade to make more money without listening to the concerns of people that collect these cards.

Very high and mighty and dare I say "woke" thinking, this persistent and senseless Blowout distinction between true collectors and investors. Only here on Blowout can we argue about the motivations of people who spend big chunks of their lives and their bank accounts to horde little square pictures of men... and then judge them about it. Thou. Shall. Not! But chive on, bois.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by majestik101

subscribed

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by larry25

Very high and mighty and dare I say "woke" thinking, this persistent and senseless Blowout distinction between true collectors and investors. Only here on Blowout can we argue about the motivations of people who spend big chunks of their lives and their bank accounts to horde little square pictures of men... and then judge them about it. Thou. Shall. Not! But chive on, bois.

Well as a collector I just want my cards to not be "restored" with Kurt's Card Juice and his cult followers. Many people think the same way. Are we allowed to have opinions? I guess you are just smarter than everyone else on here and we should bow to your insight and correctness.

The reason a lot of us are fighting back is because we don't want this to become acceptable in our hobby. Plain and simple. Yes, card doctors will always exist. However, if it is accepted, it will just continue to become worse and worse.

The majority of cards I collect are not high dollar and most card doctors wouldn't waste their time. However, if this becomes normal, these cards that people can make a few dollars on will be altered.

Thank you for letting me know I am "woke." Guess I would rather identify with that than be on your team of correctness.

[larry25]

Never claimed I was smarter than thou, maybe just less judgey and not as woke. So, by your reasoning, all this fighting back and negativity and shade is to protect the lower-end stuff you collect? Okay, like I said, chive on, but the point of my other argument... you are conveniently disregarding the reality, which is that the war has already been lost. Doctors have been doing their thing for DECADES, and the term for them used to be DEALERS because it was so widespread and accepted, let alone the legions of them active now. Such a significant portion of the BEST stuff out there has already been worked over, it hardly seems fair or just or even reasonable that new entrants to the hobby, new investors, new collectors--whatever you want to call them--should abide by standards that immediately put them at a disadvantage. They should be entitled to every advantage they can dream or conceive. Ironically, it's kind of like PEDs in baseball. EVERYONE knew it was going on, and very few who played or managed the game really cared. Then some righteous people get involved and make it a political thing and ruin the game for a few years. And guess what? It's STILL going on. And still no one cares enough to put measures into place to really stop it.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by larry25

Never claimed I was smarter than thou, maybe just less judgey and not as woke. So, by your reasoning, all this fighting back and negativity and shade is to protect the lower-end stuff you collect? Okay, like I said, chive on, but the point of my other argument... you are conveniently disregarding the reality, which is that the war has already been lost. Doctors have been doing their thing for DECADES, and the term for them used to be DEALERS because it was so widespread and accepted, let alone the legions of them active now. Such a significant portion of the BEST stuff out there has already been worked over, it hardly seems fair or just or even reasonable that new entrants to the hobby, new investors, new collectors--whatever you want to call them--should abide by standards that immediately put them at a disadvantage. They should be entitled to every advantage they can dream or conceive. Ironically, it's kind of like PEDs in baseball. EVERYONE knew it was going on, and very few who played or managed the game really cared. Then some righteous people get involved and make it a political thing and ruin the game for a few years. And guess what? It's STILL going on. And still no one cares enough to put measures into place to really stop it.

You are less judgmental? Wow! I just peed my pants. Thanks for the humor!

[discodanman45]

Rattle did a great job reviewing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGxFA8qcuE

Larry would say the "R" on Rattle's hat stands for "Righteous." So if you are not woke, maybe pass on watching the video.