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Old 12-23-2024, 07:49 PM   #676
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Goff was pretty much in the mix until he eliminated himself after that 5int game
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Old 12-23-2024, 07:58 PM   #677
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Can't really use record if Goff has a better record and has more yards, more yards/attempt, better completion %, more TD's and a better rating than Allen and yet Allen is -550 and Goff is +2000.

Not worth debating at this point anyways since the media has already called it.
Is it...MVP...Most Valuable Player...or BSP...Best Statistical Player..

Yes..stats play a huge part...as well as team record so on and so forth..

IF you take Lamar off the Ravens..for injury or whatever..and still with Henry..do they still win games?

If you take Goff off the Lions...with Gibbs/Monty (yes I know injured now) and Amon Ra...do they still win games?

Yes obviously It would be harder to win..

Now..take Allen off the Bills and what would happen?

As someone else said, he's basically taking the team on his back and elevating the players around him

Obviously you won't agree, but hey that's how opinions work
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Old 12-23-2024, 08:23 PM   #678
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Is it...MVP...Most Valuable Player...or BSP...Best Statistical Player..

Yes..stats play a huge part...as well as team record so on and so forth..

IF you take Lamar off the Ravens..for injury or whatever..and still with Henry..do they still win games?

If you take Goff off the Lions...with Gibbs/Monty (yes I know injured now) and Amon Ra...do they still win games?

Yes obviously It would be harder to win..

Now..take Allen off the Bills and what would happen?

As someone else said, he's basically taking the team on his back and elevating the players around him

Obviously you won't agree, but hey that's how opinions work
It's not necessarily that I don't agree. I do think Allen is having a great year. But I also think that if Lamar didn't already win it twice, there is no way his odds would be what they are. And I also don't think that it's a runaway like the media is making it out to be. I'm fine with Allen winning, just don't think it's as clear cut as some are making it.
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Old 12-25-2024, 06:30 PM   #679
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Getting closer in betting odds -
Allen -350
Lamar +250

Edit - 2 minutes later
Allen -175
Lamar +150
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Old 12-25-2024, 06:46 PM   #680
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Allen needs a MVP/1st team all pro/SB appearance pretty bad. Otherwise he's going to sink down to/below Cam Newton prices when he retires.
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Old 12-25-2024, 07:40 PM   #681
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Big question is how much Allen even plays now. He has nothing to play for at this point.
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Old 12-25-2024, 07:53 PM   #682
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How is Lamar not in the lead for MVP? Factoring in possible voter fatigue?
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Old 12-25-2024, 08:08 PM   #683
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How is Lamar not in the lead for MVP? Factoring in possible voter fatigue?
Basically. He leads Allen in every category. Personally I think he would have a substantial lead if he hadn't already won twice. Odds changed significantly today though
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Old 12-25-2024, 08:11 PM   #684
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How is Lamar not in the lead for MVP? Factoring in possible voter fatigue?
He has Henry.
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Old 12-25-2024, 08:38 PM   #685
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How is Lamar not in the lead for MVP? Factoring in possible voter fatigue?
His team isn't a top two seed in the AFC.
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Old 12-25-2024, 08:41 PM   #686
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How is Lamar not in the lead for MVP? Factoring in possible voter fatigue?
Wasn’t leading his division.. that’s changed today
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Old 12-25-2024, 09:03 PM   #687
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It's crazy Lamar could have 3 MVPs and his value could go down with another playoff exit.
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Old 12-25-2024, 09:04 PM   #688
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Did Allen’s O-Line just jinx him?




If Allen has another game against the Jets like he had last week, you are going to see the odds further narrow. Plus, there’s the possibility that they lock up the two seed this weekend and he sits the last weekend (which will create a bigger gap statistically with Lamar and others)


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Old 12-25-2024, 09:58 PM   #689
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Allen needs a MVP/1st team all pro/SB appearance pretty bad. Otherwise he's going to sink down to/below Cam Newton prices when he retires.
Most qb wins in first 7 years?
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I have a few different lamar for MVP tickets open still, things got a bit tighter today.
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I see another big game from Lamar next weekend. The Jets defense is a lot more formidable than the Browns'. Allen is also banged up.
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Josh needs to close strong this week. Really interesting considering seeds will lock if bills won tonight and technically both should sit next week.
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The media has pushed for Allen to win. I don’t think that narrative can outpace Lamar’s remarkable season any longer. Allen has inferior stats and merely helped get his team to 1-2 more wins in a terrible division. It would be different if Allen had Burrow’s numbers. Lamar will likely finish with a division title, 4k pass yards, 40 pass TDs (10:1 TD/Int ratio), and 900 rush yards (already has the 8th most yards for a QB in a season).
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The media has pushed for Allen to win. I don’t think that narrative can outpace Lamar’s remarkable season any longer. Allen has inferior stats and merely helped get his team to 1-2 more wins in a terrible division. It would be different if Allen had Burrow’s numbers. Lamar will likely finish with a division title, 4k pass yards, 40 pass TDs (10:1 TD/Int ratio), and 900 rush yards (already has the 8th most yards for a QB in a season).
Oh wow, they are giving the MVP to the guy not with the best stats but a better record! The last time it happened was let's see... Last year, lol
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Oh, right. I guess Mahomes is getting his 3rd MVP…
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Most qb wins in first 7 years?
Doesn't mean much if you don't win anything else. Russell Wilson/Daryle Lamonica hold the record now with less games in a season. When anyone talks about those 2 that stat wouldn't even come up in the conversation.
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Oh, right. I guess Mahomes is getting his 3rd MVP…
Sorry, at least 30 tds to qualify
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Doesn't mean much if you don't win anything else. Russell Wilson/Daryle Lamonica hold the record now with less games in a season. When anyone talks about those 2 that stat wouldn't even come up in the conversation.
yeah you're right, but he's a better version of Cam Newton come on now. Cam was just flash in the pan and only really good for that 1 year during that SB run. Allen has been good for what? 4 years now
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Sorry, at least 30 tds to qualify
Havent heard from you in the Mahomes forum.. glad to see your OK and posting on BO
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Havent heard from you in the Mahomes forum.. glad to see your OK and posting on BO
I said my piece, see you in the playoff
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