2022 Marvel Masterpieces on Epack tomorrow 9AM PT!

[DynaEtch]

I didn’t pull this one, but got it off COMC to join the other Suo. A little bit romance-y I guess for marvel cards? But well done and I like the moon.



Edit: and this. I don’t character collect him, but I like Iceman anything.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Edit: I’ll try to figure it out. I think I’m just confusing myself

If you figure it out let me know. I've been using COMC to buy so far but there are a few things in my inventory I'd like to sell.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by Xazark

here are the pics I promised a few pages back, as mentioned the Venom is #01/50 which I assume warrants a premium but I have been unable to find comps for the Variant cover anyway so not sure where the value lies on it

Is that Iceman Metallurgy available for trade? If so take a look at my epack. PurpleRex080

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

If you figure it out let me know. I've been using COMC to buy so far but there are a few things in my inventory I'd like to sell.

I will- Anything less than $100 is really easy and lists for free immediately at least.

It’s when it’s more than $100…I understand it requires a $2 fee either way to list, but still not totally sure on the difference between actually submitting for elite (takes 2-3 days to process/scan) vs just paying the fee and not having to do that, and how exactly the latter is done. Several cards im buying over $100 are clearly not elite since they don’t have the high res/black background scan, yet they are for sale.

[finfangfan]

Another important thing to note is that when you list for more than $100 they charge you $2. but that fee also entitles you to a better scan but it’s not automatic. You need to select from drop down and takes about 2 business days. If you buy something and want to flip it, the rescan also brings the item to the front of the newly listed search … which can help a little with sell through.

[Rictor]

I didn't buy any, pack price was stupid. I'll pick up all the common singles I want for way less than the price of 1 pack.

[90sMarvelKid]

Check out these three sellers that appear to be engaging in some sort of COMC price fixing scheme. For those unaware, the market value on many of these tier 3 variants is $10-15 each as they have been the past 4-5 days these cards have been out on epack.

In the past few hours these three accounts attempted to buy up all Tier 3 /399 variants and relist them all for $50+.

The characters like Luke Cage and Medusa were some of the least desirable in the T3 set, prices were dropping down to the $6-8 range because real demand for them wasn't there. I was keeping an eye on them to finish off a set, so nobody else is probably even going to notice this and assume the cards are all selling well up to $50 now, which is 100% false.

Is this a reportable offense against comc rules? What about multi-accounting? I'd seriously doubt these are three entirely different people.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It’s when it’s more than $100…I understand it requires a $2 fee either way to list, but still not totally sure on the difference between actually submitting for elite (takes 2-3 days to process/scan) vs just paying the fee and not having to do that, and how exactly the latter is done. Several cards im buying over $100 are clearly not elite since they don’t have the high res/black background scan, yet they are for sale.

You can list anything you buy/move off from ePack for any price you want. $2 will only get charged to you if you list over $100. There's no waiting period unless you want it scanned.

Originally Posted by 90sMarvelKid

Check out these three sellers that appear to be engaging in some sort of COMC price fixing scheme. For those unaware, the market value on many of these tier 3 variants is $10-15 each as they have been the past 4-5 days these cards have been out on epack.

In the past few hours these three accounts attempted to buy up all Tier 3 /399 variants and relist them all for $50+.

The characters like Luke Cage and Medusa were some of the least desirable in the T3 set, prices were dropping down to the $6-8 range because real demand for them wasn't there. I was keeping an eye on them to finish off a set, so nobody else is probably even going to notice this and assume the cards are all selling well up to $50 now, which is 100% false.

Is this a reportable offense against comc rules? What about multi-accounting? I'd seriously doubt these are three entirely different people.

Reportable for price fixing? That's literally how COMC works. Haha. No clue who those people are buy that's how it works. People buy cards for X(Assumed "good price") and list for Y(Whatever they want.). 24/7/365 that's how COMC works. If you want something for X(Assumed "good price") you have to follow it closer than you are. People sit there and hit refresh literally 24/7.

[90sMarvelKid]

I get the free market aspect but generally terms and conditions of creating account on these websites tend to have something against multi-accounting especially if you are trying to manipulate a market price. At the end of the day whether you have three different accounts showing a price or one account with all three cards showing the same price it doesn't really matter, but it seems extra scummy to go out of your way to create the illusion it's anything other than one person trying to buy the entire supply of one card.
At the end of the day I'm just saying don't do business with these types of clowns, let them sit on the cards forever. I certainly won't be.

I'm not sure how to use my 'history points' to look at what prices the cards actually sold at, but that will tell you all you really need to know.
Unfortunately many people won't use that data before buying or listing an item for sale.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by 90sMarvelKid

I get the free market aspect but generally terms and conditions of creating account on these websites tend to have something against multi-accounting especially if you are trying to manipulate a market price. At the end of the day whether you have three different accounts showing a price or one account with all three cards showing the same price it doesn't really matter, but it seems extra scummy to go out of your way to create the illusion it's anything other than one person trying to buy the entire supply of one card.
At the end of the day I'm just saying don't do business with these types of clowns, let them sit on the cards forever. I certainly won't be.

COMC doesn't care if you have multiple accounts and use them. More money for them. In the end, tons and tons of people do this. Seems to happen more often in sports(prospecting) but it does happen in Marvel/Non-Sports sometimes too.

What's likely to happen (it'll happen), is that they're buying $10 cards for whatever price, say $6 or $8 or even $12 or $14 and re-listing high. There are 399 of the cards you're mentioning and the prices over the next few weeks/a month will continue to come down. Could they continue to spend $10 per, on say another 100 cards? Sure. Not sure why anyone would do that though. So, they'll end up having overpaid at some point in the near future, but if they hold long enough, they'll probably make something.

Long winded, as always. Be patient and you'll get the cards you want /399 for a price you're willing to pay. Book it

[sfgiants4life]

Orion - Did you go into this? I didn't see your usual sale on cards. I was looking forward to it.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by sfgiants4life

Orion - Did you go into this? I didn't see your usual sale on cards. I was looking forward to it.

Hey . Long time no talk. Nope, I did not. I've bought a few singles and will continue to buy a few more...but I haven't bought any wax since May. Got sick of spending 100k and getting 20-30k worth of cards . Took a bit of willpower to not join in on MM though, but I "made it" haha! Hope you're good!

[Archangel1775]

I once bought all of a certain track & field athlete for about $5 each prior to the Olympics. I then listed them for 3x the price as I thought they were way too cheap. Sure enough, I've sold a bunch of them for the price I wanted after the athlete won gold. Though I understand your main point is possible multi-accounting and manipulation, they, whether the same person or not, saw it as a potentialt to profit. As mentioned, that's COMC and its great.

[Xiarmadillo]

Originally Posted by 90sMarvelKid

Check out these three sellers that appear to be engaging in some sort of COMC price fixing scheme. For those unaware, the market value on many of these tier 3 variants is $10-15 each as they have been the past 4-5 days these cards have been out on epack.

In the past few hours these three accounts attempted to buy up all Tier 3 /399 variants and relist them all for $50+.

The characters like Luke Cage and Medusa were some of the least desirable in the T3 set, prices were dropping down to the $6-8 range because real demand for them wasn't there. I was keeping an eye on them to finish off a set, so nobody else is probably even going to notice this and assume the cards are all selling well up to $50 now, which is 100% false.

Is this a reportable offense against comc rules? What about multi-accounting? I'd seriously doubt these are three entirely different people.

You cant stop schmutz doing manipulations, comc, ebay or even those other auction sites. All you can do is what you have done, inform people, and also dont FOMO set chasing and pay those prices.
There are many sets that has people doing the above in the past, and if you look at sales history many of them have 0 sales over like half a year. They are fishing and imo doing a poor job as there are still ALOT of these cards yet to come from epack. Anyone listing their's at like $20-$30 or less (and they will) ruin their game in an instance here

[DynaEtch]

I don’t see how they have to be the same account. They could just be reacting to what the others have theirs priced at, and how many are left in the bucket. If there are 3 cards in the bucket, seller A has it $15, and seller B and C have theirs at $50, seller A could easily notice that and change to 50. Prices can change rapidly around a new release. With buyer FOMO filling out sets, sellers may try to maximize their advantage. There is nothing wrong about setting prices how you want on comc. I do think it’ll self correct, as more transfer over and people will undercut just to get a sale.

I mean it’s possible I guess someone is trying to corner the cards on comc. With /399 that’s a lot though (well maybe 200 from epack). There are other ways to find these tier 3s besides comc/epack since they were physical as well.

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

I don’t see how they have to be the same account. They could just be reacting to what the others have theirs priced at, and how many are left in the bucket. If there are 3 cards in the bucket, seller A has it $15, and seller B and C have theirs at $50, seller A could easily notice that and change to 50. Prices can change rapidly around a new release. With buyer FOMO filling out sets, sellers may try to maximize their advantage. There is nothing wrong about setting prices how you want on comc. I do think it’ll self correct, as more transfer over and people will undercut just to get a sale.

I mean it’s possible I guess someone is trying to corner the cards on comc. With /399 that’s a lot though (well maybe 200 from epack). There are other ways to find these tier 3s besides comc/epack since they were physical as well.

Not to mention rainbow chasers from ePack who already have several physical cards that they transferred to COMC while monitoring sales prices for the dozens of cards they don't want. The ePack wish/trade list isn't easily managed amidst the controlled chaos of achievement chasing (hockey, Goodwin, forums galore).

I've been in to reprice the ~50 cards that came from my MM purchases several times over the weekend and I still have quite a few hanging around.

[Chrominator]

It'd be really cool if UD released hot products like this in waves...

or at the very least gave a week or two notice.

[Fenian95]

Nice Peter and MJ sketch Dyna! It's the rare unicorn, happy Spider-Man.

I am almost surprised it got approved.

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

It'd be really cool if UD released hot products like this in waves...

or at the very least gave a week or two notice.

Why? It sold out, and quickly, which is their ultimate goal.

(Also the irony of your avatar which, I believe, is from MM22, right?)

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Fenian95

Nice Peter and MJ sketch Dyna! It's the rare unicorn, happy Spider-Man.

I am almost surprised it got approved.

Thought the same haha. I guess comc might have had an issue if they were actually making out, who knows. As is, kinda a G-rated romance I suppose. Also it’s coming direct from UD and not from someone submitting.

With this one I may look to move the Dr Strange I pulled…love the sketch but I think a Dr strange collector could appreciate it more

[DynaEtch]

But yea…as for the tier 3 what ifs. It’s ripe for high prices, most buckets only have a few like 3 or so in it. Heck Beast #73 isnt even on comc.

I was eying a Spider-Gwen last night at around $35, didn’t buy it. This morning woke up to it being $90. Since I’m getting 2017 FUSM Venom #100 vibes with that one (if you know…you know- popular character, good art, last card in the regular set), I decided to pick one up on eBay for around $50, so there’s one datapoint. Perhaps dumb with FOMO. I do see one has since hit comc for $60. It’s true if you wait it should come down. I’ve been spending about $15-20 a piece for most of the other tier 3 what ifs I bought, which now is looking like a slight bargain.

It’s a fair question to ask, what really is the market value of these. And it’s not easily answered right now since prices are all over the place. But take that Spidey Gwen…$50 might sound like a lot, but that’s basically the price of 1 pack. A tier 3 what if Spidey Gwen is not a terrible thing for 1 pack. Should it come down though? I think so.

To compare to Jusko’s MM16, those were /499, and these are /399. What if tier 3s from Jusko’s set could easily sell at $20-35 now. The Cap America probably double that. DDS’s set will basically be nearly as popular, if not as popular in the hobby going forward. (And they might not reprint the darn set in XL).

[90sMarvelKid]

Thanks for the thoughts everyone. I agree there are going to be more dumped on the market, I just figured now that epack sold out already, I wasn't sure they would still be pouring in over the next few weeks.

That spider-gwen for $90 you mentioned is the same seller above. On Saturday there was about 5 or so of them listed between $30-50. I managed to snag one on a $20 offer before they cleaned it out. $50 is fair to avoid the stress of getting that card. Anything spidey related goes fast so I made sure to grab Miles & Gwen first when I started. The idea of paying $40 for a Luke Cage or Ant-Man made me gag a little yesterday. I have doubts I'll ever own a tier 4 cover variant, I just can't see allocating that kind of capital ($500+) to a single card, and there's 9 of them.

I agree with your analysis comparing to the 2016 what if's /499, those tend to auction between $20-35 when they come up sparsely on ebay, that set is now 8+ years old but I'd consider it maybe one of the all time best Marvel sets if not best, so those have held value really well.

[jonefriedman]

Hello All, I could use some help. I pulled the Elektra/Daredevil gold battle spectrum card via epack. I have already gotten some offers but I have no idea how best to determine what is a realistic price for the card. If anyone could point me in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it.

[prospectorgems]

Originally Posted by jonefriedman

Hello All, I could use some help. I pulled the Elektra/Daredevil gold battle spectrum card via epack. I have already gotten some offers but I have no idea how best to determine what is a realistic price for the card. If anyone could point me in the right direction, I would greatly appreciate it.

Have you check ebay sold prices?

[DynaEtch]

Yea if you got a Spidey Gwen for $20 it’s a solid deal imo.

I don’t go for the tier 4 what ifs. I can’t justify having $7-10k into that just to have a parallel what if set. My usual plan with MM is a full base set, gold set 1-81, and what if set 1-81. The what if 1-81 set is proving to be costly with these tier 3s though. I admit FOMO is driving my buying as a set collector, which is somewhat irrational for a /399 card.

It’s possible after people either redeem achievements or give up on them, we’ll see more of them on comc. But as is, only 2 or 3 in a bucket is recipe for high prices.