First Buzz: 2024 Bowman Chrome baseball cards

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Even back in 2019 bowman draft, most would argue Adley Rutschman has met his lofty expectations but his autos are going for 50% of what they sold for upon release.

Adley was a pretty good example of someone who was always going to be more baseball good than hobby good. His career triple crown per 162 is only .263/21/79. That's great for a catcher, especially one that is Gold Glove caliber and walks a lot (OPS+ of 123), but that's not going to cut it for the hobby in the short run.

My first entry in the Price Index for Adley is November, 2020. He's down about 25-30% since that point (and currently "cold"), but the market is down over 50% since that time. I'd say he's held up very well, even better than I would have expected. I still think he's more likely to fall than he is to rise going forward.

The other (and main) counterpoint is, Gunnar and Carroll have seen significant appreciation during that same time frame. So while Adley was overvalued, there are examples of players who have hit big. Last year's Bowman Chrome's hits are up ~10-20% at most.

Don't get me wrong. If any of these guys get themselves in the MVP conversation, their cards will rise. The warning is, that will be after a precipitous fall. Just wait until June/July of next year. Even if they're in the mix for #1 overall prospect, the price won't be up that much. Case in point, Sebastian Walcott.

[BirdsFan55]

I'll be honest, I'm unfamiliar with most of the prospects in this so for those that are, is this better or worse than topps chrome this year value-wise? Cause topps chrome is a bloodbath

[hermanotarjeta]

That Gehrig superfractor is EASILY a $100k card.

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by BirdsFan55

I'll be honest, I'm unfamiliar with most of the prospects in this so for those that are, is this better or worse than topps chrome this year value-wise? Cause topps chrome is a bloodbath

Based on some eBay sold listings of prospects I am chasing, it seems like a race to the bottom with a lot of guys

[Cracktoast]

Skenes has 5 cards in the whole product including the 900 insert sets. I feel bad for any sucker that buys the Pirates in a break.

[RainCityShecks]

Nope to hobby. Yes to a few boxes of Mega.

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Worth buying a mega box at $37.50 shipped?

For the fun of the rip absolutely (IMO). I'd buy 3.

[Bob Ross]

Welp. 2017 Bobby Witt Jr autos in 2024 Bowman Chrome.

Moon?

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Welp. 2017 Bobby Witt Jr autos in 2024 Bowman Chrome.

Moon?

Wait what?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

Wait what?

I think he’s talking about a quantity, not a year.


Maybe? I dunno.

Either way, more BWJ autos is a good thing.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

Wait what?

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I think he’s talking about a quantity, not a year.


Maybe? I dunno.

Either way, more BWJ autos is a good thing.

There was a 2017 Under Armour USA Witt auto pulled on Slabstox

[The Accountant]

I really like those GPK cards

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

There was a 2017 Under Armour USA Witt auto pulled on Slabstox

[zeus091]

I am a big fan of the Garbage Pail Kids cards

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

There was a 2017 Under Armour USA Witt auto pulled on Slabstox

Ohh… that’s interesting.

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

I like it. Probably one of those deals where he didn't get the cards back to them in time.

No sense in wasting them.

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by peterose4hof

I like it. Probably one of those deals where he didn't get the cards back to them in time.

No sense in wasting them.

Doubt it

[Bob Ross]

It's not his current signature style. Definitely an old style.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

There was a 2017 Under Armour USA Witt auto pulled on Slabstox

Does that count as a 2017 card or a 2024 card?

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Does that count as a 2017 card or a 2024 card?

Whatever the back says, my guess is 2017.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Whatever the back says, my guess is 2017.

Couldn’t that set a bad precedent?

For example, if fanatics releases a 1980 topps joe Montana rookie in its 2026 products, would that be a good thing?

[oddstuff]

Can't seem to find the Witt auto under the 2017 Bowman products checklist. Perhaps it was part of the 2020 Bowman product:

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...baseball-cards

[mfisher27]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Couldn’t that set a bad precedent?

For example, if fanatics releases a 1980 topps joe Montana rookie in its 2026 products, would that be a good thing?

Were the cards made and/or signed in 1980 or 2026?

And the precedent is how those have been treated for the last 10-15 years since they've been around for at least that long.

2013 Bowman Draft
I pulled the 2009 Bowman Aflac Kris Bryant auto /235

Looks like BGS slabs them:

2009 Bowman Aflac
Autographs
#KB Kris Bryant /235
Issued in 13 Bowman Draft

[Bob Ross]

This is all I found. It's this but the auto version.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by mfisher27

Were the cards made and/or signed in 1980 or 2026?

And the precedent is how those have been treated for the last 10-15 years since they've been around for at least that long.

2013 Bowman Draft
I pulled the 2009 Bowman Aflac Kris Bryant auto /235

Looks like BGS slabs them:

2009 Bowman Aflac
Autographs
#KB Kris Bryant /235
Issued in 13 Bowman Draft

They can produce a card in 2025 and label it 1980.

I know it’s an extreme example, but it still sets a bad precedent in my opinion. It has happened before and it’s caused plenty of confusion and upset investors as well.

Kris Bryant for example. I know the guy who purchased the 2014 chrome superfractor auto. I can’t imagine how pissed he must have been when several months later topps release his 2013 chrome draft in a later product. At least it happened the same season. Imagine if topps released the card in 2015. I would be pissed.

I’m glad tpg at least denotes that the Aflac was released in a 2013 product without the intent to deceive the public in believing it was released in 2009.

What if the card was actually printed in 2009 versus 2013, and what if the player signed it in 2013 instead of 2009?

Many questions to ponder there.