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[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

The seller doesn’t happen to be this guy, right?

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1552292

No not him haha. Actually the seller has 100% glowing feedback, it’s strange.

Am I correct slabbed cards shouldn’t go ESE? Apparently PSA slabs might just be thin and light enough (barely under 3 oz) to technically go, but then again it’s totally rigid, not sure if that matters.

Maybe I’m just making something out of nothing. The situation probably doesn’t come up too much since the cost of grading alone is usually >$20, the theshold, but this was a cheap slab <$15.

[tdbaseballcards]

I send as much as possible through ESE, but never graded cards. Cracked case coming.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I bought a psa slabbed card <$20 and the tracking uploaded is eBay standard envelope. How normal is that? Anyone have that happen?

I did find a help page that said graded cards are not supported. Who knows what I’m going to receive, or how much postage due it’ll be.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

No not him haha. Actually the seller has 100% glowing feedback, it’s strange.

Am I correct slabbed cards shouldn’t go ESE? Apparently PSA slabs might just be thin and light enough (barely under 3 oz) to technically go, but then again it’s totally rigid, not sure if that matters.

Maybe I’m just making something out of nothing. The situation probably doesn’t come up too much since the cost of grading alone is usually >$20, the theshold, but this was a cheap slab <$15.

I have received one graded card via ESE. It came in a bubble mailer and made it ok.

Graded cards should not be sent ESE. There is no ambiguity to the rigid question and they are too thick. It came in a bubble mailer, which is also a no-no for ESE.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

I have received one graded card via ESE. It came in a bubble mailer and made it ok.

Graded cards should not be sent ESE. There is no ambiguity to the rigid question and they are too thick. It came in a bubble mailer, which is also a no-no for ESE.

Your example of it getting there safely gives me hope. Of course it’s gotta be rare to get a bubble mailer with ESE. Heck I’ll take that at this point with a postage due, I just want the item. I have no idea what will show up but we’ll see lol.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Your example of it getting there safely gives me hope. Of course it’s gotta be rare to get a bubble mailer with ESE. Heck I’ll take that at this point with a postage due, I just want the item. I have no idea what will show up but we’ll see lol.

Anecdotal, but I've probably had more ESEs come to me in bubble mailers in the past month or two than since the ESE program started; surprisingly with no postage due.

[Tiger23]

I have not received a graded card, but have received 2-3 bubble mailers a year with ESE. No postage due on my end either. One had a card in a one touch even.

[base set]

delete

[AwesomeBrian]

Finally got one of those 3-slotted ebay envelopes. I kinda liked it but it had Postage Due with it with 3-4 cards in each slot

[JeffG1954]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Finally got one of those 3-slotted ebay envelopes. I kinda liked it but it had Postage Due with it with 3-4 cards in each slot

What rate did the seller use? Did it receive tracking all the way, spotty tracking, or no tracking at all?

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by JeffG1954

What rate did the seller use? Did it receive tracking all the way, spotty tracking, or no tracking at all?

Free shipping and I threw out the envelope already but I believe it was $1.12. Tracking has 2 scans in Birmingham, AL and 3 in Cleveland before 'Delivered.

[AwesomeBrian]

Todays mail day is interesting...

Got 4 ESEs in regular 6 3/4 envelopes. 2 mailed at .64 and 2 mailed at .88. 1 of each is Postage Due. I asked my clerk what the difference in the ones were that were flagged vs the ones that weren't. The 64 cent ones are identical in size, weight and how rigid it is. The 88 cent that was flagged is .7 ounces, the unflagged was .8. I'm trying to figure out some rhyme or reason to this. She felt all 4 and couldn't find a difference. They were not flagged there, so I'm thinking it was prior to Cleveland even. Flagged ones came from New York and Oregon. 2 that got through were Georgia and Massachusetts.

Anyone else know of a pattern with origin areas or specific sorting centers were this is happening?



Edit: Opened the 88 cent envelopes. Both had toploaders, one wrapped in full sheet of paper was Postage Due. Other wrapped in a thicker Index Card

64 cents envelopes also both toploaders. The Postage Due was 'wrapped' in cut up paper, other was protected with an Index Card

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Your example of it getting there safely gives me hope. Of course it’s gotta be rare to get a bubble mailer with ESE. Heck I’ll take that at this point with a postage due, I just want the item. I have no idea what will show up but we’ll see lol.

Welp, the update on this is still waiting.

There is zero update on the tracking for this ESE. All it says is “Tracking Number Provided” way back on 5/6, and nothing after that. Does anyone know how normal that is? I thought these almost always get an origin processing update. Seller is saying they are certain they dropped it off back then, but I’m starting to wonder if this will ever show. Also wondering if it could be something to do with sending a graded card ESE (wouldn’t it still come to me, just affixed with a postage due?)

[cjmccreary]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Welp, the update on this is still waiting.

There is zero update on the tracking for this ESE. All it says is “Tracking Number Provided” way back on 5/6, and nothing after that. Does anyone know how normal that is? I thought these almost always get an origin processing update. Seller is saying they are certain they dropped it off back then, but I’m starting to wonder if this will ever show. Also wondering if it could be something to do with sending a graded card ESE (wouldn’t it still come to me, just affixed with a postage due?)

Eight days without a tracking update isn't out of the ordinary in my experience. I would give it another week or so before filing a claim. And yes, I suppose it could be the fact that it's a slab with ESE. I've sent hundreds of ESE orders but never a graded card because 1) ESE doesn't provide enough protection and 2) I would think the thickness would disqualify it from being eligible for ESE.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Welp, the update on this is still waiting.

There is zero update on the tracking for this ESE. All it says is “Tracking Number Provided” way back on 5/6, and nothing after that. Does anyone know how normal that is? I thought these almost always get an origin processing update. Seller is saying they are certain they dropped it off back then, but I’m starting to wonder if this will ever show. Also wondering if it could be something to do with sending a graded card ESE (wouldn’t it still come to me, just affixed with a postage due?)

It happens. If it was a graded card then it's very possible it was destroyed in shipping or even RTS. Tge ese only get scanned when they actually go through a processing machine. If it never enters one it will never be scanned. This is why ebay does not require acceptance scans on yhese because there is not a guarantee they will ever get scanned. If the seller marks them non machinable if the usps handles it properly it will never be scanned

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by cjmccreary

Eight days without a tracking update isn't out of the ordinary in my experience. I would give it another week or so before filing a claim. And yes, I suppose it could be the fact that it's a slab with ESE. I've sent hundreds of ESE orders but never a graded card because 1) ESE doesn't provide enough protection and 2) I would think the thickness would disqualify it from being eligible for ESE.

Ebays estimated delivery date is today, so theoretically I could start a claim tomorrow, but I plan on waiting it out more. The lack of any tracking info is not a good sign though. I was wondering if anyone as a buyer had an ESE just show up with zero tracking updates (like would it be possible if it just showed up here today or tomorrow with nothing prior to that).

As for graded being too thick, I’m not fluent in the requirements of ESE since I don’t use it as a seller, but maybe PSA slabs could *just* make it since they are so thin? It’s not like a thick BGS slab. If I’m correct it’s also just below 3 ounces. The non-flexibility might be an issue though.

Originally Posted by shrevecity

It happens. If it was a graded card then it's very possible it was destroyed in shipping or even RTS. Tge ese only get scanned when they actually go through a processing machine. If it never enters one it will never be scanned. This is why ebay does not require acceptance scans on yhese because there is not a guarantee they will ever get scanned. If the seller marks them non machinable if the usps handles it properly it will never be scanned

This is what I heard before about eBay not requiring acceptance scans. Just seems strange to me- what (besides being an honest and decent person) would stop a seller from just generating the tracking #, not even sending it, then winning whatever case or collecting insurance. That part I don’t get. Like if this seller never even sent it (I actually believe he did, but heck how would I ever know, it just says tracking number provided), he’d then be able to keep the money- that doesn’t seem right.

[JeffG1954]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Ebays estimated delivery date is today, so theoretically I could start a claim tomorrow, but I plan on waiting it out more. The lack of any tracking info is not a good sign though. I was wondering if anyone as a buyer had an ESE just show up with zero tracking updates (like would it be possible if it just showed up here today or tomorrow with nothing prior to that).

I can't speak as a buyer, but I have had many ESE type envelopes never get a scan but I receive positive feedback....so I know it can happen.

[rynobot]

A doubt a slab going ESE would ever be scanned. Most of the time when there is postage due the items show up late. They seem to go a different route then mail that is sorted by machine.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Oftentimes the $0.88 or $1.12 (2 oz/3 oz) rates never get scanned as they're technically non-machinable.

As for the point of sellers gaming the system since acceptance scans are never required.
1) I have to imagine eBay tracks the number of cases sellers open vs. the number of sales they make via ESE.
2) PIP insurance doesn't pay out the cost of shipping, so a seller would have to eat the shipping cost each time.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Ebays estimated delivery date is today, so theoretically I could start a claim tomorrow, but I plan on waiting it out more. The lack of any tracking info is not a good sign though. I was wondering if anyone as a buyer had an ESE just show up with zero tracking updates (like would it be possible if it just showed up here today or tomorrow with nothing prior to that).

As for graded being too thick, I’m not fluent in the requirements of ESE since I don’t use it as a seller, but maybe PSA slabs could *just* make it since they are so thin? It’s not like a thick BGS slab. If I’m correct it’s also just below 3 ounces. The non-flexibility might be an issue though.



This is what I heard before about eBay not requiring acceptance scans. Just seems strange to me- what (besides being an honest and decent person) would stop a seller from just generating the tracking #, not even sending it, then winning whatever case or collecting insurance. That part I don’t get. Like if this seller never even sent it (I actually believe he did, but heck how would I ever know, it just says tracking number provided), he’d then be able to keep the money- that doesn’t seem right.

I can go through and see many I have feedback from that have no tracking updates at all. In fact just got a positive on a ground advantage that still shows label created so it happens in all forms.

The slab would be right at the cusp I believe it would be too thick,but it is certainly too rigid that overrides the thickness

For the part about insurance there is nothing to prove either way but ebay and the insurance carrier likely a Pitney Bowes subsidiary have calculated the risks and have figured its still worth it. It's like sellers who shipped PWE before the ese it was a calculated risk. For me I was making 1000 to 2000 for every item I had to refund so losing a few dollars here or there was nothing. It's still a drop in the bucket for me but that is now on ebay. No telling the ratio they are seeing. I bet it's one in every several thousand across the board given it seems many sellers are clueless about the coverage or just don't use it. I am sure if tge number gets out of hand or they detect sellers abusing it they will take actions. Just like they have been known to kick buyers from tge Buyer Protection Plan.

On flip side how does Ebay and sellers know when the buyer is lying or not? This is why the pip will pay out even when tracking shows delivered

[DynaEtch]

This always seems to happen, but I post about something then it gets resolved right away.

The graded psa card in ESE came today. Tracking still has nothing at all on it and just says ‘tracking number provided’. I wouldn’t be surprised if that never updates, but it doesn’t matter now. It is the correct tracking number too, I matched it to the one on the envelope.

Amazingly the slab got to me in perfect condition. It was in a PWE. Slab itself inside was encased in a very thin cardboard sandwich. The overall thickness of the pwe was surprisingly not much, about the width of a PSA slab. The electronic postage paid was $0.64 on the upper right. There were also two 2 cent stamps affixed to the front. Not sure what that breakdown means since I don’t do ESEs. But this is proof that a graded psa card can make it through ESE, and also that they can be delivered with nothing at all on tracking, which others have said above. Not that I would suggest sending them ESE.

[shrevecity]

Anything can slip through. Sounds like this is one. Likely got handled as non machinable even though no upcharge was added. I say ypu got lucky

[nam812]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

This always seems to happen, but I post about something then it gets resolved right away.

The graded psa card in ESE came today. Tracking still has nothing at all on it and just says ‘tracking number provided’. I wouldn’t be surprised if that never updates, but it doesn’t matter now. It is the correct tracking number too, I matched it to the one on the envelope.

Amazingly the slab got to me in perfect condition. It was in a PWE. Slab itself inside was encased in a very thin cardboard sandwich. The overall thickness of the pwe was surprisingly not much, about the width of a PSA slab. The electronic postage paid was $0.64 on the upper right. There were also two 2 cent stamps affixed to the front. Not sure what that breakdown means since I don’t do ESEs. But this is proof that a graded psa card can make it through ESE, and also that they can be delivered with nothing at all on tracking, which others have said above. Not that I would suggest sending them ESE.

You got lucky for sure. As a seller, if I would have shipped it that way there would have been two unmarked suburbans in my driveway, and a helicopter hovering over my house.

[rynobot]

If only this was a safe method to ship slabs, then we could sell slabs for $5 free shipping

[JeffG1954]

Maybe the seller received a postage upcharge fee directly from ebay?

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by JeffG1954

Maybe the seller received a postage upcharge fee directly from ebay?

Ese do not get upcharged. The USPS does not have that ability since they don't ho through their system. Tgey are either postage due or RTS. Or not delivered..