2025 Baseball Hall of Fame

[Handsome Wes]

I edited the first post in this thread to reflect that the official ballot is now out:


Ichiro Suzuki is making his debut on the ballot and should be a shoo-in. He also has a legitimate shot at being a unanimous selection.
CC Sabathia will also appear for the first time and will be an interesting case study.
Other notable newcomers include Dustin Pedroia, Felix Hernandez, Troy Tulowitzki, Curtis Granderson, and World Series hero Ben Zobrist.

Full list of newcomers:
Carlos González
Curtis Granderson
Félix Hernández
Adam Jones
Ian Kinsler
Russell Martin
Brian McCann
Dustin Pedroia
Hanley Ramírez
Fernando Rodney
CC Sabathia
Ichiro Suzuki
Troy Tulowitzki
Ben Zobrist

RETURNING PLAYERS:
Billy Wagner (10th year on ballot; 73.8% support)
Andruw Jones (8th; 61.6%)
Carlos Beltran (3rd; 57.1%)
A-Rod (4th; 34.8%)
Manny Ramirez (9th; 32.5)

Other returnees include Chase Utley, Omar Vizquel, Bobby Abreu, Jimmy Rollins, Andy Pettitte, Mark Buehrle, Francisco Rodriguez, Torii Hunter, and David Wright.

[Handsome Wes]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

I edited the first post in this thread to reflect that the official ballot is now out:


Ichiro Suzuki is making his debut on the ballot and should be a shoo-in. He also has a legitimate shot at being a unanimous selection.
CC Sabathia will also appear for the first time and will be an interesting case study.
Other notable newcomers include Dustin Pedroia, Felix Hernandez, Troy Tulowitzki, Curtis Granderson, and World Series hero Ben Zobrist.

Full list of newcomers:
Carlos González
Curtis Granderson
Félix Hernández
Adam Jones
Ian Kinsler
Russell Martin
Brian McCann
Dustin Pedroia
Hanley Ramírez
Fernando Rodney
CC Sabathia
Ichiro Suzuki
Troy Tulowitzki
Ben Zobrist

RETURNING PLAYERS:
Billy Wagner (10th year on ballot; 73.8% support)
Andruw Jones (8th; 61.6%)
Carlos Beltran (3rd; 57.1%)
A-Rod (4th; 34.8%)
Manny Ramirez (9th; 32.5)

Other returnees include Chase Utley, Omar Vizquel, Bobby Abreu, Jimmy Rollins, Andy Pettitte, Mark Buehrle, Francisco Rodriguez, Torii Hunter, and David Wright.

For what it's worth I would definitely vote for:
- Ichiro Suzuki

I would also vote for without hesitation:
- Carlos Beltran
- CC Sabathia

I would say "eh, why not"
- Andruw Jones
- Billy Wagner

Depending on the mood I'm in:
- Alex Rodriguez
- Manny Ramirez

If I feel like padding my ballot:
- Felix Hernandez
- Dustin Pedroia

I think he has the numbers but I don't like him
- Chase Utley

He doesn't have the numbers but I do like him
- David Wright

Willing to hear arguments about:
- Mark Buehrle
- Jimmy Rollins

[mfw13]

Only people I would vote for are Ichiro and Andruw Jones.

My dislike of closers is well-known, and everyone else is HOVG (Hall of the Very Good).

[ironfireman]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Steve's greatest career achievement might have been getting the Padres to the World Series, even though they were soundly beaten, once there.
Garvey's overall playoff performance also should be taken into account, though. In 11 playoff series total, 55 games, he hit .338 with 11 homers and 31 RBI on the way to two NLCS MVP awards. While his teams lost 4 of the 5 World Series he played in, 3 of those losses were to dynasty teams. Besides the 4 WS losses, his team won all 7 of the other postseason series they played in, including the '81 Championship. He won 4 straight Gold Gloves before Keith Hernandez came along to win the next 11 in a row. Garvey also had a 1,200+ consecutive games streak played, the NL record to this day. He should've received the call a long time ago.

Jones played with zero fire over his last 6 seasons. It was unfortunate to see it up close when he played for the Dodgers in 2008, delivering what was easily his worst season. He was a fine player from ages 20-29, then collected checks for his final 6 years while underperforming for 5 different teams in that span. Hopefully, the current delay is because the judges rightfully remember that, but I think he does get in eventually, for the reasons you've given.

Jones was also arrested and pleaded guilty to dragging his wife down the stairs, choking her and threatening to kill her Christmas morning. If voters can black ball Schilling for saying dumb sh*t they are certainly within their right to not vote for a wife beater.

[Mandy1320]

Only correct answer:

Ichiro
Sabathia
Wagner
Francisco Rodriguez

Borderline (Hall of Really Good)

Bobby Abreu
David Wright
Felix Hernandez
Dustin Pedroia
Hanley Ramirez
Andruw Jones

Would've voted for them if they didn't get caught cheating:

A-Rod
Manny
Beltran

Write-In:

Bonds
Clemens
Rose

[ravensgc_5]

Ichiro will most likely be the next "how the hell did this guy not get in unanimous?" when some writer decides nobody should get in unanimously and doesn't vote him in. The numbers he put up were really good. When you take into consideration he did not come over to MLB until his age 27 season they're even more impressive.

I'd like to see Billy Wagner get in. He seems like kind of a shoo-in this year given how close he was last year.

I wouldn't be outraged if CC and Andruw Jones got in.

I also think eventually guys like Arod, Manny, etc have to be let in even if there is some kind of asterisk about them playing in the steroid area and that they either popped or were highly suspected of taking steroids. Rose has got to get in at some point as well.

[BdotHobbs]

Ichiro should absolutely be a unanimous choice but knowing the BBWA some old bozo will leave him off just because

Billy The Kid better get in this year. I'm a fan of CC so I'm hoping for him too

Carlos Beltran can kick rocks

[awz50]

Originally Posted by Mandy1320

Only correct answer:

Ichiro
Sabathia
Wagner
Francisco Rodriguez

Borderline (Hall of Really Good)

Bobby Abreu
David Wright
Felix Hernandez
Dustin Pedroia
Hanley Ramirez
Andruw Jones

Would've voted for them if they didn't get caught cheating:

A-Rod
Manny
Beltran

Write-In:

Bonds
Clemens
Rose

[49ersSF]

my guess...

Ichiro
Billy Wagner
Dick Allen
John Donaldson

[jdandns]

Ichiro for sure, and maybe Billy Wagner (making the 2010 All-Star team in his final season w/ a career low ERA after a dismal 2009 was a nice touch.)
Everyone else can wait in the bar.

[ClevelandIC]

Really surprised to see so many people on the fence for CC! Should be a lock.

[Quake1028]

Originally Posted by ClevelandIC

Really surprised to see so many people on the fence for CC! Should be a lock.

What's your justification for putting CC in but not Andy Pettitte? Or do you think Pettitte should be in as well?

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Quake1028

What's your justification for putting CC in but not Andy Pettitte? Or do you think Pettitte should be in as well?

Or even better, what's your justification for putting in a guy with a 3.74 career ERA?

Wins are a function of the offensive quality of the team you pitch for.....just ask Felix Hernandez (also on the ballot this year). He has much better rate stats than CC....but a lot fewer wins because he pitched for the Mariners instead of the Yankees.

Felix had a better ERA, WHIP, K/9, WAR/162 games, and QS%....just had a shorter career and pitched for a much worse offensive team.

[hche]

Originally Posted by ClevelandIC

Really surprised to see so many people on the fence for CC! Should be a lock.

Originally Posted by Quake1028

What's your justification for putting CC in but not Andy Pettitte? Or do you think Pettitte should be in as well?

Or David Cone.

Arguably both Johan Santana and King Felix were more dominant than CC during their prime. Just getting 250W should not get CC in.

[hxcmilkshake]

Yes to CC and Felix , no to Pettite was never dominant like those 2. And his WS ERA is rough.

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[no10pin]

Pettitte is a bad example, if Bonds and Clemens aren't getting in because of PED stuff, Pettitte has no chance.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Yes to CC and Felix , no to Pettite was never dominant like those 2. And his WS ERA is rough.

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But I was told that bad playoff performances don't hurt a player...

[ClevelandIC]

I'm a big hall guy, so take that with a grain of salt.

CC accomplished something only three lefties have ever done in the history of baseball.

Staying healthy and compiling is always looked down as a negative and I just don't understand that. We could make a list of 100's of guys that "if they stayed healthy he'd have such and such numbers." Sabathia actually did stay healthy and was a very good pitcher for a very long time. Sabathia pitched 25 or more games 17 out of 18 seasons in the 2000's. He was an absolute work horse, 3,500 Career Innings all in the 2000's! His 2008 season alone was one of the most impressive things I've seen from any pitcher in my life. (Up there with 2014 Bumgarner WS Performance)

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Quake1028

What's your justification for putting CC in but not Andy Pettitte? Or do you think Pettitte should be in as well?

Pettitte admitted to using, therefore he isn't getting in.

[Skipscards]

The tracker is officially up and we have our first results. If the current tracker holds, we will welcome 6 new Hall of Famers: Beltran, Andruw, CC, Ichiro, Utley, and Wagner

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...Ce58mCXDocB0Ls

[Quake1028]

The early tracker always skews positive. No way we get 6.

Also, I know he came on during more crowded ballots, but Mike Mussina might be interesting to look at to gauge CC.

[whitmm]

Beltran should never get in based on being one of the ring leaders of the Houston sign-stealing scandal.

Others have been kept out for less or things that have nothing to do with the integrity of the game.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by whitmm

But I was told that bad playoff performances don't hurt a player...

Pettite rubs me the wrong way because he has a "big game" reputation among some Yankee fans but he stunk in just about every WS game he ever pitched. Except the Padres game.

But yeah I'm a postseason guy (as long as you have some regular season stuff too, sorry Allen Craig)

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Pettite rubs me the wrong way because he has a "big game" reputation among some Yankee fans but he stunk in just about every WS game he ever pitched. Except the Padres game.

But yeah I'm a postseason guy (as long as you have some regular season stuff too, sorry Allen Craig)

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Pettitte also has the black eye of admitting to using PEDs.

I was mostly just sarcastically poking at those who use that defense anything their guy is struggling in the playoffs. But that's common in all sports, the only stats that matter are the ones that help their case.

[ottobord]

I'd put Guidry and CC in over Pettitte, and Tiant and Schilling in over CC and Guidry.