2024 topps update should be loaded! Right?

[The Accountant]

What time do preorders normally "sell out"?

[whitmm]

I swear the more I hear people here talk about breakers, the more I think you guys think that the people doing the breaks are the ones keeping the big hits.

IMO, a breaker is no different than your LCS. And every single one of you has the opportunity to buy into those breaks, so don't give me that "not everybody has a chance to hit those cards" crap.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

I don’t consider the breakers the high rollers as they aren’t the ones ultimately paying for the product, as you said, bought and paid by low rollers. I rest my case.

The comment was about prices. The breakers are whats causing the demand for cases which creates the price increases. Rest your case wherever you wish, but that is a fact.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I swear the more I hear people here talk about breakers, the more I think you guys think that the people doing the breaks are the ones keeping the big hits.

IMO, a breaker is no different than your LCS. And every single one of you has the opportunity to buy into those breaks, so don't give me that "not everybody has a chance to hit those cards" crap.

I've never done a break on either end of it. But I don't understand the hatred towards them. They are supplying something that people want. That is capitalism at its finest. You will always have a handful of people complain about things. Those people exist in all walks of life. They get their joy in life by passing their misery on to others.

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by premium1981

I've never done a break on either end of it. But I don't understand the hatred towards them. They are supplying something that people want. That is capitalism at its finest. You will always have a handful of people complain about things. Those people exist in all walks of life. They get their joy in life by passing their misery on to others.

They are price-insensitive customers pushing up the cost of a good that affects price-sensitive customers.

[Ehawk89]

So hobby boxes are the way to go?

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by Ehawk89

So hobby boxes are the way to go?

seems like it

[ptper]

I bought jumbo…do you think I can/should cancel or exchange?


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[anusinha]

Meh, just wait for chrome and sapphire. Unless you plan on Rudying away a warehouse full of the wax.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

They are price-insensitive customers pushing up the cost of a good that affects price-sensitive customers.

No different than your LCS. The breaker isn't the end user.

The people buying into breaks are price-sensitive customers as well. They are buying individual unit instead of the bulk product. Example, buying one can of pop 12 times is going to cost more than buying a 12-pack.

[NYBBFAN]

I can’t with you people.

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I swear the more I hear people here talk about breakers, the more I think you guys think that the people doing the breaks are the ones keeping the big hits.

IMO, a breaker is no different than your LCS. And every single one of you has the opportunity to buy into those breaks, so don't give me that "not everybody has a chance to hit those cards" crap.

Breakers were a big part of the reason no one could find retail for 2+ years

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

Breakers were a big part of the reason no one could find retail for 2+ years

Great, literally has nothing to do with what I said.

Let me ask you this, how is breaking any different than you buying a full box and then selling all of the contents? You aren't selling your cards just trying to break even, you're trying to sell them for more than what you paid for them. If you are busting wax chasing the big hits for a big payday, you're just as guilty as the breakers for driving prices up.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

I can’t with you people.

Stop trying.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

Breakers were a big part of the reason no one could find retail for 2+ years

Don’t forget the box flipper bois!

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Great, literally has nothing to do with what I said.

Let me ask you this, how is breaking any different than you buying a full box and then selling all of the contents? You aren't selling your cards just trying to break even, you're trying to sell them for more than what you paid for them. If you are busting wax chasing the big hits for a big payday, you're just as guilty as the breakers for driving prices up.

Every time you add someone to the chain, prices increase.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

Every time you add someone to the chain, prices increase.

Again, most breakers, definitely all of the biggest breakers, are on the same level has your local card shop. They are getting product from a distributor. You buying products from BO is the same level as the guy buying into a break from Layton's or Blez.

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Again, most breakers, definitely all of the biggest breakers, are on the same level has your local card shop. They are getting product from a distributor. You buying products from BO is the same level as the guy buying into a break from Layton's or Blez.

For every 1 breaker with a direct account there are 10 on whatnot breaking products they bought from BO or eBay.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by msucollector4

For every 1 breaker with a direct account there are 10 on whatnot breaking products they bought from BO or eBay.

Good for them. Glad they found a new way to make money. Nothing is stopping you from doing the same thing. Sorry (not really) that is cutting into your profits of trying to sell the contents of the box you opened.

That would put you at the same level as those selling on whatnot. Sounds like they found a more efficient way of moving all of their product. And the thing is, when they hit a monster card, they aren't the one seeing all of that profit. Which all goes back to what I originally said, which was that it seems like people here think that the breakers themselves are the ones keeping those big hits.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Let me ask you this, how is breaking any different than you buying a full box and then selling all of the contents?

Group breaking prays on susceptible customers who have a devastating combination of gambling addiction and innumeracy. It’s taking advantage of the dumbest of the dumb, which unfortunately is a huge contingent of this “hobby”. Very few group breaks exist anymore for products in formats that are designed for collectors.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Group breaking prays on susceptible customers who have a devastating combination of gambling addiction and innumeracy. It’s taking advantage of the dumbest of the dumb, which unfortunately is a huge contingent of this “hobby”. Very few group breaks exist anymore for products in formats that are designed for collectors.

I don't agree with you on much, but I appreciate that you keep beating the group breaking drum. I don't understand how it's so hard for people to grasp why breaking is driving prices up. It's not the same as going to your local LCS and buying a box.

[ptper]

I happened on to breaking earlier this year, and I admit that I participated a few in the beginning, but then I began looking closer at what they were charging for each spot (don't get me started on randoms--oi vey). Then, I saw some of the cheesy setups on Whatnot running into the wee hours of the night. I almost liken it to those folks at the liquor stores staring up at the Keno screens...very sad indeed.

[ptper]

Originally Posted by ptper

I bought jumbo…do you think I can/should cancel or exchange?


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An update, I was able to cancel my pre-order. At first he said no because it was sold out. When I pointed out that was incorrect (to his surprise), he escalated and approved the cancellation. He also didn't know why the checklist hasn't been published yet. I think I'm going to wait for it before deciding on hobby regular.

[msucollector4]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Good for them. Glad they found a new way to make money. Nothing is stopping you from doing the same thing. Sorry (not really) that is cutting into your profits of trying to sell the contents of the box you opened.

That would put you at the same level as those selling on whatnot. Sounds like they found a more efficient way of moving all of their product. And the thing is, when they hit a monster card, they aren't the one seeing all of that profit. Which all goes back to what I originally said, which was that it seems like people here think that the breakers themselves are the ones keeping those big hits.

If you fail to see the issue with group breaking being the main avenue for new collectors opening up product in the hobby, I dont know what to tell you

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Again, most breakers, definitely all of the biggest breakers, are on the same level has your local card shop. They are getting product from a distributor. You buying products from BO is the same level as the guy buying into a break from Layton's or Blez.

But you said so yourself, it costs more to buy one unit individually than the entire box itself.

“buying one can of pop 12 times is going to cost more than buying a 12-pack”

Folks buying in to breaks are actually paying more for the luxury of having an individual spot and having someone else open it for them on that video stream and having it shipped to them.

That increases prices for everyone, including folks who like to open boxes themselves - the breaker culture and box flipper bois all empower fanatics to charge more for product.