Anthony Edwards' 2020 Prizm Silver

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Yep. You can stand out through exciting and spectacular play, and Ant has some of that in him. But even those guys don't have top tier pricing... which brings me to the next question:

-Would someone be happy if Ant Edwards turned out to be this generation's Vince Carter, and if he did

-Would they be happy paying current Ant prices if they knew that's how he would turnout?

I think that makes sense but we know that's not how people prospect.

If Antman chances are:

- 1% MJ
- 4% Kobe
- 20% Wade
- 25% Vince
- 50% Donovan Mitchell (or lower)

He's going to sell between Wade and Kobe (looking at prices, that's where he seems to be now).

It goes for all players. It's just the hobby nature, if he ends up with a career like Vince that means he overachieved...and people will still lose a lot of money.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Why do you think basketball collectors skew so heavily toward a very few greats and not toward sets or team players?

Have you ever seen the football market?

There's an even bigger gap between Brady and the next most collected retired QB (Montana or Manning), then there vs MJ and guys like Kobe, Magic, Bird, etc.

It's why I blows my mind that folks would pay the big money that's being paid for any other QBs who have been in the league for more than a year and aren't named Patrick Mahomes.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I think that makes sense but we know that's not how people prospect.

If Antman chances are:

- 1% MJ
- 4% Kobe
- 20% Wade
- 25% Vince
- 50% Donovan Mitchell (or lower)

He's going to sell between Wade and Kobe (looking at prices, that's where he seems to be now).

It goes for all players. It's just the hobby nature, if he ends up with a career like Vince that means he overachieved...and people will still lose a lot of money.

The way I see it, he's one of the 3 top guys chasing after the hobby crown after LeBron/Curry retire.

It's not fair, but Jokic just isn't going to carry the hobby, similar to the way Hakeem didn't. So you have to hope that:

A. He's not outdone by Luka or Wemby
B. Nobody else new pops up
C. He's able to perform well enough himself to get there

It's possible, but a lot of things need to go right to wind up in Kobe-land.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I think that makes sense but we know that's not how people prospect.

If Antman chances are:

- 1% MJ
- 4% Kobe
- 20% Wade
- 25% Vince
- 50% Donovan Mitchell (or lower)

He's going to sell between Wade and Kobe (looking at prices, that's where he seems to be now).

It goes for all players. It's just the hobby nature, if he ends up with a career like Vince that means he overachieved...and people will still lose a lot of money.

between Wade and Kobe sounds KD-ish. hmm

[fabiani12333]

Oh, wow -- Prizm Silver PSA 10's have quickly dropped to $1k. A Korean listing even finished today at $921.11, with a $9.99 shipping cost.

I'm actually surprised by this -- I thought it would be more of a gradual decline.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Oh, wow -- Prizm Silver PSA 10's have quickly dropped to $1k. A Korean listing even finished today at $921.11, with a $9.99 shipping cost.

I'm actually surprised by this -- I thought it would be more of a gradual decline.

Shouldn't be a surprise. It will level back to 600~ once they are out. Most 'sales' don't pay for these examples.

[Nomad]

There was a market movers video where Teapot showed a $1,600 A. Edwards price point on graphs throughout, before finally explaining that it was based on a single eBay data point, $1k above the last sale.

I was trying to figure out why he would reference that price throughout, in a way that seemed misleading. I think it's because 99 percent of viewers don't watch entire 26 minute YouTube clips.

Just waiting for the day that Edwards levels out to prime Nesmith, without my guy ever having gotten a bump.

[yiguiri2002]

Even at 1K, it's an insane price for this card. Specially at the hit rate for PSA 10s.

[rifleman69]

back to $350 after tonight

[Bcr]

We are now at a race to the bottom. Rip to those that couldn't resist the FOMO and grats to those that sold.

[Nomad]

Seems like the hobby is a little more responsible these days and caught the pump in the nib. Who needs burnt and irate customers when cards are lucrative without immediate 4x gains?

[rynobot]

I did my part

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Nomad

There was a market movers video where Teapot showed a $1,600 A. Edwards price point on graphs throughout, before finally explaining that it was based on a single eBay data point, $1k above the last sale.

I was trying to figure out why he would reference that price throughout, in a way that seemed misleading. I think it's because 99 percent of viewers don't watch entire 26 minute YouTube clips.

Just waiting for the day that Edwards levels out to prime Nesmith, without my guy ever having gotten a bump.

Yikes -- infomercials typically have disclaimers at the beginning of their videos.

[PSA2Pac]

I subbed a signed 2020 Prizm silver Antman over a month ago at the $55 ($499 max value) level and today I got an email that it was bumped up to the next $99 level due to the now increased value lol

So they looked at his value for that short window of the first two wins against the Nuggets, the absolute worst/most inflated time period possible. If they lose tonight they’ll have lost 4 straight and prices will settle again el oh el

[daeve]

sounds like a great psa customer experience!

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by daeve

sounds like a great psa customer experience!

Lol nothing I could do either

Wish the value would sustain but it’s already starting to fall

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

I subbed a signed 2020 Prizm silver Antman over a month ago at the $55 ($499 max value) level and today I got an email that it was bumped up to the next $99 level due to the now increased value lol

So they looked at his value for that short window of the first two wins against the Nuggets, the absolute worst/most inflated time period possible. If they lose tonight they’ll have lost 4 straight and prices will settle again el oh el

PSA is like owned or operated by the same conglomerate that runs everything else industry. No wonder.

It's in the interest of collectors to choose a grading company that does not up-charge (or if they do, transparently states "we got Bob Bucket to grade the '59 Cepeda, he is an expert on Topps sets of that era, and his services cost $1,000 an hour."

I remember when BGS started taking out ads in Tuff Stuff. They were literally appendages on a thriving hobby with great card choices among multiple companies. Pretty soon Fanatics will announce PSA as the only company that can authentically grade its cards.

I think in retrospect that collecting only Nesmith was a way of steelmanning myself against having to think about these things, based on what I saw at Mint Collective I.
I mean, you want the GOAT collection of a scrub or not?

Not unrelated: You want to give a glance at the mockup of the silver Kobe that I traveled 5,000 miles during COVID and spent $800 in table fees, gas, and printing, to present? Hoping to fund a basketball court and organic garden in Cebu. (And I do thank the BO community for taking time to confirm that the supposed silvers on the Bay were gold. I assume if another one is found in the wild a notation here will appear.)

I was reminded of the silver because as I remember the Bob Bucket of the CSG staff took the time to look at and grade it an authentic 9. Bonus: in the collectable first-gen green label.

I wonder if the Geoffs of the hobby are independent enough to value a card like that? This seems to be the state of the high end hobby. Meanwhile I'll be jeffing. Not effin depressing. Remembering that it only takes one big sale to be a market influencer.

[mbrahv1984]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

I subbed a signed 2020 Prizm silver Antman over a month ago at the $55 ($499 max value) level and today I got an email that it was bumped up to the next $99 level due to the now increased value lol

So they looked at his value for that short window of the first two wins against the Nuggets, the absolute worst/most inflated time period possible. If they lose tonight they’ll have lost 4 straight and prices will settle again el oh el

That...doesn't seem ethical.. or legal? Seems very shady to be able to some bull****like that. One of the reasons I simply refuse to grade my own cards.

[dunkindutchmen]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

I subbed a signed 2020 Prizm silver Antman over a month ago at the $55 ($499 max value) level and today I got an email that it was bumped up to the next $99 level due to the now increased value lol

So they looked at his value for that short window of the first two wins against the Nuggets, the absolute worst/most inflated time period possible. If they lose tonight they’ll have lost 4 straight and prices will settle again el oh el

If they upcharged you for a PSA 10, I don't see the problem. In terms of raw, that card has never been over $499 at any point this year and that should be easy to prove.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by mbrahv1984

That...doesn't seem ethical.. or legal? Seems very shady to be able to some bull****like that. One of the reasons I simply refuse to grade my own cards.

Well upcharging has always been a thing, and they upcharge based on the “current” value. Just so happens when they went to check the value it was in that week stretch where his prizm silvers shot up

Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

If they upcharged you for a PSA 10, I don't see the problem. In terms of raw, that card has never been over $499 at any point this year and that should be easy to prove.

It was a dual service sub - I didn’t get the card graded, just the auto, of which it received a 10. The up charge was in regards to signed Prizm silvers, of which they were mostly below $500, but shot up over $500 during the 2 game win streak to start the series

I didn’t say it was unwarranted, just that the timing was a bit of bad luck since the value only very recently jumped up over $500

It is what it is though,just glad to get the card moving. It was sitting in assembly well before the series even started

[dunkindutchmen]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

Well upcharging has always been a thing, and they upcharge based on the “current” value. Just so happens when they went to check the value it was in that week stretch where his prizm silvers shot up



It was a dual service sub - I didn’t get the card graded, just the auto, of which it received a 10. The up charge was in regards to signed Prizm silvers, of which they were mostly below $500, but shot up over $500 during the 2 game win streak to start the series

I didn’t say it was unwarranted, just that the timing was a bit of bad luck since the value only very recently jumped up over $500

It is what it is though,just glad to get the card moving. It was sitting in assembly well before the series even started

my bad, I didn't see that it was auto'd.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

my bad, I didn't see that it was auto'd.

Nah you’re good brotha, no worries

[fabiani12333]

The PSA 10s have crept back up to around $1,200 with the game 6 win. I'm curious to see what a game 7 win would do -- would prices return to previous highs?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The PSA 10s have crept back up to around $1,200 with the game 6 win. I'm curious to see what a game 7 win would do -- would prices return to previous highs?

Why how many do you have?

These sales seem like they're going unpaid anyway.

Far too much supply over demand.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Why how many do you have?

These sales seem like they're going unpaid anyway.

Far too much supply over demand.

Yes -- a lot hitting the market at the same time. What would you say the paid-to-unpaid ratio has been? Prices have seemed artificial via shill bidding.