2024 Ginter X

[LionsJets1323]

Will this week be it? Only one can hope.

[fenwaykid]

Rumor mill says it will be a Friday release!

[mikee1186]

$150 per box lol, I’m sure many of us will be out now. They finally stopped giving us a nice Ginter X treat.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by mikee1186

$150 per box lol, I’m sure many of us will be out now. They finally stopped giving us a nice Ginter X treat.

Ugh, thats a kick in the pants. Right around the price they would eventually be aftermarket.

1:3 boxes for red mini
1:14 boxes for silver mini

Based on the silver minis odds there should be just a bit less than 5,000 boxes and a little more than 400 cases.

So only 100 of the cards are chrome. That means that there's about 5000 total full size chrome, or 50 of each.

For the mini chrome it appears the print run should be in the 7-8 per card range. Thats a very small number and should add in some value.

I still cant reconcile the odds on the autos to only one per box. Maybe my math is off. If it comes out close to 2 autos per box, it does soften the price blow somewhat.

I still don't think $149 is THAT awful, but this def isn't a money maker this year.

[fenwaykid]

That definitely sucked the air out of the room. $69.99 last year to $149. Fun rip under $100, at $150 very close to a pass.

[Tim]

Another easy pass!

[ZappBrannigan]

Rubin needs a lawyer pricing again.

[dunquixote1]

I think this year will sell out faster than previous years. They’ve created the perception this is a more premium product and thus people who otherwise wouldn’t care are going to care now. Fanatics knows what they’re doing. It’s a BS tactic but this is a common marketing strategy across all industries. So that combined with the fact that previous years almost all sell for $150 on the secondary market makes $150 a lock and load price point. I think it sucks but it was largely predictable. This already expensive hobby has gone on steroids the past 12 months. And price points wont get cheaper. If the market really takes a giant dump they’ll just keep production the same and maintain the price points.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

I think this year will sell out faster than previous years. They’ve created the perception this is a more premium product and thus people who otherwise wouldn’t care are going to care now. Fanatics knows what they’re doing. It’s a BS tactic but this is a common marketing strategy across all industries. So that combined with the fact that previous years almost all sell for $150 on the secondary market makes $150 a lock and load price point. I think it sucks but it was largely predictable. This already expensive hobby has gone on steroids the past 12 months. And price points wont get cheaper. If the market really takes a giant dump they’ll just keep production the same and maintain the price points.

If the market takes a dump and demand drops, they'll probably scale back production or lower price-point enough to where enough demand is met.

[Jboff73]

I didn't buy a box of Ginter this year for $120, so maybe it makes sense to buy Ginter X for $150 with at least the guarantee of an auto? Not spending my money feels like I saved my money for this.

But this still a gut punch of a price compared to last years. I hope the chrome hits will add a bit of value and there's some chance at two autos instead of just one. That would make it work better for me.

[eastbayak]

Regarding 2024 Ginter X price, $150 per?!

Haha, it was only a matter of time before they noticed the golden goose!

[jjcan]

Okay, I know $150 is alot for Ginter, compared to last year.

But if 2023 Ginter is still at $225-$300 a Box

I am guessing this gets sold out fast? $250-$300/ box value for this Rookie class should match the current value for 2023?

And Topps knows it too. sucks.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by jjcan

Okay, I know $150 is alot for Ginter, compared to last year.

But if 2023 Ginter is still at $225-$300 a Box

I am guessing this gets sold out fast? $250-$300/ box value for this Rookie class should match the current value for 2023?

And Topps knows it too. sucks.

2023 is that price due to Wemby autos. Look at 2022 or 2021 and you'll see they're around $150 right now.

That said, yes this rookie class is stacked and there should be Ohtani autos in it. So probably will go for north of $200 on resale.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Regarding 2024 Ginter X price, $150 per?!

Haha, it was only a matter of time before they noticed the golden goose!

Killed*

That said I'm still going to rip a couple boxes. The chrome in black are a nice added chase.

[dodgerfanjohn]

There were only 5 Wemby autos I believe and I also believe 3 were publicly pulled/listed. Not sure that is driving the price, though there is a floor due to the value of the Wemby base card and base mini.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by bub838

Killed*

That said I'm still going to rip a couple boxes. The chrome in black are a nice added chase.

Haha, I don't think they've killed it yet. But the margins (both from ripping and flipping) are certainly smaller.

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

There were only 5 Wemby autos I believe and I also believe 3 were publicly pulled/listed. Not sure that is driving the price, though there is a floor due to the value of the Wemby base card and base mini.

I think 4 were publicly pulled/listed.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

There were only 5 Wemby autos I believe and I also believe 3 were publicly pulled/listed. Not sure that is driving the price, though there is a floor due to the value of the Wemby base card and base mini.

I forgot about that, autos aren't the only driving force but he's gotta be the one driving that product compared to previous years.

[dunquixote1]

While Wemby is carrying 2023, 2024 has a much stronger checklist and is more top heavy. 2023 had Nadal (which didn’t seem to be an SSP in reg Ginter), Deniro, Hart (again, didn’t seem to be an SSP in reg Ginter), Stroud, and Wemby. Those were basically the top ones and everything else was way lower. Aldean and Probst both appear to be SSP in regular Ginter and are in high demand so their X releases will have a floor. Then you have Bolt, Travis Scott, Daly, Caleb, and Daniels. On top of that, the MLB rookie class “feels” much deeper than 2023. Even with peak Carrol, it was essentially him, Gunnar, and Adley. But in 2024 you’ve got Skenes, Wyatt, Carter, Chourio, Holliday, and Merril. And there’s a slew of non MLB (which is what I collect) auto that are mid tier that 2023 didn’t have. IDK. I loved the 2023 non MLB list but 2024 as a product feels incredibly stronger in the long run. It’s also beginning to feel like Deniro isn’t going to sign his 2023 (which sucks since I have 4 of them pending) so 2023 is killed by that as well.

[bub838]

checklist

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/MLB2...XChecklist.pdf

[Mattsurewood]

Originally Posted by bub838

checklist

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/MLB2...XChecklist.pdf

Mini Chrome variations are new for Ginter X.

[LionsJets1323]

In for the max and will probably have my brother pick up additional for me.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Massive list but some big big names and lots of good names. The hometown favorites/HOF checklist is not gonna pay for a box, but wont dissapoint too many people either.

AUTOGRAPH
MINI BASEBALL AUTOGRAPH CARDS I
MA-AA Andrew Abbott Cincinnati Reds® Rookie
MA-AP Andy Pages Los Angeles Dodgers® Rookie
MA-AR Adley Rutschman Baltimore Orioles®
MA-AS AJ Smith-Shawver Atlanta Braves™ Rookie
MA-ASP Alex Speas Chicago White Sox® Rookie
MA-AW Austin Wells New York Yankees® Rookie
MA-AWI Alika Williams Pittsburgh Pirates® Rookie
MA-BB Byron Buxton Minnesota Twins®
MA-BW Bryan Woo Seattle Mariners™ Rookie
MA-CC Corbin Carroll Arizona Diamondbacks®
MA-CCO Colton Cowser Baltimore Orioles® Rookie
MA-CE Christian Encarnacion-StrandCincinnati Reds® Rookie
MA-CK Clayton Kershaw Los Angeles Dodgers®
MA-CM Curtis Mead Tampa Bay Rays™ Rookie
MA-CMA Cade Marlowe Seattle Mariners™ Rookie
MA-COM Coco Montes Colorado Rockies™ Rookie
MA-CR Ceddanne Rafaela Boston Red Sox® Rookie
MA-EC Evan Carter Texas Rangers® Rookie
MA-ED Elly De La Cruz Cincinnati Reds® Rookie
MA-EH Emerson Hancock Seattle Mariners™ Rookie
MA-ER Endy Rodríguez Pittsburgh Pirates® Rookie
MA-FT Fernando Tatis Jr. San Diego Padres™
MA-GK Grae Kessinger Houston Astros® Rookie
MA-GW Gavin Williams Cleveland Guardians™ Rookie
MA-HD Henry Davis Pittsburgh Pirates® Rookie
MA-HK Heston Kjerstad Baltimore Orioles® Rookie
MA-JA Jordyn Adams Angels® Rookie
MA-JC Junior Caminero Tampa Bay Rays™ Rookie
MA-JCHO Jackson Chourio Milwaukee Brewers™ Rookie
MA-JD Jasson Domínguez New York Yankees® Rookie
MA-JF José Fermín St. Louis Cardinals® Rookie
MA-JH Jackson Holliday Baltimore Orioles® Rookie
MA-JL Jordan Lawlar Arizona Diamondbacks® Rookie
MA-JM Justin Martinez Arizona Diamondbacks® Rookie
MA-JME Jackson Merrill San Diego Padres™ Rookie
MA-JR José Ramírez Cleveland Guardians™
MA-JROJ Johan Rojas Philadelphia Phillies® Rookie
MA-JS Juan Soto New York Yankees®
MA-JT José Tena Cleveland Guardians™ Rookie
MA-JW Jordan Westburg Baltimore Orioles® Rookie
MA-JWI Jordan Wicks Chicago Cubs® Rookie
MA-KM Kyle Manzardo Cleveland Guardians™ Rookie
MA-KT Kyle Tucker Houston Astros®
MA-LB Lawrence Butler Oakland Athletics™ Rookie
MA-LM Luis Matos San Francisco Giants® Rookie
MA-MS Marcus Semien Texas Rangers®
MA-MW Masyn Winn St. Louis Cardinals® Rookie
MA-MY Masataka Yoshida Boston Red Sox®
MA-NG Nick Gonzales Pittsburgh Pirates® Rookie
MA-NH Nico Hoerner Chicago Cubs®
MA-NM Noelvi Marte Cincinnati Reds® Rookie
MA-NS Nolan Schanuel Angels® Rookie
MA-OB Osleivis Basabe Tampa Bay Rays™ Rookie
MA-OW Owen White Texas Rangers® Rookie
MA-PC Pete Crow-Armstrong Chicago Cubs® Rookie
MA-PS Paul Skenes Pittsburgh Pirates® Rookie
MA-RA Ronald Acuña Jr. Atlanta Braves™
MA-RM Ronny Mauricio New York Mets® Rookie
MA-SC Slade Cecconi Arizona Diamondbacks® Rookie
MA-SF Sal Frelick Milwaukee Brewers™ Rookie
MA-SH Spencer Horwitz Toronto Blue Jays® Rookie
MA-SO Shohei Ohtani Los Angeles Dodgers®
MA-SS Spencer Steer Cincinnati Reds®
MA-TT Trea Turner Philadelphia Phillies®
MA-WOL Jackson Wolf Pittsburgh Pirates® Rookie
MA-XB Xander Bogaerts San Diego Padres™
MA-ZG Zack Gelof Oakland Athletics™ Rookie
MA-ABE Adrián Beltré Texas Rangers®
MA-AD Andre Dawson Chicago Cubs®
MA-AJ Andruw Jones Atlanta Braves™
MA-AJU Aaron Judge New York Yankees®
MA-AROD Alex Rodriguez New York Yankees®
MA-ATR Alan Trammell Detroit Tigers®
MA-AV Anthony Volpe New York Yankees®
MA-BP Buster Posey San Francisco Giants®
MA-BWI Billy Williams Chicago Cubs®
MA-CA CJ Abrams Washington Nationals®
MA-CJ Chipper Jones Atlanta Braves™
MA-CMO Christopher Morel Chicago Cubs®
MA-CRJ Cal Ripken Jr. Baltimore Orioles®
MA-CU Chase Utley Philadelphia Phillies®
MA-DG Dwight Gooden New York Mets®
MA-DJ Derek Jeter New York Yankees®
MA-DO David Ortiz Boston Red Sox®
MA-DP Dave Parker Pittsburgh Pirates®
MA-DS Darryl Strawberry New York Mets®
MA-DSW Dansby Swanson Chicago Cubs®
MA-DW David Wright New York Mets®
MA-EL Evan Longoria Arizona Diamondbacks®
MA-EM Edgar Martinez Seattle Mariners™
MA-EMU Eddie Murray Baltimore Orioles®
MA-FJ Fergie Jenkins Chicago Cubs®
MA-FM Fred McGriff Tampa Bay Devil Rays™
MA-FTO Frank Thomas Chicago White Sox®
MA-FV Fernando Valenzuela Los Angeles Dodgers®
MA-GB George Brett Kansas City Royals®
MA-GM Greg Maddux Atlanta Braves™
MA-GS Gary Sheffield New York Yankees®
MA-I Ichiro Seattle Mariners™
MA-IH Ian Happ Chicago Cubs®
MA-IR Ivan Rodriguez Florida Marlins™
MA-JAB Jim Abbott New York Yankees®
MA-JCA Joe Carter Toronto Blue Jays®
MA-JCH Jazz Chisholm Jr. Miami Marlins®
MA-JG Juan Gonzalez Texas Rangers®
MA-JHL Jung Hoo Lee San Francisco Giants® Rookie
MA-JJ Josh Jung Texas Rangers®
MA-JK Jason Kendall Pittsburgh Pirates®
MA-JP Jim Palmer Baltimore Orioles®
MA-JRAM José Ramírez Cleveland Guardians™
MA-JRO Jimmy Rollins Philadelphia Phillies®
MA-JROD Julio Rodríguez Seattle Mariners™
MA-JSM John Smoltz Atlanta Braves™
MA-JTR J.T. Realmuto Philadelphia Phillies®
MA-KHA Ke'Bryan Hayes Pittsburgh Pirates®
MA-KHE Keith Hernandez New York Mets®
MA-LC Luis Castillo Seattle Mariners™
MA-LR Luis Robert Jr. Chicago White Sox®
MA-LS Lee Smith Chicago Cubs®
MA-LT Lane Thomas Washington Nationals®
MA-LW Larry Walker Colorado Rockies™
MA-MG Mark Grace Chicago Cubs®
MA-MMC Mark McGwire Oakland Athletics™
MA-MMU Max Muncy Los Angeles Dodgers®
MA-MPI Mike Piazza New York Mets®
MA-MT Mike Trout Angels®
MA-NE Nathan Eovaldi Texas Rangers®
MA-NR Nolan Ryan New York Mets®
MA-OA Ozzie Albies Atlanta Braves™
MA-PB Patrick Bailey San Francisco Giants®
MA-PO Paul O'Neill New York Yankees®
MA-RC Roger Clemens New York Yankees®
MA-RJ Randy Johnson New York Yankees®
MA-RJA Reggie Jackson Oakland Athletics™
MA-RLE Royce Lewis Minnesota Twins®
MA-SB Shane Bieber Cleveland Guardians™
MA-SG Steve Garvey Los Angeles Dodgers®
MA-SI Shōta Imanaga Chicago Cubs® Rookie
MA-SK Sandy Koufax Los Angeles Dodgers®
MA-SR Scott Rolen Philadelphia Phillies®
MA-SSO Sammy Sosa Chicago Cubs®
MA-THU Torii Hunter Minnesota Twins®
MA-TO Tony Oliva Minnesota Twins®
MA-TR Tim Raines Montréal Expos™
MA-TSI Ted Simmons St. Louis Cardinals®
MA-VG Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Toronto Blue Jays®
MA-YM Yuki Matsui San Diego Padres™ Rookie
MA-YY Yoshinobu Yamamoto Los Angeles Dodgers® Rookie
MA-JFO Justin Foscue Texas Rangers® Rookie
MA-JJO Jared Jones Pittsburgh Pirates® Rookie
MA-JLE Jack Leiter Texas Rangers® Rookie
MINI NON BASEBALL AUTOGRAPH CARDS
MA-BK Bryan Kienlen
MA-CT Chris Tamburello
MA-CW Charlie Wachtel
MA-DD Dude Dad
MA-DF Danielle Fishel
MA-DK Derrick Kosinski
MA-DKEN Dustin Kensrue
MA-DR Dianna Russini
MA-DSO Dan Soder
MA-DVK Daniel Van Kirk
MA-DY Daddy Yankee
MA-EB Eddie Breckenridge
MA-GA Greg Attonito
MA-GR George Rebelo
MA-JAL Jason Aldean
MA-JLI Joe List
MA-JPR Jeff Probst
MA-JSW Jeremy Swift
MA-JTA Jax Taylor
MA-KL Katie Ledecky
MA-KLA The Kid Laroi
MA-KW Kelsie Whitmore
MA-LV Lilia Vu
MA-MF Mark Feinsand
MA-MTO Myke Towers
MA-PST Pete Steinkopf
MA-Q Quavo
MA-RB Riley Breckenridge
MA-RK Robert Kelly
MA-RMU Ryan Murphy
MA-RS Rider Strong
MA-SL Shin Lim
MA-SSM Sophia Smith
MA-SUD Miki Sudo
MA-SWA Mallory Swanson
MA-TJT TJ Therrien
MA-TRA Todd Radom
MA-TROB Tim Robinson
MA-TSC Travis Scott
MA-TTE Teppei Teranishi
MA-UB Usain Bolt
MA-WF Will Friedle
MA-XS Xander Schauffele
MA-ZGI Zach Gilford
MA-AS Alex Sarr
MA-AT Andrew Tkaczyk
MA-CN Chuck Norris
MA-CWI Caleb Williams
MA-DM Drake Maye
MA-ETH Erika Thompson
MA-JD Jayden Daniels
MA-JDA John Daly
MA-MB Metro Boomin
MA-NC Nicky Cass
MA-RD Rob Dillingham
MA-SS Sheryl Swoopes
MA-ZR Zaccharie Risacher

[ThoseBackPages]

gambling addiction aint cheap!

[Boredlawyer]

What is going on with the odds here?

18 packs per box.

(1/23) + (1/58) + (1/114) packs odds Baseball auto.

(1/35) + (1/71) + (1/306) packs odds for non-baseball auto

= Roughly 2.07 autos per 18 pack box; but advertised as one per box? Am I supposed to trust "1 mini autograph per box", or the stated odds, which translate to 2 autos per box?

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

What is going on with the odds here?

18 packs per box.

(1/23) + (1/58) + (1/114) packs odds Baseball auto.

(1/35) + (1/71) + (1/306) packs odds for non-baseball auto

= Roughly 2.07 autos per 18 pack box; but advertised as one per box? Am I supposed to trust "1 mini autograph per box", or the stated odds, which translate to 2 autos per box?

Two autos per box would make this ALOT more palatable. Wish it was not this ambiguous though.