🏈 🏈 🏈 2024 EVERYTHING COLLEGE FOOTBALL Utopian Discussion Thread 🏈 🏈 🏈

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

We appreciate the love.

Though, if I’m being honest, going down swinging against Texas was probably the single best (realistic) outcome for the tournament. If they had pulled the upset and then lost by 50 to Ohio State, I think a lot of the excitement for the season gets undone.

ASU is the peoples champ

Everyone hates Ohio State (I know they have the largest alumni base but everyone else that doesn’t live in Ohio or went to school here)

Texas annoys everyone just because

I’ve never heard of anyone that likes Penn State

Only Yankee fans like Notre Dame

Arizona State did their job

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Why would you not want to see a game that finished on a 4th and goal a half yard from the endzone. OSU hung on by a thread to win that game or are you worried that seeing another physical team isn’t conducive for OSU ?

OSU came a lot closer to losing to PSU then OSU beating Oregon in the first game.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

NCAA once again considering giving athletes in all sports five years of eligibility.

Interesting. They already let some players go for 6, 7 and even 9 years (Miami TE). I wonder what the reasoning is, though. Is this to give them an extra year to maximize their NIL earnings, especially for those that won't go on to play at the next level?

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

NCAA once again considering giving athletes in all sports five years of eligibility.

In case they switch majors and still want to play sports while finishing their degree?

[SethMurphy]

They already ruled that JUCO years don't count towards eligibility. So realistically, a college player can already play for 6, maybe 7 with a grad transfer before even considering moving on to the NFL.

We are going to start seeing more players get drafted at 24 and 25 than 21 or 22. NIL earnings plus the freedom to keep transferring will keep players in college. The 6th and 7th round of drafts are going to be absolutely terrible going forward. The depth of the draft is what's going to suffer.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by SethMurphy

They already ruled that JUCO years don't count towards eligibility. So realistically, a college player can already play for 6, maybe 7 with a grad transfer before even considering moving on to the NFL.

We are going to start seeing more players get drafted at 24 and 25 than 21 or 22. NIL earnings plus the freedom to keep transferring will keep players in college. The 6th and 7th round of drafts are going to be absolutely terrible going forward. The depth of the draft is what's going to suffer.

Agree with what you say about NIL earnings and unrestricted transfers keeping players in college longer. We thought the flexibility offered with Covid was bad, but now it's going to be worse. Some college players are probably making more with NIL than they would as NFL rookies. Saw something last night saying the Tulane QB was offered $8M NIL money to transfer to another school.

[TheFrenzy]

Hella tempted to wear a Skattebo jersey to the Cotton Bowl next week.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

NCAA once again considering giving athletes in all sports five years of eligibility.

This is in response to the lawsuit Diego Pavia won (ok technically he didn't win his lawsuit but he got the temporary injunction he was seeking giving himself more eligibility).

The NCAA sees the writing on the wall. The problem is that now that playing in college football is a profession, it is illegal to arbitrarily limit someone's earnings by imposing a maximum amount of time they can work. It would be like the NFL saying to Tom Brady in 2015 "ok nobody is allowed to play more than 15 years so you have to retire now." Such a declaration is simply not legal.

I predict we are going to see more and more court challenges to the concept of limiting eligibility - and I don't see the NCAA having any legal ground upon which to stand.

[AwesomeBrian]

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

This is in response to the lawsuit Diego Pavia won (ok technically he didn't win his lawsuit but he got the temporary injunction he was seeking giving himself more eligibility).

The NCAA sees the writing on the wall. The problem is that now that playing in college football is a profession, it is illegal to arbitrarily limit someone's earnings by imposing a maximum amount of time they can work. It would be like the NFL saying to Tom Brady in 2015 "ok nobody is allowed to play more than 15 years so you have to retire now." Such a declaration is simply not legal.

I predict we are going to see more and more court challenges to the concept of limiting eligibility - and I don't see the NCAA having any legal ground upon which to stand.

Right, with somebody like Pavia, you would want the extra NIL years in college. He isn't getting drafted so an extra year of college will maximize his football earnings. A lot of fringe players will have to make a decision on whether they can make more in college or start the NFL clock.

[TheFrenzy]

I’m of the side of the parity forces and my hope is that ten years from now we’ve got a 16-team playoff where all 16 teams are legitimate contenders with star players.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I’m of the side of the parity forces and my hope is that ten years from now we’ve got a 16-team playoff where all 16 teams are legitimate contenders with star players.

Very well could happen. I can see a scenario where the top 48 programs branch off into their own conference. Playoffs will just be a matter of records for seeding with two divisions. Maybe even have some caps with NIL or whatever. It will essentially be the NFL model for those 48 teams. You will still get some of the same teams dominating of course, but the playing field theoretically would be more even.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Very well could happen. I can see a scenario where the top 48 programs branch off into their own conference. Playoffs will just be a matter of records for seeding with two divisions. Maybe even have some caps with NIL or whatever. It will essentially be the NFL model for those 48 teams. You will still get some of the same teams dominating of course, but the playing field theoretically would be more even.

If the money is there it will happen eventually. SEC + B1G + top programs from the Big XII and ACC.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Very well could happen. I can see a scenario where the top 48 programs branch off into their own conference. Playoffs will just be a matter of records for seeding with two divisions. Maybe even have some caps with NIL or whatever. It will essentially be the NFL model for those 48 teams. You will still get some of the same teams dominating of course, but the playing field theoretically would be more even.

A big part of me hopes this never happens. A friend of mine has a son playing at one of the G5 schools and just finished his freshman year. I'm excited for him as his son's team will get to play at some of the big P4 schools in the upcoming 3 years. What an experience for a kid from a small town who will likely never get to play in the NFL. Hate to see this kind of experience taken away if all the big schools break off and set up a league of their own where they only play each other.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

A big part of me hopes this never happens. A friend of mine has a son playing at one of the G5 schools and just finished his freshman year. I'm excited for him as his son's team will get to play at some of the big P4 schools in the upcoming 3 years. What an experience for a kid from a small town who will likely never get to play in the NFL. Hate to see this kind of experience taken away if all the big schools break off and set up a league of their own where they only play each other.

Also, the budget. I know WMU makes up a good chunk of their athletic revenue from the MSU/UM beat down.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Also, the budget. I know WMU makes up a good chunk of their athletic revenue from the MSU/UM beat down.

No doubt the G5 schools rely on those paychecks. That's why it's not uncommon to see half of their non-conference games being played on the road at one of the P4 schools. Without those funds, I wonder how many of those programs survive which will then trickle down to their non-revenue sports.

[asujbl]

I’m going to be more fascinated by one year runs vs sustainable runs

Does ASU all of a sudden have some giant NIL collective (they won’t)… but how do they buy and retain?

So can Dillingham recruit and retain? Imagine is Skatt was a junior and wanted paid… could they keep him? Obviously a stand up dude but money talks

Can Ohio State pony up another 20-25 next year when Smith alone will cost 5-10?

If Allar keeps playing well, there a rumors he is going to change his mind and go pro with how he’s playing, who can Penn State buy as a replacement?

Can Indiana get funding? Can Boise buy anyone to replace Jeantty?

Sustainability is fascinating to me compared to some teams just going all in

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I’m going to be more fascinated by one year runs vs sustainable runs

Does ASU all of a sudden have some giant NIL collective (they won’t)… but how do they buy and retain?

So can Dillingham recruit and retain? Imagine is Skatt was a junior and wanted paid… could they keep him? Obviously a stand up dude but money talks

Can Ohio State pony up another 20-25 next year when Smith alone will cost 5-10?

If Allar keeps playing well, there a rumors he is going to change his mind and go pro with how he’s playing, who can Penn State buy as a replacement?

Can Indiana get funding? Can Boise buy anyone to replace Jeantty?

Sustainability is fascinating to me compared to some teams just going all in

Snagging Kanye Udoh from Army was a huge win looking toward 2025. With Leavitt and Tyson continuing to develop, the skill players could be awesome.

However, I have a gut feeling Dilly is feeling most relieved getting senior kicker Jesús Gómez (Eastern Michigan) from the portal. Scoring points from field goals was virtually a non-option for the coaching staff most of the season, so I can't wait to see the outcomes with a basic element of football once again available for the game plan.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Snagging Kanye Udoh from Army was a huge win looking toward 2025. With Leavitt and Tyson continuing to develop, the skill players could be awesome.

However, I have a gut feeling Dilly is feeling most relieved getting senior kicker Jesús Gómez (Eastern Michigan) from the portal. Scoring points from field goals was virtually a non-option for the coaching staff most of the season, so I can't wait to see the outcomes with a basic element of football once again available for the game plan.

Definitely a great add

I’m just curious how it goes moving forward (and that applies to 100 teams not named like 5 brands)

Can ASU keep together a 10-20 million dollar squad? Because without a Skatt like transfer that’s still what it takes

SMU has money so they will be fine

But there are lots in that 10-25 range where the drop off in funding is huge

[Scottish Punk]

Isn't the one time push in the chips the way to go for these smaller schools? Recruit and build like mad. When you get a generational player and a good foundation. Go out and go over budget for a year and make a run. Bring in more talent. You may not win the playoff game, but one could argue that making the tournament is a national championship to that school. Especially a G5 school. Make a big splash for a year and hopefully that ups your profile a bit to carry over for the next 4-5 years or whatever.

Indiana is not going to be some new Big Ten powerhouse. This year did more for the program than the last twenty years combined. But, I don't see NIL and facilities to suddenly match Oregon, OSU, UM, etc.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Isn't the one time push in the chips the way to go for these smaller schools? Recruit and build like mad. When you get a generational player and a good foundation. Go out and go over budget for a year and make a run. Bring in more talent. You may not win the playoff game, but one could argue that making the tournament is a national championship to that school. Especially a G5 school. Make a big splash for a year and hopefully that ups your profile a bit to carry over for the next 4-5 years or whatever.

Indiana is not going to be some new Big Ten powerhouse. This year did more for the program than the last twenty years combined. But, I don't see NIL and facilities to suddenly match Oregon, OSU, UM, etc.

That’s what I’m curious about

The one time all in makes sense to me but if it doesn’t work? Why would I go back it I’m an NIL donor?

I don’t know the answers to these questions. That’s why I’m fascinated by it as an OSU (all the money in the world) and ASU (should have more money than they do… but the alumni base is weak) fan

I hope ASU can keep it rolling

But if they went hypothetically 7-5 next year would you be shocked? I wouldn’t be

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Alabama Jones is not amused.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I hope ASU can keep it rolling

But if they went hypothetically 7-5 next year would you be shocked? I wouldn’t be

There's genuine reason for optimism given that at no point in the season outside of the 1st quarter of the Peach Bowl did ASU look outmatched by anyone.

Every game they played this year was either close or a blowout in their favor. That's the sign of a great coaching staff.

The loss to Texas Tech was a not-unexpected road loss because Lubbock has been the voodoo capital of the Big XII for decades. Growing up, Texas and Oklahoma hated having to play there. But even that game was close and they had a chance to win.

The Cincy loss is the one that stung the most because we were missing our QB and that was the game we learned that we didn't have any kind of kicking game.

As someone who watched every single game, we played in nine "could have gone either way" games (counting the Peach Bowl) and we won six of them. It was fantastic and, honestly, pretty magical to watch.

That said, if the breaks go the other way in 2025, we could just as easily lose six of those nine.

My take at this point is that the 2025 team will have less magic on their side, but they should also need less of it given that the team is now winning in the portal more than losing, it's retained the coaching staff with incentive-laden contracts, the young talent is continuing to develop, and the Valley is genuinely getting excited. In my eight years here at ASU, I've hardly ever seen students getting excited for sports—especially sports over the break. But this Peach Bowl team had students buzzing with excitement and the close loss has put a chip on their shoulder. I really do think we'll see the student section staying full at games unlike previous seasons.

I would be disappointed with 5 losses, but I could see 4 losses as reasonable. My expectation at this point in January is three losses in 2025.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

There's genuine reason for optimism given that at no point in the season outside of the 1st quarter of the Peach Bowl did ASU look outmatched by anyone.

Every game they played this year was either close or a blowout in their favor. That's the sign of a great coaching staff.

The loss to Texas Tech was a not-unexpected road loss because Lubbock has been the voodoo capital of the Big XII for decades. Growing up, Texas and Oklahoma hated having to play there. But even that game was close and they had a chance to win.

The Cincy loss is the one that stung the most because we were missing our QB and that was the game we learned that we didn't have any kind of kicking game.

As someone who watched every single game, we played in nine "could have gone either way" games (counting the Peach Bowl) and we won six of them. It was fantastic and, honestly, pretty magical to watch.

That said, if the breaks go the other way in 2025, we could just as easily lose six of those nine.

My take at this point is that the 2025 team will have less magic on their side, but they should also need less of it given that the team is now winning in the portal more than losing, it's retained the coaching staff with incentive-laden contracts, the young talent is continuing to develop, and the Valley is genuinely getting excited. In my eight years here at ASU, I've hardly ever seen students getting excited for sports—especially sports over the break. But this Peach Bowl team had students buzzing with excitement and the close loss has put a chip on their shoulder. I really do think we'll see the student section staying full at games unlike previous seasons.

I would be disappointed with 5 losses, but I could see 4 losses as reasonable. My expectation at this point in January is three losses in 2025.

I’ll read this because I like you but my god dude. Shorten it up

Also don’t make me look up what Skatt did in these games. You seem to be ignoring that point of what I’m saying and who you buy to replace him…

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I’ll read this because I like you but my god dude. Shorten it up

Less magic, but more talent and stability in 2025.

3 losses should be the bar at this point.