Collectors are sleeping on Lamar Jackson

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

I don't get the comparisons to Vick either other than they both had the ability to run.

Their impact on a game are not equal.

Why would anyone compare Lamar to Vick?. Not even close. He couldn’t even throw a 5 yard pass without trying to break someone’s fingers. Never had any touch. Maybe Andy helped him a bit later.

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by Delta5

James Harden of NFL

Until your guy Josh Allen wins anything, he’s not even the James Harden of the NFL. No MVPs. No Super Bowls. No conference championships. If his claim to fame is “but the Bills beat the Ravens yesterday LOLOLOL 69 69 420 Troll”, then he has no claim to fame.

[Above the Rim]

Congrats to Bills and Allen. But they were basically handed the game yesterday. Ravens deserve to lose after all the turnovers and dropped passes, Offensive line looked like a shell of themselves. With how bad Baltimore played, it still came down to last play with Ravens once again shooting themselves in the foot.

Lamar's playoff struggles continue, legacy in jeopardy.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Above the Rim

Congrats to Bills and Allen. But they were basically handed the game yesterday. Ravens deserve to lose after all the turnovers and dropped passes, Offensive line looked like a shell of themselves. With how bad Baltimore played, it still came down to last play with Ravens once again shooting themselves in the foot.

Lamar's playoff struggles continue, legacy in jeopardy.

Crazy he’s about to have more MVPs than Mahomes and tie Tom Brady.

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by davidantx

long ride home for Mark Andrews, he pretty much single handidly blew it for them. Why do you not give the 2 point conversion to your first ballot hof RB who is having a beast year?

It's two yard out and the box was stacked the dump off pass to Andrews was the right call IMO.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by 4barrel

Until your guy Josh Allen wins anything, he’s not even the James Harden of the NFL. No MVPs. No Super Bowls. No conference championships. If his claim to fame is “but the Bills beat the Ravens yesterday LOLOLOL 69 69 420 Troll”, then he has no claim to fame.

we'll see about that. But Bills is on AFC champ this weekend and Lamar is on Cancun.

[boxbuster7]

Anybody that blames lamar for the loss didn't watch the game and is smoking the good good crack

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Anybody that blames lamar for the loss didn't watch the game and is smoking the good good crack

They either didn't watch the game or are using lazy stereotypes about his former abilities not his current one.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Anybody that blames lamar for the loss didn't watch the game and is smoking the good good crack

1 int and 1 fumble lost played a part. They're down 21-10 because of him. He clawed it back and played great second half, but you can spot the Bills multiple turnovers and expect to still win, Bills aint no raiders

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Delta5

1 int and 1 fumble lost played a part. They're down 21-10 because of him. He clawed it back and played great second half, but you can spot the Bills multiple turnovers and expect to still win, Bills aint no raiders

This right here. Lamar's INT and Fumble were both horrible. He played well in the second half, partially because Buffalo's play calling on offense was terrible and left the defense on the field too long.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

This right here. Lamar's INT and Fumble were both horrible. He played well in the second half, partially because Buffalo's play calling on offense was terrible and left the defense on the field too long.

When the opponent spot you 11 points in first half, good opponent I might add. All you have to do is play mistake free second half and it will be nearly impossible for the opponent to win. Bills only scored 2 FG on the second half and thats enough thanks to Lamar really bad INT and another really bad fumble

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Retired hobbist

It's two yard out and the box was stacked the dump off pass to Andrews was the right call IMO.

Not sure why they were going for two in the 3Q.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Delta5

When the opponent spot you 11 points in first half, good opponent I might add. All you have to do is play mistake free second half and it will be nearly impossible for the opponent to win. Bills only scored 2 FG on the second half and thats enough thanks to Lamar really bad INT and another really bad fumble

I disagree. Buffalo was actually very fortunate to win the game. Ravens offense started to go up and down the field at will in the second half and Buffalo started to look really vulnerable to the run. A couple fluke plays by Mark Andrews likely cost the Ravens the game. All the momentum was with Baltimore. I'll take it but I am not going to sing high praises for the team.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

I disagree. Buffalo was actually very fortunate to win the game. Ravens offense started to go up and down the field at will in the second half and Buffalo started to look really vulnerable to the run. A couple fluke plays by Mark Andrews likely cost the Ravens the game. All the momentum was with Baltimore. I'll take it but I am not going to sing high praises for the team.

No doubt, but a part of me knows Joe Brady goes conservative with the playcall because they are in a big lead. If the score is even im sure the playcall will be very different

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Anybody that blames lamar for the loss didn't watch the game and is smoking the good good crack

Blame Mark Andrews, blame coaching, blame defense for giving up 27 points, hell blame that center for the bad snap. Always shift the blame to someone else not your dear Lamar (who has less wins than brock purdy in playoff by the way)

EDIT: oh I forgot, also blame Bateman for running the wrong route and caused that Int.

[Above the Rim]

Yeah, was a cumulative all encompassing loss, not just Lamar. I thought Ravens OL even did poorly.

If Ravens don't make mistakes, they would have beat Bills substantially. G'luck w/Chiefs - they're not going to make all those mistakes.

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by Delta5

we'll see about that. But Bills is on AFC champ this weekend and Lamar is on Cancun.

Josh Allen may win the Super Bowl in a few weeks. But as of today, he hasn’t won much of anything.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by 4barrel

Josh Allen may win the Super Bowl in a few weeks. But as of today, he hasn’t won much of anything.

As of yesterday Josh Allen still have a shot at SB while Lamar chance is big fat 0

[sandyfrank]

The Ravens were going to lose that game even if Mark Andrews makes that catch. They have terrible clock management, they left Buffalo all the time in the world to go win on a last second field goal. I was perplexed why they weren't running Derrick Henry on that last drive to use up some of that clock, plus the Bills defenders were wore out and it would have been a hot knife through butter.

[sandyfrank]

Originally Posted by mc1

Not sure why they were going for two in the 3Q.

Another great point, a few bad decisions that game by the Ravens.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by sandyfrank

The Ravens were going to lose that game even if Mark Andrews makes that catch. They have terrible clock management, they left Buffalo all the time in the world to go win on a last second field goal. I was perplexed why they weren't running Derrick Henry on that last drive to use up some of that clock, plus the Bills defenders were wore out and it would have been a hot knife through butter.

Harbaugh should go.

[4barrel]

Originally Posted by Delta5

As of yesterday Josh Allen still have a shot at SB while Lamar chance is big fat 0

Last I checked, “having a shot” can’t be used on his resume towards the Hall of Fame or really much of anything. He might go on and win the whole thing. But as of today, he doesn’t have an MVP or a first team. No Heisman or Walter Camp award in college. Nothing. Hit us up when he actually does something more than “derrrrrr the Bills beat the Ravens!!!!!! Herp, Herrrrrrrp!!!”

[slyguy]

Lol, guys... nobody's sleeping on Lamar.
The guy is not clutch.
That was the easiest bet on Buff against them.
Lamar is great regular season, but he's a turtle on its back when tied/behind or important games are on the line.

Lamar freezes in big games and is afraid to take chances. It's too bad.
He has been hurt before and will again. That is very problematic as you have to shape a whole offense around his style.
He had the best support cast ever with 2024 King Henry, and they still barely won the divi and didn't even make AFC champ game.

Sadly, Josh Allen, if he can't beat KC when it counts this year or soon, is nearly as bad also.

They will both be "other guys" of the MAHOMES ERA. That's all.
Allen and Lamar are essentially the new versions of "other guys" Peyton and maybe Aaron Rodgers in the BRADY ERA.
Peyton is still awesome because he's so likable, but Lamar is definitely not.
Lamar will have the MVPs but little/no postseason success, and Allen will have the stats and almost years. Both will probably be HOF, but history's written by the victors. Card values are incredibly top-heavy to that.

[JWBlue]

The world is so focused on reaching the top.

Regardless if he ever wins a chip he will have a very accomplished and successful career.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

The world is so focused on reaching the top.

Regardless if he ever wins a chip he will have a very accomplished and successful career.

Yes, I fully agree. But the values in the hobby doesn't usually think of it that way. It's all about SBs, MVP, records, greatness relative to peers.

That is also why Saquon not chasing the record that may have stood 20+ years for him was terrible if they don't win the SB (I'm sure Eagles told him no way). It has major implications for the prices of his cards, his autograph sessions, his appearances post-playing, TV options, endorsements, etc.