Brock Purdy the newest QB hype

[boxbuster7]

I was a big purdy supporter in 22/23 but this season he has stunk

no other way to put it

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I have zero problems 'investing' in a guy that got his team to a championship 2 yrs in a row

Clect what you love.

Respectfully.

Originally Posted by tjforce

Brock is now 1-5 in his career without Trent Williams in the lineup.

I've been pretty pro-Brock Purdy for a while (not enough to touch any of his cards, but enough to think he has a future as a solid starter and the chance to develop into a very good one if things go the right way, but man, last night was tough).

The thing that's throwing me off is how remarkably inconsistent he's been this year. For example, here are his QBRs the last 7 games:

10.9
76.1
81.7
81.5
12.0
97.1
20.6

That is all over the place, with 3-4 excellent games and 3 terrible ones. That kind of inconsistency is rare, for good and bad

Which leads me back to my original point. He thrived his first two years in what most would consider an idyllic environment. Handed the keys to dad's GT3RS for the drivers permit exam. A roster fresh off an NFCC appearance that only got bolstered by a top 3rb.

Yet he still showed small glimpses of why he was drafted in the 6th round. Noticeably accuracy issues even with a clean pocket.


Almost every star QB this year is dealing with issues. Be it losing key pieces in last years' FA, injury(ies), or underperforming offensive/defensive pieces. Like you said, excuses only get you so far.

I'd say the biggest difference with Brock is that good-to-great qb's have skillsets that can circumvent or minimize the effects of their surrounding cast. Jury's out on whether Brock's on that list.

But his first year facing some real adversity and he's not exactly showing out.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Clect what you love.

Respectfully.





Which leads me back to my original point. He thrived his first two years in what most would consider an idyllic environment. Handed the keys to dad's GT3RS for the drivers permit exam. A roster fresh off an NFCC appearance that only got bolstered by a top 3rb.

Yet he still showed small glimpses of why he was drafted in the 6th round. Noticeably accuracy issues even with a clean pocket.


Almost every star QB this year is dealing with issues. Be it losing key pieces in last years' FA, injury(ies), or underperforming offensive/defensive pieces. Like you said, excuses only get you so far.

I'd say the biggest difference with Brock is that good-to-great qb's have skillsets that can circumvent or minimize the effects of their surrounding cast. Jury's out on whether Brock's on that list.

But his first year facing some real adversity and he's not exactly showing out.

Well that's where I give him credit. Not everybody could operate as effectively as he did with all those weapons around him. He did his job, where I don't think a guy like Jameis Winston could.

But it's a different skill set to have to carry your team week in and week out, and he hasn't really shown it this year.

[jplarson]

Kind of amazing that for a player drafted as Mr. Irrelevant he's the third most talked about topic in BO Football history.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Well that's where I give him credit. Not everybody could operate as effectively as he did with all those weapons around him. He did his job, where I don't think a guy like Jameis Winston could.

But it's a different skill set to have to carry your team week in and week out, and he hasn't really shown it this year.

Which is why I stated he's far from a bad qb. Trey Lance was bad. Brock at least displayed the IQ required to keep the v12 motor running without doing something catastrophic.

The real question now is, exactly how much better than a league average qb is he without a beastly run game and fully healthy top tier receiving corp? I believe I read that they've now gone from a top 5 redzone offense last year to near bottom this year. What's the biggest denominator there? CMC.

Pretty much the same exact issue that exists with Dak and Dallas since they let Pollard walk.

[Delta5]

The most damning thing is that without Trent, Brock looks like Mac Jones V2 out there. Remember, Jimmy G took those core players to SB while having non-rookie contract, Purdy also took them to SB with CMC. Let's see what purdy can do with 55m contracts, but so far it's not looking good. He's average QB at best, there's a reason he's picked 7th round

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Kind of amazing that for a player drafted as Mr. Irrelevant he's the third most talked about topic in BO Football history.

Well, he's playing for arguably the most popular franchise on NFL

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Which is why I stated he's far from a bad qb. Trey Lance was bad. Brock at least displayed the IQ required to keep the v12 motor running without doing something catastrophic.

The real question now is, exactly how much better than a league average qb is he without a beastly run game and fully healthy top tier receiving corp? I believe I read that they've now gone from a top 5 redzone offense last year to near bottom this year. What's the biggest denominator there? CMC.

Pretty much the same exact issue that exists with Dak and Dallas since they let Pollard walk.

He's average league QB at best, so that puts him at 16th best in the NFL. Def serviceable but not for 55m

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Delta5

He's average league QB at best, so that puts him at 16th best in the NFL. Def serviceable but not for 55m

I'd conjecture he's probably around 13-16 as well, assuming he'd be placed on a roster lacking a spoil of riches. Strikes me as a prototypic example of a system qb.

But a lot of this is hypothetical and he should be given at least another full year to prove whether or not this was a fluky season of regression. Unfortunately SF prob won't have the luxury or seeing that additional trial year before making their decision.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'd conjecture he's probably around 13-16 as well, assuming he'd be placed on a roster lacking a spoil of riches. Strikes me as a prototypic example of a system qb.

But a lot of this is hypothetical and he should be given at least another full year to prove whether or not this was a fluky season of regression. Unfortunately SF prob won't have the luxury or seeing that additional trial year before making their decision.

Yup, the only thing going for him is his age, Aint no way someone should pay him over Baker and Baker only got 30 mil or so

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Yup, the only thing going for him is his age, Aint no way someone should pay him over Baker and Baker only got 30 mil or so

If the Raiders gave Jimmy 23 m's on the wrong side of 30, it's all but guaranteed someone's going to pony up big $$ for the Purdy hopium even after this down year.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

If the Raiders gave Jimmy 23 m's on the wrong side of 30, it's all but guaranteed someone's going to pony up big $$ for the Purdy hopium even after this down year.

of course, thats why 49ers should let him walk and let Purdy implode someone else's franchise. We'll see

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Delta5

of course, thats why 49ers should let him walk and let Purdy implode someone else's franchise. We'll see

That's the hardest part for a winning franchise to do. Especially if there's no solid contingency plan in place.

The comforting part is that there's no real powerhouse in the division, and they've managed to still make the NFCCG and Super Bowl with not highly regarded draft prospects as their qb's.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

That's the hardest part for a winning franchise to do. Especially if there's no solid contingency plan in place.

The comforting part is that there's no real powerhouse in the division, and they've managed to still make the NFCCG and Super Bowl with not highly regarded draft prospects as their qb's.

I can only count 4 QBs where paying max wont hinder your SB chance. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Lamar. Luckily they are all on AFC

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Delta5

of course, thats why 49ers should let him walk and let Purdy implode someone else's franchise. We'll see

Resigning Purdy to a monster contract is gonna set the franchise back at least a decade. They will turn into the new raiders of Northern California.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Well, he's playing for arguably the most popular franchise on NFL

[boxbuster7]

It isn't even close what the most popular franchise is

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by Delta5

He's average league QB at best, so that puts him at 16th best in the NFL. Def serviceable but not for 55m

Alright, so currently the 16th highest paid NFL QB is Kirk Cousins who signed a 4 year, $160 million with Atlanta.

So if you want to pay Purdy as the 16th highest QB, no, you won't have to pay him $55m/year.

You'll have to pay him $41m/year.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Yup, the only thing going for him is his age, Aint no way someone should pay him over Baker and Baker only got 30 mil or so

Again, did Baker lead his team to two championships and a Super Bowl? Was he a play away from winning the Super Bowl? Nope of course not, not even close. Purdy > Baker and deserves more

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Alright, so currently the 16th highest paid NFL QB is Kirk Cousins who signed a 4 year, $160 million with Atlanta.

So if you want to pay Purdy as the 16th highest QB, no, you won't have to pay him $55m/year.

You'll have to pay him $41m/year.

Purdy will command way more than that cause some dum dum GM will overpay for him north 50m and 49ers either hsve to mstch or let him walk

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Again, did Baker lead his team to two championships and a Super Bowl? Was he a play away from winning the Super Bowl? Nope of course not, not even close. Purdy > Baker and deserves more

No, but he didnt have 49ers roster. Tell me which position Tampa is better on. Remember, Jimmy G brought 49ers also to SB, is he also better than Lamar, Allen, hell even Baker?

with your logic Nick Foles is better than 90% of QB, so does Jimmy G

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Delta5

No, but he didnt have 49ers roster. Tell me which position Tampa is better on. Remember, Jimmy G brought 49ers also to SB, is he also better than Lamar, Allen, hell even Baker?

with your logic Nick Foles is better than 90% of QB, so does Jimmy G

You don't get to pick and choose which details apply, which players are where. Purdy brought his team to the verge of the promise land 2 yrs in a row. Baker is a one and done playoff guy- that's just who he is. Purdy will get PAID by SF or someone else. He has the resume that Baker doesn't. It's that simple. Therefore he deserves more than Baker, and will get it

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

You don't get to pick and choose which details apply, which players are where. Purdy brought his team to the verge of the promise land 2 yrs in a row. Baker is a one and done playoff guy- that's just who he is. Purdy will get PAID by SF or someone else. He has the resume that Baker doesn't. It's that simple. Therefore he deserves more than Baker, and will get it

brought is a strong word. I honestly dont know what you see from his playoff run that wowed you. I agree with you Purdy will be paid more than Baker, but thats solely because of age and Baker stock was very low before Tampa signed him, I bet you even Baker will get way more after what he showed these last couple of seasons

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

You don't get to pick and choose which details apply, which players are where. Purdy brought his team to the verge of the promise land 2 yrs in a row. Baker is a one and done playoff guy- that's just who he is. Purdy will get PAID by SF or someone else. He has the resume that Baker doesn't. It's that simple. Therefore he deserves more than Baker, and will get it

No matter who the conversation is about, this dude always finds a way to interject Baker into the conversation.

It's equal parts creepy and pathetic.

[Grave252]

Hit a Purdy No Huddle /35 PSA 10 in a break, it sold for $660. Came from a box that had a $1,200 floor. Maybe I don’t understand the Purdy market or there isn’t a love for No Huddle, but based on other Prizm sales seems like it finished far lower than it should have.