Question for Goldin Purchase

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

Yes, the Jersey has MEARS's certification letters. It clearly described "worn during regular season".

Yeah..but thats just opinion..just like when Grey Flannel or Heritage issue their own LOA's on game use. I used to dabble in game used stuff and my understanding was to get perfect Mears A10, it had at the very least some kind of additional provenance like that Kobe jersey for example had the Lakers Youth Foundarion LOA.Maybe they are more relaxed with that now.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I just emailed the Pelicans to confirm whether this was a home issued Jersey design during the 05-06 season or not.

Thank you so much for the help!

[jcardstore]

Interestingly, the team issued white "New Orleans" jerseys don't have the OKC patch

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

I will show the exact item once I am done with all of the research. Right now, I checking each and every game's photo on Getty Image. The Jersey was described as game used in 2005-2006 Regular Season, fortunately, Getty Image has each and every game's photo.

Are you Aaron Rodgers? Lol

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Yeah..but thats just opinion..just like when Grey Flannel or Heritage issue their own LOA's on game use. I used to dabble in game used stuff and my understanding was to get perfect Mears A10, it had at the very least some kind of additional provenance. Maybe they are more relaxed with that now.

I understand provenance is very important for a jersey, but the MEARS and Goldin should at least check some photos as the first step to describe it as Game Used. The entire Hornet team didn't even worn this version's jersey in that year, so how can they graded A10.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

I understand provenance is very important for a jersey, but the MEARS and Goldin should at least check some photos as the first step to describe it as Game Used. The entire Hornet team didn't even worn this version's jersey in that year, so how can they graded A10.

Yeah Mears for sure..they are the ones grading it and the A10 standard has to be a without a shadow of a doubt it's game used. Pretty big error to not be able to style match

[pejc300]

Good for you OP to do your due diligence, even after the fact. I don't blame you at all and I hope this gets resolved for you.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Good for you OP to do your due diligence, even after the fact. I don't blame you at all and I hope this gets resolved for you.

I was happy when I first won the auction, but now I am really disappointed. I trust Goldin's reputation as well as MEARS's A10, so I didn't do much research, if I had done 1/10 of the work that I did yesterday, I could avoid this. BUT somebody else will catch it instead of me, whoever got into this is no good. I don't want to see that happens.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Getty images largely does not agree. There are some games where they wore “New Orleans” home jerseys but at first glance none of these have the “OKC” patch.

Did the Hornets ever worn the white New Orleans jerseys (not the white Hornets Jersey) in 2005-06 regular season?

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Interestingly, the team issued white "New Orleans" jerseys don't have the OKC patch

Here is what I am thinking:

In 2005, Hornets moved to OKC as their home court because of the Hurricane, so the team don't want to wear the white New Orleans jerseys even the jerseys added OKC patches, so the team decided to wear white Hornets jerseys with OKC patches for home games. On the other hand, the team need to consider their hometown fans in New Orleans's feeling, so they wear blue or yellow New Orleans jerseys for away games. The jersey (white New Orleans with OKC patch) I won on Goldin could be the team's first choice for wearing when they first decided to moved OKC, but later for some kind of consideration, the team changed the jerseys for home games.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Yeah Mears for sure..they are the ones grading it and the A10 standard has to be a without a shadow of a doubt it's game used. Pretty big error to not be able to style match

If I got the jersey in hands already, I would definitely seek for my legitimate rights after I got all the evidences. Both Goldin and MEARS are obligated.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

Did the Hornets ever worn the white New Orleans jerseys (not the white Hornets Jersey) in 2005-06 regular season?

I don’t think so, I think the photos I was looking at were from early 2005, so the 2004-05 season.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I don’t think so, I think the photos I was looking at were from early 2005, so the 2004-05 season.

Basketball Jersey Archive even got the wrong jersey for 2005-06 Hornets home games.

[Totalpackage]

I got a response from Goldin, here is the message.

From Goldin's support:
Thank you so much for reaching out. We appreciate you letting us know your concerns. This item has been graded and authenticated by MEARS, and we stand by their authentication process. For any questions regarding authenticity, please reach out to MEARS directly, as they are the provider that authenticated this as a game-used jersey. If you have any further questions or need additional assistance, feel free to let us know.

Best regards

[dherm360]

Goldin still owes me memorabilia from the bankruptcy of 1996

[Totalpackage]

Here is an another response from Goldin:

Thank you so much for reaching out. For any questions regarding authenticity, please reach out to MEARS directly, as they are the provider that authenticated this as a game-used jersey, and you are now the current owner. If you receive anything that supports your claim or any documentation that suggests the item is not authentic please let us know so we can provide resolution. Until that has occurred, the letter of authenticity is the evidence we use to determine that this jersey was a game used jersey worn by Chris Paul. If you have any further questions or need additional assistance, feel free to let us know.

[Totalpackage]

Goldin support keep letting me contact MEARS for the jersey's authenticity. By the way, is there any better support document than the time I spent on checking Hornets each and every game's photo on Getty images? Their support personnel is pushing me around.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I just emailed the Pelicans to confirm whether this was a home issued Jersey design during the 05-06 season or not.

Goldin's support asked me for support document for my claim. Please let me know if the Pelicans responses.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

Goldin's support asked me for support document for my claim. Please let me know if the Pelicans responses.

I will let you know if they get back to me.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I will let you know if they get back to me.

Thank you so much for the help.

[jacksonjj]

Goldin is probably correct--this is on MEARS to guarantee and make right.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

Goldin is probably correct--this is on MEARS to guarantee and make right.

Goldin, MEARS or the party who consigned this jersey are obligated for this. From the evidences I gathered plus the helps from our kindly members here, this Jersey couldn't be a Game Used. The best it can be is a Team Issued. That's a whole different story if it is a Team issued.

On the other hand, I don't know how did MEARS graded A10 since the Hornets team didn't even used this version jersey in 2005.

Does MEARS A10 guarantees the Jersey as a game used?

[glen87]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

Goldin, MEARS or the party who consigned this jersey are obligated for this. From the evidences I gathered plus the helps from our kindly members here, this Jersey couldn't be a Game Used. The best it can be is a Team Issued. That's a whole different story if it is a Team issued.

On the other hand, I don't know how did MEARS graded A10 since the Hornets team didn't even used this version jersey in 2005.

Does MEARS A10 guarantees the Jersey as a game used?

i would say it falls on Mears.

look at it this way....you pull a card from a pack and see what you think is damage, and send to psa, knowing there is absolutely zero chance of it coming back a 10. you get lucky and the grader misses the damage and does give it a 10.

you go to ebay and sell the item, the buyer gets it in hand and sees the same damage as you did, and gets mad at you and wants you to refund him. you advertised a psa 10 (whether or not it actually SHOULD be a 10 is not relevant, it is a psa 10). you sold it as a 10 based on the OPINION of psa (just like goldin sold this based on the OPINION of mears). buyers complaint is with the provider of the opinion, not the seller.

however, if you do get documentation it is not game worn, then it is time to get goldin involved.

[Old Chesapeake]

Retailers and graders have VERY SPOTTY definitions of "game-used." For ex: I got a "game-used ball at a Yankees game from steiner (they used to sell them after the 5th inning or so). No idea who actually used it but I bought it in the 7th inning. I later had it signed by Mariano Rivera at a show. Then I sent the ball to Beckett and they Authenticated it as a "Game-Used Mariano Rivera" ball.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by glen87

i would say it falls on Mears.

look at it this way....you pull a card from a pack and see what you think is damage, and send to psa, knowing there is absolutely zero chance of it coming back a 10. you get lucky and the grader misses the damage and does give it a 10.

you go to ebay and sell the item, the buyer gets it in hand and sees the same damage as you did, and gets mad at you and wants you to refund him. you advertised a psa 10 (whether or not it actually SHOULD be a 10 is not relevant, it is a psa 10). you sold it as a 10 based on the OPINION of psa (just like goldin sold this based on the OPINION of mears). buyers complaint is with the provider of the opinion, not the seller.

however, if you do get documentation it is not game worn, then it is time to get goldin involved.

Thanks for the response. I sent Goldin a few links from Getty Images which showed the actual jerseys which Hornets worn in those games in 2005. By the way, does Mears A10 guarantees or said the jersey was Game Used?