First Buzz: 2024 Topps Museum Collection baseball cards

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by jjcan

The Local shop i go to who does Daily breaks have like 15 regulars, half are local who love going to the Indian Casinos. Usually they get like 3-4 new guys who "discovered" sports cards and will just use their gambling money on cards for months.

Their excuse, well I can take stuff home and get a chance at something good rather then driving to the Casino and maybe lose it all. And for some reason all these new guys are grading experts. This is Fanatics New customer base.

This sounds like the exception to the rule.

[ptper]

In theory, one could buy the boxes/cases and resell to the breakers outright for higher than 400/per

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

A one time stimulus isn’t going to perpetuate breaking funds. However, the people with expendable income turned their stimis into more expendable income and have been using it to support the breaking industry, which ENABLED fanatics to increase prices to the highest bidders, the breaking culture.

It’s actually quite complicated but at the same time very straightforward.

Your theory falls apart by your comments that everyone loses in card breaks. If what you’re saying is true, there’s no way their stimulus money would perpetuate into more and more, they would just lose it all the moment they began breaking. I’m not arguing with you that opening product is generally a losing proposition, what I’m arguing is that this isn’t new.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Your theory falls apart by your comments that everyone loses in card breaks. If what you’re saying is true, there’s no way their stimulus money would perpetuate into more and more, they would just lose it all the moment they began breaking. I’m not arguing with you that opening product is generally a losing proposition, what I’m arguing is that this isn’t new.

What is new since 2019 is that many who have invested in AI, crypto and chip stocks are up 20x.

There’s a lot of money floating around still and people don’t get into breaks to make money, they do it for the gambling aspect, many times to the point of degeneracy. But their six figure income supports that habit without bankruptcy to get in the way.

Everyone does pay more for the box collectively, however.

I never said everyone loses money. One guy in 30 will pull a $150 card out of a $450 box.

LET’S GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[boxbuster7]

were boxes $425 on topps.com? same as fanatics?

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Haha, that’s funny to hear.

Many of the “whales” at my local shop are drug dealers, poker players and guys who deal with illegal car parts.

I have never met a drug dealer who gambles, the return on reinvesting in more drugs is absurd.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

I have never met a drug dealer who gambles, the return on reinvesting in more drugs is absurd.

And poker players don’t like playing against the house, it’s why they don’t.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

I have never met a drug dealer who gambles, the return on reinvesting in more drugs is absurd.

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

And poker players don’t like playing against the house, it’s why they don’t.

Again, they don’t get into breaks for the purpose of making money, they do it with “profits” to get their “high”.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Who enjoys this stuff? Who collects it? This is what continues to baffle me. 25 years ago, the lesser products were at least appropriately priced.

The card designs are generally pretty decent, and quite a few people collect the Canvas Collection cards....

I'll be going after the Will Clark/Buster Posey dual auto if one pops up at a reasonable price.....and there are quite a few other cool duals as well....Griffey/Ichiro, Brett/Schmidt, Maddux/Sandberg, Ripken/Murray that will be appealing to team collectors.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by JRX

It would be nice if they at least distinguished the brands some more. Right now they all feel like exactly the same thing with similar auto checklists.

Unfortunately, that's what happens when you've got a single company releasing 25-30 products per sport per year.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

What a stupid comment, prove they don’t…see I can do it too.

I can’t prove a negative. But you can certainly introduce me these elusive Museum collectors.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Unfortunately, that's what happens when you've got a single company releasing 25-30 products per sport per year.

A quick count of last year's Topps baseball products available on Blowout has 40 different pack-issued products. Throw in the Panini stuff and we are well over one baseball product for week.

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by jduds

A quick count of last year's Topps baseball products available on Blowout has 40 different pack-issued products. Throw in the Panini stuff and we are well over one baseball product for week.

Here's the complete list for 2023 per bcpedia. 11 Bowman releases, 10 Panini, 43 Topps, 19 non-traditional releases. 83 Total.

Bowman
Bowman
Bowman Sapphire
Bowman Chrome
Bowman Chrome Mega Box
Bowman Chrome Sapphire
Bowman Draft
Bowman Draft Sapphire Chrome
Bowman Inception
Bowman Platinum
Bowman Sterling
Bowman's Best

Panini
Donruss
National Treausers
Panini Chronicles
Panini Elite Extra Edition
Panini Flawless
Panini Immaculate
Panini Prizm
Panini Stars and Stripes
Panini Three & Two
Select

Topps
Flagship Series 1
Flagship Series 2
Flagship Update
Topps Chrome
Topps Chrome Update
Topps Sapphire Chrome
Topps Sapphire Chrome Update
Topps Chrome Black
Topps Chrome Logofractor
Topps 206
Topps Allen & Ginter
Topps Archives
Topps Big League
Topps Black & White
Topps Brooklyn Collection
Topps Cosmic Chrome
Topps Definitive Collection
Topps Diamond Icons
Topps Dynamic Duals
Topps Five Star
Topps Gilded Collection
Topps Heritage
Topps Heritage High Number
Topps Holiday
Topps Inception
Topps Luminaries
Museum Collection
Topps Pristine
Topps Pro Debut
Topps Rip
Topps Sterling
Topps Tier One
Topps Tribute
Topps WBC Global Stars
Topps WBC Team Samurai
Topps World Baseball Classic
Topps X Bob Ross: The Joy of Baseball
Topps X Julio Rodriguez: Show Out Collection
Topps Xpectations
Topps Chrome Platinum Anniversary
Topps Dyansty
Topps Transcendent

Not Wax?
Bowman Chrome NSCC
Topps Complete Set
Topps Chrome Lids
Topps Game Within a Game
Topps Now
Topps Now Road to Opening Day
Topps Now Supplemental Sets
Topps Now WBC
Topps Throwback Thursday
Topps X MLB Players Clubhouse Exclusive
Topps Living Set
Topps 582 Montgomery Club
Topps All-Star Game
Topps All-Star Game Play Ball Park
Topps Hobby Rip Night
Topps Holiday Countdown
Topps International Trading Card Day
Topps MLB World Tour: London Series
Topps WBC Team Samurai

[NYJNYYFan]

I don't think we'll ever see the pre-2020 prices again in wax unless Fanatics really screws up. Like anything else, if you budget yourself and buy responsibly, opening boxes can still be a fun way to enjoy the hobby.

I limit myself to 3-5 products a year and keep spreadsheet to track my spending and "ROI" on cards I decide to sell from ripping.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

ROI is irrelevant, individuals opening boxes aren’t doing it for investment purposes.

it matters when everyone goes broke

[rms13]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Didn’t topps gold label kill off this product by providing framed cards as well?

Must be a breaker thang.

Every release is a breaker thang now

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Mattsurewood

I hope Fanatics realizes they are turning some people away with this pricing.



I do pretty well for myself, but I don't want to watch someone else open my boxes online...I also recognize gouging when I see it..I regretfully opened some things over the past year that I just refuse to do anymore. I got lucky on a Dynasty case last year (hit a Gunnar, and got a good price slightly over cost on the case), but that was a 1-in-10 case that I got lucky on...



Museum is a $250-275/box product that they are charging double for, I cannot support that. Good for the breakers and that culture I suppose, but I think Topps will be losing some folks (like myself) who have disposable income that are smart enough to back away..I took a little longer to do it due to my love of the hobby, but "enough is enough".



I've been buying singles over the past few months and that is working out..I'll miss the "thrill" of opening packs, but this is just too much.

I think the money they are making in the breaking world these days far outweighs random people buying one box.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by rms13

Every release is a breaker thang now

Originally Posted by rms13

I think the money they are making in the breaking world these days far outweighs random people buying one box.

*Sadly nods in agreement*

[vegetable]

Originally Posted by BirdsFan55

I entered a case break only because they were giving away topps national packs as part of it. Wound up with 2 national packs, 2 sonny gray autos, a nootbaar auto, some relic cards, and a pete alonso 1/1 emerald relic for $300. Will be my only one, quit while ahead.

i bought one box in 2020 to get an ichiro framed autograph. quit while ahead.

[boxbuster7]

breaker pulls a gavin williams auto out in a $600 group break box

*BANG*

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

breaker pulls a gavin williams auto out in a $600 group break box

*BANG*

LET’S GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

breaker pulls a gavin williams auto out in a $600 group break box

*BANG*

How depressing.

That being said, I've got a flagship chrome base williams auto for sale ($200 obo)

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Again, they don’t get into breaks for the purpose of making money, they do it with “profits” to get their “high”.

Are you familiar with that Layers of the Iceberg meme? I would be fascinated to see you do a deep dive into the layers of the breaking iceberg. From Fanatics, to the people at your LCS, and everyone else involved.

[Mightymango]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

Here's the complete list for 2023 per bcpedia. 11 Bowman releases, 10 Panini, 43 Topps, 19 non-traditional releases. 83 Total.

Bowman
Bowman
Bowman Sapphire
Bowman Chrome
Bowman Chrome Mega Box
Bowman Chrome Sapphire
Bowman Draft
Bowman Draft Sapphire Chrome
Bowman Inception
Bowman Platinum
Bowman Sterling
Bowman's Best

Panini
Donruss
National Treausers
Panini Chronicles
Panini Elite Extra Edition
Panini Flawless
Panini Immaculate
Panini Prizm
Panini Stars and Stripes
Panini Three & Two
Select

Topps
Flagship Series 1
Flagship Series 2
Flagship Update
Topps Chrome
Topps Chrome Update
Topps Sapphire Chrome
Topps Sapphire Chrome Update
Topps Chrome Black
Topps Chrome Logofractor
Topps 206
Topps Allen & Ginter
Topps Archives
Topps Big League
Topps Black & White
Topps Brooklyn Collection
Topps Cosmic Chrome
Topps Definitive Collection
Topps Diamond Icons
Topps Dynamic Duals
Topps Five Star
Topps Gilded Collection
Topps Heritage
Topps Heritage High Number
Topps Holiday
Topps Inception
Topps Luminaries
Museum Collection
Topps Pristine
Topps Pro Debut
Topps Rip
Topps Sterling
Topps Tier One
Topps Tribute
Topps WBC Global Stars
Topps WBC Team Samurai
Topps World Baseball Classic
Topps X Bob Ross: The Joy of Baseball
Topps X Julio Rodriguez: Show Out Collection
Topps Xpectations
Topps Chrome Platinum Anniversary
Topps Dyansty
Topps Transcendent

Not Wax?
Bowman Chrome NSCC
Topps Complete Set
Topps Chrome Lids
Topps Game Within a Game
Topps Now
Topps Now Road to Opening Day
Topps Now Supplemental Sets
Topps Now WBC
Topps Throwback Thursday
Topps X MLB Players Clubhouse Exclusive
Topps Living Set
Topps 582 Montgomery Club
Topps All-Star Game
Topps All-Star Game Play Ball Park
Topps Hobby Rip Night
Topps Holiday Countdown
Topps International Trading Card Day
Topps MLB World Tour: London Series
Topps WBC Team Samurai

Seeing that in black and white just makes it feel, and it probably is, worse than the junk wax era.

Instead of 4 releases with 2-3 million cards per player we have 83 "different" releases with the same if not more cards per player.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

Are you familiar with that Layers of the Iceberg meme? I would be fascinated to see you do a deep dive into the layers of the breaking iceberg. From Fanatics, to the people at your LCS, and everyone else involved.

I would love to know the identification of those doing flawless, national treasures, immaculate, prizm hobby and dynasty breaks.

Would we discover a bunch of pelibois? (funded by their seagoing parents of course?)