Those who lost big on Acuna, Tatis and Wander. Have you changed the way you collect?

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

Long term, there simply are not a ton of players who have cards maintaining or increasing value.

You can say that again - I collect RC’s of active players in 5 Sports, and don’t need much more than my 2 hands to count them all.

[dani0100]

1. Sell everything when hot.

2. Collect/invest Pokemon instead.

[msucollector4]

Im still waiting for Acuna to go down more so I can buy, he is still very much hobby relevant. Just not insano prices.

[LVDan]

Yes, my massive losses on the young guys deemed "hobby good" has caused me to take pause and move into the cardboard ghetto of 25 year old post-hype, post-tj pitchers.

To tha moon!
ok - to the ceiling tiles!

[ThatGuyPal]

I let PuddleMonkey collect harder than me

[pewe]

I collected a fair amount of all three… only Wander’s prices are lower now than when I bought the others


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[Hallco]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you dont lose when you collect cards

ThoseBackPages

[nrivas7]

Lost on franco, not sure what to do with his cards, do people still buy this weirdo?

Still gonna collect Tatis and Acuna.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by awz50

If you are collecting it shouldnt matter, what you are talking about is investing.

This!

Collectors also aren’t the ones always “trying to grow the hobby” because this is something investors/flippers/sellers must have to stay solvent…just like any other business. collectors know the hobby will always be just fine.

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

I let PuddleMonkey collect harder than me

That's like saying you let your older brother take your arm and hit you repeatedly with it while asking, "why are you hitting yourself?" over and over again. You both knew there was nothing you could do about it.

[boxbuster7]

I'll answer since nobody really has

To me those guys besides Acuna were always tier 2 behind Judge and Ohtani and even Soto. I followed Acuna from when he first started in the minors. Tatis always seemed a bit wreckless but I was caught off guard by his steroid use.

So yes...I'll spend the money on the guy at the top of the pyramid already instead of a guy who is super hyped nowadays

the buy in for prospecting has gotten insane. Not worth it anymore.

[Bcr]

Didn't lose big on any of those, however I will state that it has opened my eyes to the danger of modern collecting. I'm very selective with current players now and you just have to hope they don't get injured or do something stupid.

[gradedeflator]

Almost every player I bought into when they were a prospect has gone down. I’m confident had I bought Ohtani the same thing would have happened.

Seriously I bought big on Bauer, Urias, Tatis. Whew.

I also drafted Henry Ruggs and Derrius Guice in my Dynasty fantasy football League. I have what you may call “Le Golden Touch.”

So now I only collect current players once they are well into their rookie year or year 2 and don’t go deep. Just 1-2 cards each. Otherwise i splurge now more on retired guys or near retiring HOF-ers (including 90s and vintage)

[Cards and 401K]

O also collected SOTO, Ohtani, Witt Jr so did not put all my players in 1 basket.


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[Twalk1975]

I have maybe fifteen PC cards max of any one player. At that point I'll sell or trade up if I want to add anything else. I also like to look at the second or third tier of hobby good players rather than the top guys. I currently have no Bobby Witt cards, and even though it feels like a gaping hole in my collection, I'm holding off for now on looking at adding a few of his cards.

[Zauron]

Anyone who bought in 2020/2021, yeah you might be hurting in terms of value

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I’m not exactly Mr WAR by any stretch, but when you compare Acuña’s WAR for his age against other HOFers at the same age… he’s fine. He’s still on a HOF path.

That said, I do worry about Acuna a little. 2 season ending injuries already, last time he had a very subpar year coming back from the injury before having his MVP year. Plus, he was terrible this year in the 49 games he did play. He accounted for 0 WAR this season.

Is Acuna on a great track? Yes, but so was Grady Sizemore. That said, I wouldn't classify him similar to Tatis and obviously not Wander.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Zauron

Anyone who bought in 2020/2021, yeah you might be hurting in terms of value



That said, I do worry about Acuna a little. 2 season ending injuries already, last time he had a very subpar year coming back from the injury before having his MVP year. Plus, he was terrible this year in the 49 games he did play. He accounted for 0 WAR this season.

Is Acuna on a great track? Yes, but so was Grady Sizemore. That said, I wouldn't classify him similar to Tatis and obviously not Wander.

Yes, being “on track” is far from being a HOFer. At least Acuna has a solid foundation to start from, unlike other hobby flameouts who never even had one good year.

It’s the risk you take with ultra modern cards. For me, I just have fun buying cards of guys I follow in my fantasy league. I have a stack of nice Aaron Judge cards, and also have a stack of nice Alex Kirilloff cards. Win some, lose some.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

you dont lose when you collect cards

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

This!

Collectors also aren’t the ones always “trying to grow the hobby” because this is something investors/flippers/sellers must have to stay solvent…just like any other business. collectors know the hobby will always be just fine.

I never realized before that aside from opinions on grading, TBP and MTP are essentially the same guy.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by superdan49

I never realized before that aside from opinions on grading, TBP and MTP are essentially the same guy.

Dan! HAHAHA

[Scottish Punk]

Kind of going back to my four year rule. This started with football since that is what I collect the most, but it can be applied in all sports really. I had a rule not to buy any RC until year 4. The idea is that if a team doesn't bother picking up the 5th year option, than there isn't much point. After year 4, you are past the rookie hype and sophmore slump cycle and have a pretty good idea of what the player is going to be. I am allowed one exception in each sport if you really feel strongly right away. i.e. doncic in basketball or Mahomes in football. Already collecting hardware and never missing all star. Often times, the RCs are 50% cheaper in year four since the FOMO crowd has long moved on. Football is a bit easier, since QBs are the only position you have to worry about being more expensive later. All other RCs will be cheaper in four years.

So this year, you would be looking at collecting 2020 rookies. Just buying ones which you feel are going to have productive careers. Skipping all the hyped and flame out ones. Example, yes on Alvarez, Roberts, Bichette no on Hoerner, Lux, Lewis. You get the idea. Maybe you only really feel good with just Alvarez.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Kind of going back to my four year rule. This started with football since that is what I collect the most, but it can be applied in all sports really. I had a rule not to buy any RC until year 4. The idea is that if a team doesn't bother picking up the 5th year option, than there isn't much point. After year 4, you are past the rookie hype and sophmore slump cycle and have a pretty good idea of what the player is going to be. I am allowed one exception in each sport if you really feel strongly right away. i.e. doncic in basketball or Mahomes in football. Already collecting hardware and never missing all star. Often times, the RCs are 50% cheaper in year four since the FOMO crowd has long moved on. Football is a bit easier, since QBs are the only position you have to worry about being more expensive later. All other RCs will be cheaper in four years.

So this year, you would be looking at collecting 2020 rookies. Just buying ones which you feel are going to have productive careers. Skipping all the hyped and flame out ones. Example, yes on Alvarez, Roberts, Bichette no on Hoerner, Lux, Lewis. You get the idea. Maybe you only really feel good with just Alvarez.

this is a smart plan, but really tough for collectors to do!

waiting will always be best.

another thing that has happened post pandemic era is that Rookie Cards are now pretty dead. People want parallels and or numbered versions of Rookie Year Cards. This leads to lower prices on Rookie Cards, which makes it more difficult to wait (even though it really is the best idea)

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Dan! HAHAHA

Hey, I also collect what I like

[BambinoShuffle]

Who do you PC?



Yes.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

this is a smart plan, but really tough for collectors to do!

waiting will always be best.

another thing that has happened post pandemic era is that Rookie Cards are now pretty dead. People want parallels and or numbered versions of Rookie Year Cards. This leads to lower prices on Rookie Cards, which makes it more difficult to wait (even though it really is the best idea)

I consider parallels of the same numbered card still a rookie card. Even though the old school definition is no inserts. If it is an actual insert or secondary all star card, or patch card. Than those aren't technically RCs. It is a confusing market now, ha ha.

You are right though, the refractor/prizm is kind of the new base RC.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I consider parallels of the same numbered card still a rookie card. Even though the old school definition is no inserts. If it is an actual insert or secondary all star card, or patch card. Than those aren't technically RCs. It is a confusing market now, ha ha.

You are right though, the refractor/prizm is kind of the new base RC.

yes, a lot of people do. thankfully i do not, which pleases my hobby wallet! haha

there are also a lot of newer people that have been fooled by the RC Logo.