Hall of Very Good - Page 31

carlo16 · 08-19-2024, 05:05 PM

I’d like to nominate one of the biggest busts in hobby history that went on to have a very good career cut short by injuries.
Gregg Jefferies.

xDomePatrolx · 08-23-2024, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by carlo16

I’d like to nominate one of the biggest busts in hobby history that went on to have a very good career cut short by injuries.
Gregg Jefferies.

As a life long METS fan this hits home as I traded away any & everything for 88 Jefferies cards.

Started collecting in 1981-82 and built Topps complete sets from 1983-1992 & partial sets 1981-1982.

So 1988 rolls around and I had Jefferies fever BAD! 2 guys I grew up with seized the moment and started asking for the good RCs from my complete sets. Without any rational thought I broke all the sets apart stripping all of the RCs they wanted minus Mets.

By the time 1990 rolled around I had tons of worthless sets under the bed. LOL

Still have hundreds of 88-90 Jefferies cards and was happy about it. Ha!

Handsome Wes · 08-24-2024, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

As a life long METS fan this hits home as I traded away any & everything for 88 Jefferies cards.

Started collecting in 1981-82 and built Topps complete sets from 1983-1992 & partial sets 1981-1982.

So 1988 rolls around and I had Jefferies fever BAD! 2 guys I grew up with seized the moment and started asking for the good RCs from my complete sets. Without any rational thought I broke all the sets apart stripping all of the RCs they wanted minus Mets.

By the time 1990 rolled around I had tons of worthless sets under the bed. LOL

Still have hundreds of 88-90 Jefferies cards and was happy about it. Ha!

I still have my 1988 Score Gregg Jefferies. Loved that card. He had a .500 batting average! (Sure it was 3-6, but hey!)

Honestly, I'd keep it as my "wallet card" but it has too much value to me and I don't want it getting damaged... so I keep a reprint Mickey Mantle there instead.

Skipscards · 08-24-2024, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by carlo16

I’d like to nominate one of the biggest busts in hobby history that went on to have a very good career cut short by injuries.
Gregg Jefferies.

Inadequate.
Gregg Jefferies was good. He just wasn't very good.

I will say, he may be one we revisit down the road. He's close.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 08-24-2024, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Inadequate.
Gregg Jefferies was good. He just wasn't very good.

I will say, he may be one we revisit down the road. He's close.

How often does the HoVG Veterans Committee meet up?

Skipscards · 08-24-2024, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

How often does the HoVG Veterans Committee meet up?

Annually. Right after the Hall of Fame announces the BBWAA members.

But the HOVG will induct players at any point in the year. Like now, for example.

superdan's nomination of the first ever Rookie of the Year, Roy Sievers. Turns out is he was very good.

Roy Sievers has now been inducted.

TBTC Baseball · 01-21-2025, 08:01 PM

Has to be a big HoVG class?
Dustin Pedroia
Ian Kinsler
Felix Hernandez
Troy Tulowitzki

Ben Zobrist - based on his value and flexibility
Curtis Granderson - 344 HR
Hanley Ramirez - maybe too short of a prime.

Cornerstore · 01-21-2025, 08:41 PM

dang thought i had a name but he was on the list

Poorboy · 01-21-2025, 08:59 PM

So who is left pitcher wise to nominate hall of very good ?
Wayyyyy late to the party
Saberhagen ? Cone ?

TBTC Baseball · 01-21-2025, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Poorboy

So who is left pitcher wise to nominate hall of very good ?
Wayyyyy late to the party
Saberhagen ? Cone ?

If they aren't on the first page, make a case. Might want to search the thread and see if they have already been rejected.

Poorboy · 01-21-2025, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TBTC Baseball

If they aren't on the first page, make a case. Might want to search the thread and see if they have already been rejected.

Duhhhh sorry
Right there on first page
Thanks

MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-21-2025, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TBTC Baseball

Has to be a big HoVG class?
Dustin Pedroia
Ian Kinsler
Felix Hernandez
Troy Tulowitzki

Ben Zobrist - based on his value and flexibility
Curtis Granderson - 344 HR
Hanley Ramirez - maybe too short of a prime.

Some of those players need to finish their 10 year run with the BWAA before they can be considered for the Hall of Very Good.

TBTC Baseball · 01-22-2025, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Some of those players need to finish their 10 year run with the BWAA before they can be considered for the Hall of Very Good.

See Helton - they get added to the HoVG, but can be removed once/if they graduate to the HoF.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-22-2025, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TBTC Baseball

See Helton - they get added to the HoVG, but can be removed once/if they graduate to the HoF.

Ah. I’ll let Skip handle the details. I’m just over here preparing my Hanley Ramirez argument.

TBTC Baseball · 01-22-2025, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Ah. I’ll let Skip handle the details. I’m just over here preparing my Hanley Ramirez argument.

I'd second it.

Skipscards · 01-22-2025, 12:39 PM

I am happy to announce we have kicked Billy Wagner, Dick Allen, and Dave Parker out of the Hall of Very Good. Don't come back.

The Hall of Very Good is pleased to announce it's 2025 Class of 1st Time Eligibles:
Adam Jones
Brian McCann
Curtis Granderson
Dustin Pedroia
Felix Hernandez
Hanley Ramirez
Ian Kinsler
Troy Tukowitzki

And newest non-1st time eligible inductee:
Eddie Yost

MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-22-2025, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

I am happy to announce we have kicked Billy Wagner, Dick Allen, and Dave Parker out of the Hall of Very Good. Don't come back.

The Hall of Very Good is pleased to announce it's 2025 Class of 1st Time Eligibles:
Adam Jones
Brian McCann
Curtis Granderson
Dustin Pedroia
Felix Hernandez
Hanley Ramirez
Ian Kinsler
Troy Tukowitzki

And newest non-1st time eligible inductee:
Eddie Yost

I was about to make an impassioned plea for Hanley, but it seems like he’s already in…?

TBTC Baseball · 01-22-2025, 01:42 PM

I'll argue case for Ben Zobrist
44.5 bWAR (4.4 per 162)
2nd in MLB, 1st in AL in WAR in 2009 while playing 7 positions.
2 x WS winner
WS MVP - (bonus points for it being 2016 curse breaking Cubs)
3 x All-Star
Has to be one of the greatest utility men ever. His highest played position, 2B, only accounts for 57% of his games played. Less than 50% when taking into account games he played multiple positions (49.4%).

Skipscards · 01-22-2025, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I was about to make an impassioned plea for Hanley, but it seems like he’s already in…?

He was just inducted today. He's a 1st ballot HOVGer.

Hanley has the 4th best OPS+ of any Shortstop in history and 5th all-time in HRs. While I am not suggesting he should be a Hall of Famer, he should have definitely gotten more than zero votes.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 01-22-2025, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

He was just inducted today. He's a 1st ballot HOVGer.

Hanley has the 4th best OPS+ of any Shortstop in history and 5th all-time in HRs. While I am not suggesting he should be a Hall of Famer, he should have definitely gotten more than zero votes.

But I had charts and graphs… and Power Points! A 3 hour presentation that I was able to edit down to 2.5 hours for sake of brevity!

Oh well, I guess I’ll just take the easy win.

The zero HOF votes probably has something to do with him calling himself a Hall of Famer shortly after signing his extension with the Marlins.

Skipscards · 01-22-2025, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

But I had charts and graphs… and Power Points! A 3 hour presentation that I was able to edit down to 2.5 hours for sake of brevity!

Oh well, I guess I’ll just take the easy win.

Yeah, I'd love to see it. I love Hanley. He was very good.

Skipscards · 01-22-2025, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TBTC Baseball

I'll argue case for Ben Zobrist
44.5 bWAR (4.4 per 162)
2nd in MLB, 1st in AL in WAR in 2009 while playing 7 positions.
2 x WS winner
WS MVP - (bonus points for it being 2016 curse breaking Cubs)
3 x All-Star
Has to be one of the greatest utility men ever. His highest played position, 2B, only accounts for 57% of his games played. Less than 50% when taking into account games he played multiple positions (49.4%).

Inadequate.
Ben Zobrist was good. He just wasn't very good.

I'm a huge fan of his because, you know, 2015. But the competition today was very good. Made it tough for Ben. That being said, we can revisit his case.

I will add, as much as I like Zobrist, he was not the greatest utility man ever. Pete Rose is. But if we want to exclude HOF caliber players like Pete, then I'd probably lean toward Tony Phillips or maybe Pedro Guerrero.

Tom Oates · 01-25-2025, 03:23 PM

I'll nominate Gary Matthews. He beats Garry Maddox (HOVG) in almost every offensive category and was the 1973 ROY. If Maddox makes the list, Matthews should be in as well.

Note: I did search this thread for "mathews" and "matthews" but did not see him mentioned yet.

xDomePatrolx · 01-25-2025, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Poorboy

So who is left pitcher wise to nominate hall of very good ?
Wayyyyy late to the party
Saberhagen ? Cone ?

David Cone should be in already.

https://stathead.com/tiny/tE9Tx

TBTC Baseball · 01-25-2025, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xDomePatrolx

David Cone should be in already.

https://stathead.com/tiny/tE9Tx

Already in.

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TBTC Baseball Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: USA Posts: 1,048	I'll argue case for Ben Zobrist 44.5 bWAR (4.4 per 162) 2nd in MLB, 1st in AL in WAR in 2009 while playing 7 positions. 2 x WS winner WS MVP - (bonus points for it being 2016 curse breaking Cubs) 3 x All-Star Has to be one of the greatest utility men ever. His highest played position, 2B, only accounts for 57% of his games played. Less than 50% when taking into account games he played multiple positions (49.4%). __________________ Looking for: 2011 Topps Trevor Cahill - Platinum,and Printing Plates. Cards of players in Throwback/TBTC/TATC/Negro League jerseys.

01-25-2025, 03:23 PM	#773
Tom Oates Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,955 OATES	I'll nominate Gary Matthews. He beats Garry Maddox (HOVG) in almost every offensive category and was the 1973 ROY. If Maddox makes the list, Matthews should be in as well. Note: I did search this thread for "mathews" and "matthews" but did not see him mentioned yet. Last edited by Tom Oates; 01-28-2025 at 05:43 PM.

08-19-2024, 05:05 PM	#751
carlo16 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,203	I’d like to nominate one of the biggest busts in hobby history that went on to have a very good career cut short by injuries. Gregg Jefferies.

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Poorboy Banned - PBM Join Date: Dec 2024 Posts: 1,635	So who is left pitcher wise to nominate hall of very good ? Wayyyyy late to the party Saberhagen ? Cone ?