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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

still waiting for veer to show up

Might be a while, considering they released him back in April.

[jmarascojr]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Fizzled because it never happened??

Even for the biggest hater (not saying you are) that feels extremely unfair given everything we know.

Prior to Bray's passing, there were A LOT of people that felt his return had been a disaster...

I'm "pro Bray" and even I felt the MOUNTAIN DEW BLACKLIGHT MATCH was a stretch...

And then, instead of giving him what could have been an interesting feud with Brock Lesnar, they were gonna put him with Bobby Lashley at WM 39...

Again, I hope they do this right and it's entertaining, but I'm gonna set the bar low and hope for the best... No titles involved, just pure carnage...

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

Prior to Bray's passing, there were A LOT of people that felt his return had been a disaster...

I'm "pro Bray" and even I felt the MOUNTAIN DEW BLACKLIGHT MATCH was a stretch...

And then, instead of giving him what could have been an interesting feud with Brock Lesnar, they were gonna put him with Bobby Lashley at WM 39...

Again, I hope they do this right and it's entertaining, but I'm gonna set the bar low and hope for the best... No titles involved, just pure carnage...

Will also add in that they didn't need to completely start over with everything. Uncle Howdy had already been doing live spots. The Wyatt 6 characters had already made some appearances. I don't have any problem with the build up, but they could have started in some direction already. Guess we will find out on Monday who they start feuding with...hopefully.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

Prior to Bray's passing, there were A LOT of people that felt his return had been a disaster...

I'm "pro Bray" and even I felt the MOUNTAIN DEW BLACKLIGHT MATCH was a stretch...

And then, instead of giving him what could have been an interesting feud with Brock Lesnar, they were gonna put him with Bobby Lashley at WM 39...

Again, I hope they do this right and it's entertaining, but I'm gonna set the bar low and hope for the best... No titles involved, just pure carnage...

Totally understand what you're saying. I just think it's unfair to say it fizzled when it never started. The feud with Knight was weird since Knight wasn't really over at that point, and then the stuff with Bobby was like 1 week in? Nothing ever got off the ground really.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Totally understand what you're saying. I just think it's unfair to say it fizzled when it never started. The feud with Knight was weird since Knight wasn't really over at that point, and then the stuff with Bobby was like 1 week in? Nothing ever got off the ground really.

The fact that Knight wasn't over and the fact that that the whole storyline was based around promoting Mountain Dew is plenty of reason to say it fizzled.

On the flip side, that storyline is what kickstarted Knight's push.

[whitmm]

WWE posted that Ricochet is going to miss an undisclosed amount of time due to "upper body injuries." Whether he's truly injured or not, I'm going to assume this was done to write him off of TV for the remainder of his contract. And I'm going to assume they did it in response to the report that he was going to test free agency.

They should have waited a week to prevent the continuation issues. Yes, we know Andrade defeats him for the Speed title. However, that match isn't supposed to take place until Friday. So we now have a guy who got destroyed and is injured magically healthy to defend his title.

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

And then, instead of giving him what could have been an interesting feud with Brock Lesnar, they were gonna put him with Bobby Lashley at WM 39...

To be fair all reports at that time were that Brock had no interest in working with Bray and thats why Bobby won and was going into a feud with Bray.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Jericho

To be fair all reports at that time were that Brock had no interest in working with Bray and thats why Bobby won and was going into a feud with Bray.

Brock/Bray/Uncle Howdy would have been a terrible storyline. There's a reason they had to stick Paul Heyman with Brock. Could you imagine Brock doing promos for a supernatural/mind games storyline? Do you really think he'd being willing to buy in and play along like Cena did?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I think the Sami/Gable storyline ends with Gable winning the belt, claiming he did it all by himself, ditching the current AA, and teaming up with the Creed Brothers. That all leads to Sami/Otis/Tozawa vs Gable/CB match up with Otis pinning Gable.

I don't think you throw Bron into that storyline. I think they keep Bron in the KOTR storyline and it ends with a showdown between him and Gunther. Gunther isn't going anywhere near the belt for a while with the current DP/Drew/Punk storyline.

I'd agree with this.

I don't see Bron quite moving up that soon anyways. From all reports, WWE is looking to mega push him once Raw moves to Netflix. That doesn't happen until January. In the meantime, I think he'll just continue to squash and demolish undercard faces, which I'm fine with.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by thenightman

I'd agree with this.

I don't see Bron quite moving up that soon anyways. From all reports, WWE is looking to mega push him once Raw moves to Netflix. That doesn't happen until January. In the meantime, I think he'll just continue to squash and demolish undercard faces, which I'm fine with.

I just worry that he's getting the Goldberg treatment. And he deserves so much better than that.

With Ricochet apparently out of the picture, where do they go with Bron/Ilja? You can't just have Bron squash him every week and magically have Ilja beat him. But the KOTR angle does set up the Gunther/Ilja partnership I've wanted.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I just worry that he's getting the Goldberg treatment. And he deserves so much better than that.

With Ricochet apparently out of the picture, where do they go with Bron/Ilja? You can't just have Bron squash him every week and magically have Ilja beat him. But the KOTR angle does set up the Gunther/Ilja partnership I've wanted.

I actually think Ilja will beat Bron; probably at Summerslam. If we kept score of the feud it'd end up being 10-1 in favor of Bron, but Ilja will get the last victory, and in wrestling that's all that matters.

Ilja will continue to be the scrappy babyface who never gives up and gets rewarded for it in the end. Bron will continue to be a beast and move on to a bigger babyface.

I think if each man does his job and the feud hits, we could wind up seeing both men move up the ranks with Ilja battling Gable for the IC title and Bron feuding with Zayn. It seems like a proper ascension for both guys.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by thenightman

I actually think Ilja will beat Bron; probably at Summerslam. If we kept score of the feud it'd end up being 10-1 in favor of Bron, but Ilja will get the last victory, and in wrestling that's all that matters.

Ilja will continue to be the scrappy babyface who never gives up and gets rewarded for it in the end. Bron will continue to be a beast and move on to a bigger babyface.

I think if each man does his job and the feud hits, we could wind up seeing both men move up the ranks with Ilja battling Gable for the IC title and Bron feuding with Zayn. It seems like a proper ascension for both guys.

Where does Sami come into the storyline that Bron is on this rampage because Pierce didn't put him in the KOTR tourney? I don't think you can end that with just Ilja. You've got Jey and Sheamus as options. Kofi and Angelo Dawkins were both replacements, so easy targets. Dawkins is a super easy squash.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Where does Sami come into the storyline that Bron is on this rampage because Pierce didn't put him in the KOTR tourney? I don't think you can end that with just Ilja. You've got Jey and Sheamus as options. Kofi and Angelo Dawkins were both replacements, so easy targets. Dawkins is a super easy squash.

I was thinking more down the line, past Summerslam, when it comes to Bron v Zayn; maybe longer past. I think this story can easily be extended if Pierce doesn’t put Bron in the MiTB match. Bron’s feud with Ricochet and Ilja is a result of him not being in the KOTR. I don’t see it as Bron trying to destroy every participant in that tourney. By squashing Ricochet and destroying Ilja, he’s made his point and a feud has started.

Although, it would make perfectly good sense to have Bron go after Kofi if Kofi gets into the MiTB match and Bron doesn’t. That’s a good step up from Ilja.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by thenightman

I was thinking more down the line, past Summerslam, when it comes to Bron v Zayn; maybe longer past. I think this story can easily be extended if Pierce doesn’t put Bron in the MiTB match. Bron’s feud with Ricochet and Ilja is a result of him not being in the KOTR. I don’t see it as Bron trying to destroy every participant in that tourney. By squashing Ricochet and destroying Ilja, he’s made his point and a feud has started.

Although, it would make perfectly good sense to have Bron go after Kofi if Kofi gets into the MiTB match and Bron doesn’t. That’s a good step up from Ilja.

Kofi would be a good target, especially depending on how they want to go with the current feud with The Final Testament.

I think the storyline works best if Pierce keeps him out as punishment for his behavior. Plus, it continues to help build the idea that he is an unstoppable monster. I think if they put him into any type of rumble match, he's going to need to win it.

[Jaypers]

Is anyone thinking Xavier Woods joins Final Testament and breaks up New Day? I could easily see it, given how it's been a long time coming, and they just aren't as over anymore.

[kess]

If Brock comes back for any type of final run, putting Bron over should be the ultimate priority. Tell the story of Bron being smaller, but younger, faster, and more ferocious than the aging Lesnar. Brock got some good babyface reactions against Roman at Summerslam when he tipped the ring, so seeing him beaten down by Bron would cement him as the next monster heel.

..... and then Mya Lesnar shows up and shot puts him. /s

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Kofi would be a good target, especially depending on how they want to go with the current feud with The Final Testament.

I think the storyline works best if Pierce keeps him out as punishment for his behavior. Plus, it continues to help build the idea that he is an unstoppable monster. I think if they put him into any type of rumble match, he's going to need to win it.

If Kofi is still involved with Final Testament, I wouldn't mind seeing him go against someone like Sheamus. If I had to track Bron's ascension, in a perfect world, it'd go something like Ilja/Ricochet, Kofi, Sheamus, Stroman, Zayn, Jey, Punk/Rollins.

[Cracktoast]

WWE has trademarked the name " Talla Tonga " so looks like we are getting a new Bloodline member sooner rather than later. Most believe it's in reference to Hikuleo who is Toma Tonga's younger brother.

Jimmy is said to be ready to return at anytime so it will be interesting to see how they pull Jey back into the story being on the opposite brand and being a favorite in the MITB match. Jacob has been rumored since WM and I honestly don't see Roman returning before Survivor Series. I can Invision a scenario where Rock comes back first and week after week it's a lopsided beat down then they announce a War Games match for Survivor Series with the faces being down a member and Roman shows up as a surprise. Good guys win and Roman/Rock have a face off to set up a match for Royal Rumble and then a final blow off match for WM 41. Both leave after that and we get Rock/Rhodes at Summer Slam 2025.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

WWE has trademarked the name " Talla Tonga " so looks like we are getting a new Bloodline member sooner rather than later. Most believe it's in reference to Hikuleo who is Toma Tonga's younger brother.

Jimmy is said to be ready to return at anytime so it will be interesting to see how they pull Jey back into the story being on the opposite brand and being a favorite in the MITB match. Jacob has been rumored since WM and I honestly don't see Roman returning before Survivor Series. I can Invision a scenario where Rock comes back first and week after week it's a lopsided beat down then they announce a War Games match for Survivor Series with the faces being down a member and Roman shows up as a surprise. Good guys win and Roman/Rock have a face off to set up a match for Royal Rumble and then a final blow off match for WM 41. Both leave after that and we get Rock/Rhodes at Summer Slam 2025.

Or getting a little crazy. Jimmy comes back with Jacob and Talla to challenge 2.0

Jey seems primed to go on an extended solo run.

[stanmarsh]

Originally Posted by whitmm

WWE posted that Ricochet is going to miss an undisclosed amount of time due to "upper body injuries." Whether he's truly injured or not, I'm going to assume this was done to write him off of TV for the remainder of his contract. And I'm going to assume they did it in response to the report that he was going to test free agency.

They should have waited a week to prevent the continuation issues. Yes, we know Andrade defeats him for the Speed title. However, that match isn't supposed to take place until Friday. So we now have a guy who got destroyed and is injured magically healthy to defend his title.

Weak how they wrote him off.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by stanmarsh

Weak how they wrote him off.

That's why I do wonder if there were some actual injuries. Like I said, when Bron threw him against the trailer, he landed square on his shoulder from probably 8 feet.

Sounds like his contract ends sometime next month and PWI is reporting possibly one last appearance to send him off. MITB possibly?

[Jaypers]

Now that WWE and TNA seem to be working together, does anyone think we'll be getting a surprise appearance from Joe Hendry at Clash tomorrow? His face was spotted on a billboard near the event. (and he's Scottish, of course)

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Now that WWE and TNA seem to be working together, does anyone think we'll be getting a surprise appearance from Joe Hendry at Clash tomorrow? His face was spotted on a billboard near the event. (and he's Scottish, of course)

His catchphrase was said by Pat on Raw and during the NXT show.

I hope he does show up.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Now that WWE and TNA seem to be working together, does anyone think we'll be getting a surprise appearance from Joe Hendry at Clash tomorrow? His face was spotted on a billboard near the event. (and he's Scottish, of course)

Let's not get carried away. He'll show up on an NXT show.

[Jericho]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Brock/Bray/Uncle Howdy would have been a terrible storyline. There's a reason they had to stick Paul Heyman with Brock. Could you imagine Brock doing promos for a supernatural/mind games storyline? Do you really think he'd being willing to buy in and play along like Cena did?

Absolutely not. Hell I'm a Lashley fan was not looking forward to a Lashley/Bray match.

Hating SD tonight with this crowd that will not shut up. Yes fans should feel free to make noise and cheer and boo, but dont try to take over the damn show every minute.