Insane theft at the Dallas Card Show

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by JRX

Any chance its an inside job insurance scam? Let's say they already have a buyer, what's that person going to do just hold forever?

Lots of people asking those questions and getting dragged by the owner’s pals.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Lots of people asking those questions and getting dragged by the owner’s pals.

Regardless, he seems to be pretty negligent leaving a case like that unattended.

[MattRoc]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Lots of people asking those questions and getting dragged by the owner’s pals.

I've only dealt with Ashish a few times, but he's a major, major player and does a ton of business. He and his team are also incredibly friendly and professional, which is also probably why he is getting a ton of support from the community.

It would be the shock of the century if this was an inside job based on what is known.

[3124508 on COMC]

One of the perps almost knocked a kid over as he beelined out of the room. No way that this was an inside job; this isn’t Hollywood.

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by MattRoc

I've only dealt with Ashish a few times, but he's a major, major player and does a ton of business. He and his team are also incredibly friendly and professional, which is also probably why he is getting a ton of support from the community.

It would be the shock of the century if this was an inside job based on what is known.

Yeah everything I've seen also points to him being well respected in the card show community. Plus if it was a simple money grab for insurance why make a huge deal about it and not just settle with the insurance company behind the scenes ?

[auctionjmm]

Everyone knows there is scum in this world, but many in this hobby choose to look at the victim with suspicion before even considering the more obvious possibilities.

We see it every time there is a fire or theft. If it's a fire, "the owner started it". If it's a theft, "inside job". The least likely becomes the most likely and it's only, in my opinion, because so many want to see the hobby burn. It starts at the top with hatred for Panini/Fanatics and goes down from there. The actual scumbag/thief who shows up to pull off the crime is the last one considered. It's not newsworthy if the local meth head does the crime. People actually want to see the good guy turn heal. Strange world we live in.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Everyone knows there is scum in this world, but many in this hobby choose to look at the victim with suspicion before even considering the more obvious possibilities.

We see it every time there is a fire or theft. If it's a fire, "the owner started it". If it's a theft, "inside job". The least likely becomes the most likely and it's only, in my opinion, because so many want to see the hobby burn. It starts at the top with hatred for Panini/Fanatics and goes down from there. The actual scumbag/thief who shows up to pull off the crime is the last one considered. It's not newsworthy if the local meth head does the crime. People actually want to see the good guy turn heal. Strange world we live in.

Well for those of us that don't deal with or have hundreds of thousands worth of cards, we find it hard to believe that someone would leave a case like that unattended. We joke about handcuffing it, but how is there not someone whose sole job is to basically sit on it?

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by MattRoc

I've only dealt with Ashish a few times, but he's a major, major player and does a ton of business. He and his team are also incredibly friendly and professional, which is also probably why he is getting a ton of support from the community.

It would be the shock of the century if this was an inside job based on what is known.

Yeah he's regularly posting a few hundred thousand - million of new pickups

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by MattRoc

I've only dealt with Ashish a few times, but he's a major, major player and does a ton of business. He and his team are also incredibly friendly and professional, which is also probably why he is getting a ton of support from the community.

It would be the shock of the century if this was an inside job based on what is known.

For the record, I don’t think it is a scam or inside job. I think this guy was cased for a while and this was the day. I feel for him but what a colossal mistake.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by JRX

Well for those of us that don't deal with or have hundreds of thousands worth of cards, we find it hard to believe that someone would leave a case like that unattended. We joke about handcuffing it, but how is there not someone whose sole job is to basically sit on it?

I've never had anywhere close to that value with me at any show, but I could see it happening. Even if it were me unloading my own cart. Say some guy calls out and says hey I wanna show you something. I walk away for what seems like 10 seconds to see what he wants. Dude behind me sneaks up and grabs a box right off my cart. It's never happened to me thankfully, but I could at least see the scenario where it could.

Especially early in the morning when it looks like most of the dealers haven't even gotten there yet. It's easy to lose awareness in those early hours of setting up a show, especially if you've done hundreds of them and never had an issue. I've left my table completely unattended to use the bathroom before. Most of us aren't conditioned to have our guard up in the morning of setup day. Maybe we should, but to us (dealers) it's just a bunch of other dealers running in and out with carts and dealing with setup. That's what we see at least.

It's certainly a lesson for all of us to be careful at all hours.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

I've never had anywhere close to that value with me at any show, but I could see it happening. Even if it were me unloading my own cart. Say some guy calls out and says hey I wanna show you something. I walk away for what seems like 10 seconds to see what he wants. Dude behind me sneaks up and grabs a box right off my cart. It's never happened to me thankfully, but I could at least see the scenario where it could.

Especially early in the morning when it looks like most of the dealers haven't even gotten there yet. It's easy to lose awareness in those early hours of setting up a show, especially if you've done hundreds of them and never had an issue. I've left my table completely unattended to use the bathroom before. Most of us aren't conditioned to have our guard up in the morning of setup day. Maybe we should, but to us (dealers) it's just a bunch of other dealers running in and out with carts and dealing with setup. That's what we see at least.

It's certainly a lesson for all of us to be careful at all hours.

I'm not a dealer, so I don't know that world, but if I had one case with all my high end stuff, I would try to have a family member guard it. Even if you have an employee, I probably wouldn't trust them unless I knew them really well and even then.

[kidbrando]

Brazen....

[mc1]

Originally Posted by JRX

Well for those of us that don't deal with or have hundreds of thousands worth of cards, we find it hard to believe that someone would leave a case like that unattended. We joke about handcuffing it, but how is there not someone whose sole job is to basically sit on it?

Unattended? There were three people that were supposed to have been watching the dealers items.

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by mc1

Unattended? There were three people that were supposed to have been watching the dealers items.

And at least from the video it appeared the case was stored under a table. It's not like it was left wide open unlocked on top of the table. The show was already ended or very close to ending as most had already closed up shop so a lot of stuff had already been put away.

[Earlsnake07]

The owner of the cards is offering a $70,000 reward for the "return of the missing box".

[Richm]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Do dealers not keep an list of cert #'s that they can contact the grading companies and have the slabs decertified ? Now days anyone buying a graded card should do a cert # check to make sure the card isn't stolen especially cards of the value we are talking about in this case. I realize it's not fool proof but it would at least potentially make it harder for the thieves to quick flip the cards to another legit dealer or collector.

Its not a bad idea I just never think to check when I look to buy graded cards, after this one though Id say a lot of people will probably start checking their purchases.

[notfast]

How does any crime exist when everyone is so perfect and mitigates all risk 100% of the time?

People #@#@#@#@ up. Criminals commit crimes.

Obviously it should have been protected better but that doesn’t negate the fact a piece of #@#@#@#@ stole something.

[Bcr]

At the very least this will be a good wake up call to everyone attending shows. Never leave your valuables unprotected EVER.

I can't imagine having that much money of anything and letting it leave my sight unprotected.

[Cracktoast]

Folks gonna start bolting their shatter proof cases down to the tables I guess

[Twalk1975]

I've seen a guy wheeling in one some sort of cart like they use to move money to the cashier's office at casinos. At some point someone is going to get carjacked, or robbed at gunpoint in a parking garage.

[JUNKWAX]

I was at the show Friday and Saturday. Anytime I am at a large gathering like that I am on high alert for pick pockets and other sorts of thieves. I carry a backpack to those shows and any time I take it off and set it on the floor to work a deal or go through a box I will always put one foot through one of the straps so if someone tries to distract me so someone else can pick up my bag they will have a really hard time getting it without me knowing it. The funny thing is dollar boxes are my thing so very rarely is there ever a single card card worth more than a buck in my bag but I am still very protective of that bag.

Cant even imagine how sick this guy is about losing that case. I am sure he has run it over time and time again in his mind about how it could have been prevented but the bottom line is thieves will always find a way. You can take all the precautions you want but they will still find a way to get what they want. You just have to try to make it as difficult for them as possible so that hopefully they look for a softer target.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Really shocked someone has yet to organize some type of flash mob to hit bigger shows and hit several vendors at once. Overwhelm them with numbers and boom gone before they know what happened. You might catch 1 or 2 but the majority would likely get away. You don't have to know what to do after just hit the cases because anybody and everybody knows that's where the good stuff is.

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

I've seen a guy wheeling in one some sort of cart like they use to move money to the cashier's office at casinos. At some point someone is going to get carjacked, or robbed at gunpoint in a parking garage.

In 2021, Texas passed a “constitutional carry” bill. This bill changed the law to eliminate the need for a License to Carry (LTC) for some people. Now, if you can legally possess and carry a firearm, you no longer need an LTC to carry a handgun in a public place.

In liberal states like California, its much easier for business people that deal in jewelry and I would imagine items like cards to attain a CCW. It really depends on the County but some are much more lenient than others.

[JUNKWAX]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

In 2021, Texas passed a “constitutional carry” bill. This bill changed the law to eliminate the need for a License to Carry (LTC) for some people. Now, if you can legally possess and carry a firearm, you no longer need an LTC to carry a handgun in a public place.

The problem with that is there are signs at the main entrance to the hotel that prevents constitutional carry. If you have a LTC you can still carry there, but unlicensed you cant. I can tell you for 100% fact that people are doing it anyway though because those signs are not posted at every entrance.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by JUNKWAX

The problem with that is there are signs at the main entrance to the hotel that prevents constitutional carry. If you have a LTC you can still carry there, but unlicensed you cant. I can tell you for 100% fact that people are doing it anyway though because those signs are not posted at every entrance.

The hotel appeased both halves of their customer base. Smart business.

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

In 2021, Texas passed a “constitutional carry” bill. This bill changed the law to eliminate the need for a License to Carry (LTC) for some people. Now, if you can legally possess and carry a firearm, you no longer need an LTC to carry a handgun in a public place.

In liberal states like California, its much easier for business people that deal in jewelry and I would imagine items like cards to attain a CCW. It really depends on the County but some are much more lenient than others.

Legally though how would that stand up in court if you were to pull out said gun and shoot and/or kill someone trying to steal a bunch of cardboard ? Are you in fear of your life or being a vigilante ? There is a reason a lot of establishments have a strict policy about stopping shoplifters now days. The risk and liability is just more than they want to deal with.

For the record I'm not for or against LTC or CCP just curious