2025 Topps Series 1 Too Early To Talk About It??

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

I absolutely expect changes once all three licenses are transferred. Think of how spoiled we are in baseball. The fact that we expect a design and a February release for a season that starts in late March. In contrast, NBA is 1/3 of the way through and not a single 24/25 NBA product has come out. NFL is 3/4 through and we are just now getting the flagship Donruss and Prizm releases in a few weeks.

If I were Fanatics, the first thing I would do is move the baseball calendar to April 1st. Series 1 on or around April 1st, Heritage 4 weeks after that, and then figure out what makes most sense through summer and into fall. Use that early year window to get NBA back on track and try not to let NFL leak past the Super Bowl.

Peak baseball starts when pitchers and catchers report. To me that's the best time to release Flagship. Then you can get Heritage in during Spring Training. I think if they wait until Opening Day they are missing out on some $. As a purely singles reseller it would be good for me if people spent their excitment on older cards, but I don't see it as making any sense for Topps.

[KhalDrogo]

It would be disastrous to move the baseball schedule back a few months. Baseball is not football/basketball. I don’t think you’re going to have the same staying power if you’re releasing the prior season’s products in the middle of the current season.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

Peak baseball starts when pitchers and catchers report. To me that's the best time to release Flagship. Then you can get Heritage in during Spring Training. I think if they wait until Opening Day they are missing out on some $. As a purely singles reseller it would be good for me if people spent their excitment on older cards, but I don't see it as making any sense for Topps.

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It would be disastrous to move the baseball schedule back a few months. Baseball is not football/basketball. I don’t think you’re going to have the same staying power if you’re releasing the prior season’s products in the middle of the current season.

I wouldn't have a problem with any of this if all three sports were aligned similarly. Prior to Covid, we had plenty of pre-season releases from all three sports in pro uniform. The Panini silver packs used to have relics from the rookie premier, for example. Plenty of NFL uniform stuff dropping in August and September. Hoops for NBA was around October?

I think pre-season is the best time to buy/sell in any sport. It's all hype at that point and hype drives sales before you even see them on the court. For as bad as 13/14 was, Anthony Bennett actually sold well before anyone got to see him play.

We've just gotten to this weird point now where everything feels late and it's screwing the whole system up. Changes are needed, for sure, even if it's just going back to how things were before Covid.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It would be disastrous to move the baseball schedule back a few months. Baseball is not football/basketball. I don’t think you’re going to have the same staying power if you’re releasing the prior season’s products in the middle of the current season.

no it would not

The addicts will addict and the breakers do as they are told.

the LCS's will bend the knee or be cut off

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

no it would not

The addicts will addict and the breakers do as they are told.

the LCS's will bend the knee or be cut off

Disagree E. Baseball is a different crowd. More legacy participants with principles. The cocaine train that Fanatics is operating will eventually come to a halt. And when it does, they’ll find out how badly they needed all those legacy participants that they drove out.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Disagree E. Baseball is a different crowd. More legacy participants with principles. The cocaine train that Fanatics is operating will eventually come to a halt. And when it does, they’ll find out how badly they needed all those legacy participants that they drove out.

"Legacy" participants will still buy their legacy products, regardless of when it comes out.

And for the other 35+ products, those legacies aren't the target market.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Disagree E. Baseball is a different crowd. More legacy participants with principles. The cocaine train that Fanatics is operating will eventually come to a halt. And when it does, they’ll find out how badly they needed all those legacy participants that they drove out.

wax addiction is not biased towards any particular sport. these addicts are addicted at all time highs. wax prices are higher than ever, and they STILL keep addicting.

youve even got addicts that pay dudes to open product FOR them on camera

you honestly believe that if 2025 Topps Chrome came out a year from now, that they wouldnt shoot up?

[Cracktoast]

I don't get what the huge deal is about when a set comes out. Most cards the only way you know the year is by looking at the stats or small print on the back unless it's sealed. Is a 2024 card released in 2025 automatically less rare than if it was released in 2024 ? IMO it is better for collectors because you have that cooling off period on the RC's who can be over hyped when they first debut and then maybe fall off. The people who complain the most are the flippers who want that max profit. Breakers could care less because in a 30 team league there is almost no way to lose money selling that many spots.

Maybe I'm just not as big of an addict as most despite my name but it literally doesn't matter to me. Stop emphasizing year and release date and just put out a nice looking quality product and the rest will work itself out.

[StlBen]

You want to release the products before the prospects/rookies bust.....the longer you wait the more of those guys are worthless the lower the demand is.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

I don't get what the huge deal is about when a set comes out. Most cards the only way you know the year is by looking at the stats or small print on the back unless it's sealed. Is a 2024 card released in 2025 automatically less rare than if it was released in 2024 ? IMO it is better for collectors because you have that cooling off period on the RC's who can be over hyped when they first debut and then maybe fall off. The people who complain the most are the flippers who want that max profit. Breakers could care less because in a 30 team league there is almost no way to lose money selling that many spots.

Maybe I'm just not as big of an addict as most despite my name but it literally doesn't matter to me. Stop emphasizing year and release date and just put out a nice looking quality product and the rest will work itself out.

Because people need something to complain about. Khal sure seems to think he speaks for the hobby, which is odd since he doesn't buy wax and bashes every product.

I have no problem with a 2024 product coming out in 2025. The baseball year isn't the calendar year. Debate over when the baseball season starts, opening day, the pitchers and catchers report, etc. The only thing I don't want to see is a 18 month release schedule that starts every 12 months. Not that it would affect my buying, as I buy older product all the time.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by StlBen

You want to release the products before the prospects/rookies bust.....the longer you wait the more of those guys are worthless the lower the demand is.

But I would say that for all three major sports. I don't get the people who think this only applies to baseball.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by StlBen

You want to release the products before the prospects/rookies bust.....the longer you wait the more of those guys are worthless the lower the demand is.

which has been the problem with football and basketball recently, no products come out until everyone realizes all the rookies are trash.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

wax addiction is not biased towards any particular sport. these addicts are addicted at all time highs. wax prices are higher than ever, and they STILL keep addicting.

youve even got addicts that pay dudes to open product FOR them on camera

you honestly believe that if 2025 Topps Chrome came out a year from now, that they wouldnt shoot up?

When the well is running dry (and it will at some point), all those people you're alluding to will be long gone. And the people that are left will care. Release timing is just one of many factors driving people away.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I have no problem with a 2024 product coming out in 2025.

The problem is that it becomes overwhelmingly confusing....especially when you are hunting for singles and have to wade through tons of mis-labelled cards/listings.

A perfect example would be 2023 Chrome Platinum Anniversary....last year it was released in May 2024, featuring the 1954 design.

It would have been much easier for Topps to simply call it "2024 TCPA", thus creating a 70-year alignment between design year and release year, and simply state that 2023 was skipped.

But instead they still decided to call it 2023 TCPA, which means that 2024 TCPA is now likely to be released sometime during the summer of 2025.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The problem is that it becomes overwhelmingly confusing....especially when you are hunting for singles and have to wade through tons of mis-labelled cards/listings.

A perfect example would be 2023 Chrome Platinum Anniversary....last year it was released in May 2024, featuring the 1954 design.

It would have been much easier for Topps to simply call it "2024 TCPA", thus creating a 70-year alignment between design year and release year, and simply state that 2023 was skipped.

But instead they still decided to call it 2023 TCPA, which means that 2024 TCPA is now likely to be released sometime during the summer of 2025.

I addressed that problem in the part of the comment you deleted. Not a fan of overlapping release calendars.

Nobody is confusing 2024 Bowman Draft Sapphire for a 2025 baseball season product.

Again, the baseball year is not the same as the calendar year. The year on the product has nothing to do with when the release date. You are hunting through mislabeled cards has nothing to do with the release date.

[Twalk1975]

Juan Soto never got a Stadium Club RC. I'm fine with them doing stuff like flagship, Chrome and Heritage the first half of the year since they all get updates in the second half. They can push everything else to August or even early the following year.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

When the well is running dry (and it will at some point), all those people you're alluding to will be long gone. And the people that are left will care. Release timing is just one of many factors driving people away.

ive been waiting for the gambling addiction aka breaking culture to "end" since 2014

sure it will eventually, but that may be 15 years from now

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ive been waiting for the gambling addiction aka breaking culture to "end" since 2014

sure it will eventually, but that may be 15 years from now

We haven’t had truly tough times since 2008-09. They will come.

[anusinha]

FWIW, UD just released a 22/23 hockey product.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

We haven’t had truly tough times since 2008-09. They will come.

#ThanksTopps

[rudan007]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ive been waiting for the gambling addiction aka breaking culture to "end" since 2014

sure it will eventually, but that may be 15 years from now

The need for nonstop releases is a big problem some do not see as an issue(including MLB). MLB/Fanatics see the gambling/breaking culture as a cash cow and will milk that cow as long as possible.

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by jjcan

I am pretty sure we are going to get some

Soto Met Rookie SP
Blake Snell Dodger rookies SP
Livy Dunn Pirates SP rookie
Maybe get some Shohei Wife Rookie card SP

Stuff like that to Make Series 1 the best 2025 Topps set ever.

When does the Stephen A. Smith Topps-X box come out ? Most important question.

Shhh…don’t give Topps any ideas. How much you wanna bet Livvy appears in a golden mirror image of Skenes or something else like a dual insert auto? I just hope the base cards don’t have black edges anymore. Either that or hopefully Topps figures out how to make a black edge withstand their packing. Although, I guess as I think it was Geoff Wilson that said it, PSA 10 pop report will be low despite high print run! 🤷#@♂️

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by rudan007

The need for nonstop releases is a big problem some do not see as an issue(including MLB). MLB/Fanatics see the gambling/breaking culture as a cash cow and will milk that cow as long as possible.

for sure! they need to keep the addicts supplied!

[ObanMontecristo]

I don’t think it will end…. when one person decides they’ve had enough and stops, another will step in to replace them. The gambling market is much bigger than the card collecting market, and they’re exploiting that.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Shhh…don’t give Topps any ideas. How much you wanna bet Livvy appears in a golden mirror image of Skenes or something else like a dual insert auto? I just hope the base cards don’t have black edges anymore. Either that or hopefully Topps figures out how to make a black edge withstand their packing. Although, I guess as I think it was Geoff Wilson that said it, PSA 10 pop report will be low despite high print run! ��#@♂️

Base Flagship is printed to infinity and beyond. Even with a tricky to grade boarder, the pop counts for any big RC will be high, and will get even higher if any of the values for a bad PSA 10 begin to rise.

Also, in general, I wouldn’t bother paying attention to anything Geoff Wilson says.