Question for Goldin Purchase

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

I think I need some help from Ken Goldin now. Their support personnel keeps ignore the evidence I provided and ask for some so call document to prove my claim. In fact, I just want them to cancel this unfair deal; who is going to pay $3000 for an unidentified jersey...

Speaking from experience, tag him on social media. He'll find it. Had a poor experience selling on goldin, I was ultimately made full, but it wasn't until Ken got directly involved.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Let this be a lesson that you should do your due diligence in authenticating any game-used items before purchasing. Photomatching and provenance is everything in game-used. Most of the “game-used” market is trash. You should operate under the assumption that the item is fake until you can prove otherwise.

I will take everything I can do to protect my rights. As you said, most of game used market is trash, so where did these trashes came from? They came from some packaging company like Mears and sell them via a trusty platform like Goldin. Goldin and Mears are the error ones in this case, not me. Again, if every game used item needs to be verified by the customer himself, what's the need for grading and auction companies then? They should be responsible for their errors.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Speaking from experience, tag him on social media. He'll find it. Had a poor experience selling on goldin, I was ultimately made full, but it wasn't until Ken got directly involved.

Thanks for the info, but which social media should I look him for?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

Thanks for the info, but which social media should I look him for?

I used twitter, I wasn't looking for him to respond, but got a DM within minutes.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I used twitter, I wasn't looking for him to respond, but got a DM within minutes.

Thank you for the info.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

I will take everything I can do to protect my right against those scam sellers. As you said, most of game used market is trash, so where did these trashes came from? They came from some trash packaging company like Mears and sell them via a trusty platform like Goldin. Goldin and Mears are the error ones in this case, not me. Again, if every game used item needs to be verified by the customer himself, what's the need for grading and auction companies then? They should be responsible for their errors or even frauds.

You’re the equivalent of the 70 year old woman who sends her life savings to a Nigerian prince. You don’t get to skirt 100% of the responsibility. You have to look out for yourself because these companies don’t exist to look out for you. Thinking Goldin is “trusty” was your first mistake.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You’re the equivalent of the 70 year old woman who sends her life savings to a Nigerian prince. You don’t get to skirt 100% of the responsibility. You have to look out for yourself because these companies don’t exist to look out for you. Thinking Goldin is “trusty” was your first mistake.

I agree that the individual should do their own due diligence before making such a large purchase.

On the other hand, what's the point of having a professional 3rd party authenticator if you can't trust them? Not sure how Mears could have even certified this to begin with

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

A Goldin Shower of sorrow and regret.


His shady antics really piss me off sometimes.

[Chris P]

I guess for me a Mears A10 would mean nothing and wouldn't give any confidence unless it came with additional provenance. Mears is basically giving their opinion that in their mind by their criteria it's game used. I think it's pretty sad they gave it an A10 with it not even being a Style match but them themselves stating it's game used does nothing for me. I used to think in the game used space, LOA's from Grey Flannel, Mears were iron clad but you quickly find out that's not the case at all most of the time

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I agree that the individual should do their own due diligence before making such a large purchase.

On the other hand, what's the point of having a professional 3rd party authenticator if you can't trust them? Not sure how Mears could have even certified this to begin with

Is this the email address you sent to Pelicans: fanexperience@pelicans.com?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I agree that the individual should do their own due diligence before making such a large purchase.

On the other hand, what's the point of having a professional 3rd party authenticator if you can't trust them? Not sure how Mears could have even certified this to begin with

Third party authenticators offer opinions, not gospel. That opinion is especially worthless if it’s not backed up by a guarantee. If you have no easy way of holding a company accountable for their mistake, why are you buying their product?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

Is this the email address you sent to Pelicans: fanexperience@pelicans.com?

yes..

[Totalpackage]

This picture was taken on June 29, 2005 at Chris Paul rookie media press. In fact, the date was before the terrible hurricane hit, so I think Hornets didn't plan to bring an another version of jerseys for home use. After the hurricane hits, Hornets first thought about to continue use the jerseys in the picture but adding OKC patches in order to show OKC's presents as their home court, but for some reason, Hornets brought up an new version of jerseys for home games and kept the original ones. Does this make sense?

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Third party authenticators offer opinions, not gospel. That opinion is especially worthless if it’s not backed up by a guarantee. If you have no easy way of holding a company accountable for their mistake, why are you buying their product?

It's Goldin's mistake. Why are you defending them and making OP out to be the bad guy here?

I get it's your schtick, but it's tiring when someone is out legit money because they were duped.

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Third party authenticators offer opinions, not gospel. That opinion is especially worthless if it’s not backed up by a guarantee. If you have no easy way of holding a company accountable for their mistake, why are you buying their product?

Thanks for the useful info. Since Mears only offered a A10 grading as their opinion which is not a guarantee as well, so how can Goldin labelled this jersey as game used? It was a clearly false listing.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Totalpackage

Thanks for the useful info. Since Mears only offered a A10 grading as their opinion which is not a guarantee as well, so how can Goldin labelled this jersey as game used? It was a clearly false listing.

I'm not saying it's right but Golden was presented the jersey as Game Used and feel Mears is a trusted source so they labeled it as such. It's no different than if Goldin was presented say a Michael Jordan PSA/DNA autograph. Now if questions were brought up during the auction about it's authenticity, Goldin would probably look into it and decide whether or not to remove it. Same here. If someone had questioned the jersey during the auction, they probably would've reached out to Mears for more information

[Totalpackage]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I'm not saying it's right but Golden was presented the jersey as Game Used and feel Mears is a trusted source so they labeled it as such. It's no different than if Goldin was presented say a Michael Jordan PSA/DNA autograph. Now if questions were brought up during the auction about it's authenticity, Goldin would probably look into it and decide whether or not to remove it. Same here. If someone had questioned the jersey during the auction, they probably would've reached out to Mears for more information

I messaged Mears more than once but they still don't response. Right now, I trying to get a response either from Mears or Pelicans in order to forward the infos to Goldin's support so they can cancel this deal.

As a long time customer on Goldin, I still want to keep my bidder's identity, but if they don't cancel the deal as well as I don't pay, they would definitely ban my account. In addition, it's absolutely unfair if I got banned because of their fault.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

It's Goldin's mistake. Why are you defending them and making OP out to be the bad guy here?

I get it's your schtick, but it's tiring when someone is out legit money because they were duped.

The biggest mistake here is trusting Goldin and Mears. Thats on the buyer. He could have done his research ahead of time instead of bidding this up and THEN finding evidence it was questionble.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I'm not saying it's right but Golden was presented the jersey as Game Used and feel Mears is a trusted source so they labeled it as such. It's no different than if Goldin was presented say a Michael Jordan PSA/DNA autograph. Now if questions were brought up during the auction about it's authenticity, Goldin would probably look into it and decide whether or not to remove it. Same here. If someone had questioned the jersey during the auction, they probably would've reached out to Mears for more information

Maybe some of these guys expect Goldin to verify every game used Jersey. Might as well have them verify or regrade already graded cards and authenticated autographs.

[Bob Ross]

Hope it gets resolved.

What I learned from this read is that Mears has the ability to BBCE Pokemon a sports jersey.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by mc1

The biggest mistake here is trusting Goldin and Mears. Thats on the buyer. He could have done his research ahead of time instead of bidding this up and THEN finding evidence it was questionble.

I don’t disagree, but it’s certainly not good business practice from Goldin here.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

I don’t disagree, but it’s certainly not good business practice from Goldin here.

Yeah, Im not sure how their Customer Service can resolve this issue. He needs someone higher up. Im not sure they are going to look at some Getty links and cancel based on just that.

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I'm not saying it's right but Golden was presented the jersey as Game Used and feel Mears is a trusted source so they labeled it as such. It's no different than if Goldin was presented say a Michael Jordan PSA/DNA autograph. Now if questions were brought up during the auction about it's authenticity, Goldin would probably look into it and decide whether or not to remove it. Same here. If someone had questioned the jersey during the auction, they probably would've reached out to Mears for more information

I like this post. Goldin trusts Mears as much as we the consumers trust them. Which is a lot for an A10 grade. We aren't talking about simply a scammer claiming something is game used. This is Mears offering their highest grade of certainty and Goldin standing by that.

Problem is, many times there isn't time to do all this research before an auction ends. The "winner" doesn't even know he's the winner until after the auction ends. It's a lot of work to do upfront for an item you might get outbid on. Trusting Goldin to bid on their platform is essentially paid for by all the bidders. There's a level of trust there that we expect and that we pay for.

[Totalpackage]

Currently, I am working on a document with all photos of all 41 Hornets home games in 2005-06 season. Goldin's support asked me for a document type evidence in order to proceed my claim. I think it's the best evidence.

[Chris P]

Another thing..I feel like you can tell how hobbyists view Mears authenticated items. I can't imagine a legit CP3 game used rookie jersey going for $2400. Meigray regular season and playoff jerseys seem to sell over $3k (these days gamers are more readily accessible thanks to Meigray's relationship with the NBA)..I would think a rookie jersey would far surpass that