Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

For those passing, there's multiple buyers offering $50 on top of the shipped price.

Might as well move the box to reduce your overall Montgomery 582 Club Membership cost.

I bought two boxes of RotJ Sapphire on ebay shortly after release. One of the boxes had no parallels. Luckily the seller believed my explanation and accepted a refund on that box.

If there's missing autos or parallels in this product, what a headache.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Pretty sad that this price gouging will continue all because people need to make $50 on a box.

Could've been cheaper for you if you renewed your 582 membership, the last few years have been fantastic for the rest of us (582 members)!

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by Tonic3

It’s not the person making the $50/box that’s the problem. It’s that he has a buyer who doesn’t care about a slightly higher price because they can pawn off the cost on degenerates that are bad at both math and value. Without “breakers” and their lemmings this whole thing falls apart. If the buyer is the person opening the box a lot fewer would take the risk.

But then I can't get my dopamine rush when the breaker says my screen name!

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Agreed. ~$475 outlaid is too much for me to try to find and negotiate with a buyer, eat some fees, package and ship, and hopefully make $30, all for an asset that has significantly less underlying value, seems like a lot of trouble.

It's too much for you to make a sales post (takes 15 seconds) and confirm mailing address and payment details (5 mins)?

It's incredibly easy, you don't even have to prepare/ship out the package.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by Tonic3

It’s not the person making the $50/box that’s the problem. It’s that he has a buyer who doesn’t care about a slightly higher price because they can pawn off the cost on degenerates that are bad at both math and value. Without “breakers” and their lemmings this whole thing falls apart. If the buyer is the person opening the box a lot fewer would take the risk.

This. The prices are absurd for this and will be so for the foreseeable future until folks stop lining up to buy random team spots for $20-$30 bucks. They seem to be an easy sale at that price so I expect more of the same. It's definitely not the guys ripping personal boxes that are the reasons for the high price. Maybe some of the wax hoarders can share the blame, but I think the pricing here is all breakers.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I bought two boxes of RotJ Sapphire on ebay shortly after release. One of the boxes had no parallels. Luckily the seller believed my explanation and accepted a refund on that box.

If there's missing autos or parallels in this product, what a headache.

Why would the responsibility for refund be on the eBay seller?

[dbodbodbo]

Originally Posted by Tonic3

It’s not the person making the $50/box that’s the problem. It’s that he has a buyer who doesn’t care about a slightly higher price because they can pawn off the cost on degenerates that are bad at both math and value. Without “breakers” and their lemmings this whole thing falls apart. If the buyer is the person opening the box a lot fewer would take the risk.

This. The reason this is so pricey is the breakers, not the $50 flippers. If this was $100 less I would consider ripping (150 less I would rip for sure). At this point buying and holding to flip is the move or not buying at all.

[theredmenace]

Any info on the splash page? Preliminary odds analysis would suggest minimum 4 non-auto hits/box if there's 10.8k boxes total. Breakers will fiend for this stuff if true.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

But then I can't get my dopamine rush when the breaker says my screen name!

That's the magic that keeps them in business. Highly effective.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Tonic3

It’s not the person making the $50/box that’s the problem. It’s that he has a buyer who doesn’t care about a slightly higher price because they can pawn off the cost on degenerates that are bad at both math and value. Without “breakers” and their lemmings this whole thing falls apart. If the buyer is the person opening the box a lot fewer would take the risk.

Haha true.

The real "problem" is those who buy into breaks. Without them, there's no breakers. Without breakers, there's reduced margins for flippers. With reduced margins for flippers, there's likely to be less flippers. With less flippers, box prices are likely to be less.

[slogue2]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Why would the responsibility for refund be on the eBay seller?

Yeah that's absolutely absurd.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Why would the responsibility for refund be on the eBay seller?

Because item not as described?

I saved all the packaging and offered to send the return on my dime, they elected to have me return everything from the one box and give me a refund on that box.

Again, I count my lucky stars that it happened that way and I'm just saying, what a headache.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by slogue2

Yeah that's absolutely absurd.

So you're saying if you bought a sealed box on ebay and the only hits in the product were not in the box you would just eat it and say "walp, them's the breaks".

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Because item not as described?

I saved all the packaging and offered to send the return on my dime, they elected to have me return everything from the one box and give me a refund on that box.

Again, I count my lucky stars that it happened that way and I'm just saying, what a headache.

You received the item exactly as described, assuming it was sealed.

Your issue would be with Topps, NOT the eBay seller.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I bought two boxes of RotJ Sapphire on ebay shortly after release. One of the boxes had no parallels. Luckily the seller believed my explanation and accepted a refund on that box.

If there's missing autos or parallels in this product, what a headache.

Fortunately, I've never dealt with such a scenario and I've sold hundreds of boxes/cases.

With that said, the possibility is always there.

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of buyers know that I'm not responsible for the "contents" of the box though. But, there's always that one buyer.

I should also mention that most of my deals are in cash (in-person) or F/F and I generally flip to retailers (big 3) or breakers (accumulating many of such boxes) so my "risk" of dealing with such headaches is low too.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

So you're saying if you bought a sealed box on ebay and the only hits in the product were not in the box you would just eat it and say "walp, them's the breaks".

No, you submit a missing hit claim to Topps.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Fortunately, I've never dealt with such a scenario and I've sold hundreds of boxes/cases.

With that said, the possibility is always there.

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of buyers know that I'm not responsible for the "contents" of the box though. But, there's always that one buyer.

I should also mention that most of my deals are in cash (in-person) or F/F and I generally flip to retailers (big 3) or breakers (accumulating many of such boxes) so my "risk" of dealing with such headaches is low too.

Gotta love when people tell on themselves.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

No, you submit a missing hit claim to Topps.

Cool story. You gotta link to this claim? Or are you talking about the link in your order history on topps.com which is what I was trying to do through the seller/original buyer?

[davidantx]

LOL the price!!

[stormshadow815]

Originally Posted by slogue2

Yeah that's absolutely absurd.

Exactly why I refuse to sell any sealed wax on eBay, so many scumbags trying to find a loophole.

[Bcr]

Pricing is so absurd it's getting to the point where we need lite versions of Sapphire.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of buyers know that I'm not responsible for the "contents" of the box though. But, there's always that one buyer.

That's me, I'm that one shady buyer that always pops up and makes trouble and files INADs, you can check my ebay feedback to see that.

Good luck with all your future sales on Topps website exclusives, bud.

Really, it's my fault, this is my reward for trying to warn people about something that happened to me.

[cms11]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Because item not as described?

I saved all the packaging and offered to send the return on my dime, they elected to have me return everything from the one box and give me a refund on that box.

Again, I count my lucky stars that it happened that way and I'm just saying, what a headache.

You've got a lot of nerve. And then to post publicly what you did.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Tonic3

It’s not the person making the $50/box that’s the problem. It’s that he has a buyer who doesn’t care about a slightly higher price because they can pawn off the cost on degenerates that are bad at both math and value. Without “breakers” and their lemmings this whole thing falls apart. If the buyer is the person opening the box a lot fewer would take the risk.

They’re all responsible. If prices are going to properly adjust, everyone has to stop supporting the machine.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

That's me, I'm that one shady buyer that always pops up and makes trouble and files INADs, you can check my ebay feedback to see that.

Good luck with all your future sales on Topps website exclusives, bud.

Really, it's my fault, this is my reward for trying to warn people about something that happened to me.

Mr. Headache, it's you!