Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by rms13

The problem is he's a zero at 3B at this point in his career. If he cared about winning he'd put his pride aside and maybe he still will do that at some point. If he just accepted the full time DH role he'd probably be available more then he been the last few seasons and he probably hits 40+ HR not having to worry about playing the field.

Young players hate being taken off the field. It’s a pride thing.

[Nester99]

Originally Posted by Triple B

I've been saying this to everyone. He says he wants to stay in Toronto and I believe him, but testing free agency establishes his true value. I think he'll test the market and then circle back to Toronto and say "here are my offers, what can YOU do now?".

There was nothing in my mind that made me think he was going to sign before free agency. I hoped he would, I didn't think he would. He's going to do what Aaron Judge did and if he doesn't stay in Toronto, he goes to Boston.

Man i hope your right.

If he moves on and goes west, i might just follow him in fandom!

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by Nester99

Man i hope your right.

If he moves on and goes west, i might just follow him in fandom!

I'll go where he goes. I'm a lifelong Jays fan, but I'm no longer a kid where they're "my team no matter what". I've thought the world of Vlad for years and now that his peak years are here, I'm excited to see what he can do.

[Brady7799]

Jays are playing a dangerous game. if Vlad has another mediocre year, he'll come back with his tail between his legs and the Jays get their homegrown face of the franchise on their financial terms.

if Vlad proves 2024 is just the beginning of his offensive prime, which could be a very real scenario, then he's good as gone and the nationwide fan base should reject the Jays until the current regime is gone after 10 years of overwhelming disappointment. Rogers is a telecom giant and currently sit 5th in the mlb for payroll so the cannot claim affordability is an issue.

Jays fan since '85 but Shatkins finally killed it for me at the start of 2024. i'll still follow along but i'm no longer that kid, Triple B. i like how you phrased that.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Brady7799

Jays are playing a dangerous game. if Vlad has another mediocre year, he'll come back with his tail between his legs and the Jays get their homegrown face of the franchise on their financial terms.

if Vlad proves 2024 is just the beginning of his offensive prime, which could be a very real scenario, then he's good as gone and the nationwide fan base should reject the Jays until the current regime is gone after 10 years of overwhelming disappointment. Rogers is a telecom giant and currently sit 5th in the mlb for payroll so the cannot claim affordability is an issue.

Jays fan since '85 but Shatkins finally killed it for me at the start of 2024. i'll still follow along but i'm no longer that kid, Triple B. i like how you phrased that.

He's going bos or mets unless dodgers completely give up on def put him at third and score 15 runs a game.

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[Brady7799]

Originally Posted by JRX

unless dodgers completely give up on def put him at third and score 15 runs a game.

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i'd actually love this.

he'd have to change a few things to be a Dodger though. running out ground balls, making better baserunning decisions. the Dodgers are relentless in effort and will hold him accountable.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by JRX

He's going bos or mets unless dodgers completely give up on def put him at third and score 15 runs a game.

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Vlad y Juan would be a lot of fun (and the Dodgers don't deserve anyone else).

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Young players hate being taken off the field. It’s a pride thing.

Exactly. I'm sure he signed the long term contract being told he would be the cornerstone of the franchise and there was no mention of moving him off third.

Players don't always hit better as a result of not playing the field, it some cases it hurts production.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Hi Vlad Guys.

Can we say Yordan and Vlad have equal career WAR projections?

Thanks,
Yordan Guy

We *can* say that….. But as the official spokesman for the Blowout Vlad-Yordan Crossover Fan Club, I must ask why exactly we want to do that?


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[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

We *can* say that….. But as the official spokesman for the Blowout Vlad-Yordan Crossover Fan Club, I must ask why exactly we want to do that?


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I'll take that!
Nothing deceptive. Want to start using Vlad as a control for better evaluating Yordans market.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

I'll take that!
Nothing deceptive. Want to start using Vlad as a control for better evaluating Yordans market.

Yordan has 2.2 more WAR, but is also roughly two years older and plays the field less than Vlady Jr.

I’m a fan of both players, but hard not to feel like Vlady Jr will retire with a much higher WAR.

[Mazman2727]

Vlad heading to Sunny Arizona to replace Eugenio in 2026.

[SleepyWill]

Completely forgot how young the kid is, here's some crazy stats for you all this morning.

Compared to the Judge.

Judge (32) is 7 years older than Vlad (25), but....

WAR
Judge 52.2
Vlad 21.5

Hits
Judge 1026
Vlad 905

Home Runs
Judge 315
Vlad 160 (would need to average 22.8 for 7 seasons to get to 315.

Average
Judge .288
Vlad .288

RBI
Judge 716
Vlad 507

I know that Judge started later but I can certainly see a world in that Vlad finished ahead in a lot of these categories. Curious to see how Jr. will look going into his age 32 season.

[jmarascojr]

A move to the Mets next year would be nice.

Hopefully the Mets will be in the playoff race this year and Toronto won't... So the Mets could get him for the playoff run...

I assume he'd split time with Alonso at first, while the other DH's...

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Triple B

I'll go where he goes. I'm a lifelong Jays fan, but I'm no longer a kid where they're "my team no matter what". I've thought the world of Vlad for years and now that his peak years are here, I'm excited to see what he can do.

Same... i'd love to see both Vladdy and Bo in Dodger blue.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by PeteD

Same... i'd love to see both Vladdy and Bo in Dodger blue.

This just made me throw up in my mouth.

-Giants/Blue Jays Fan


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

I'll take that!
Nothing deceptive. Want to start using Vlad as a control for better evaluating Yordans market.

I personally don’t care about WAR, so I can’t speak to that. To me, it still comes down to home run titles, 1.000 OPS seasons, Triple Crown chases, some monster home runs in clutch situations, and health/longevity to reach those precious milestones. Prospect pedigree and charisma play into it a little bit, too.

Regarding health, Yordan has missed at least 15 games every year. Vlad has missed 15 games total in the past five seasons. So, my long-term prognosis would be to give an edge to Vlad because he’ll last longer. However, they are the same class of hitter, right there with Soto. And we have yet to see the best from any of these three.

So, yeah. Vlad makes for a good control.


One other factor that could give Vlad an edge: his free agency. He’ll be the focus of the baseball world for a couple months, and he could end up in a top market. Meanwhile, Yordan has a relatively modest long-term contract keeping him in Houston.


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[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I personally don’t care about WAR, so I can’t speak to that. To me, it still comes down to home run titles, 1.000 OPS seasons, Triple Crown chases, some monster home runs in clutch situations, and health/longevity to reach those precious milestones. Prospect pedigree and charisma play into it a little bit, too.

Regarding health, Yordan has missed at least 15 games every year. Vlad has missed 15 games total in the past five seasons. So, my long-term prognosis would be to give an edge to Vlad because he’ll last longer. However, they are the same class of hitter, right there with Soto. And we have yet to see the best from any of these three.

So, yeah. Vlad makes for a good control.


One other factor that could give Vlad an edge: his free agency. He’ll be the focus of the baseball world for a couple months, and he could end up in a top market. Meanwhile, Yordan has a relatively modest long-term contract keeping him in Houston.


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Interesting point about Vlads free agency. That may mess me up. Sounds like that can be an outside factor impacting Vlads prices compared to Yordan.

They are close enough on career paths and age for me. Not looking to compare career estimates beyond just an agreenent they are close to one another. Yordan does have the higher injury risk.

Im interested in comparing how their prices on a few main cards deviate during the season based on their individual performance. And compare the trends. Im no statistician, but looking to learn a few things about Yordans price trends and see if i see equal variance in an "equivalent" player.

[gresh87]

Vladdy is someone I will likely collect even if he leaves Toronto - as long as he doesn't sign with the Dodgers, Cubs, or a New York team.

[REGGIE206]

I think Vlad promised Soto he would come to the Mets when his contract is up..

[ThoseBackPages]

LOVE IT REGGIE!

[Hardcore]

There is this recent new video on Youtube (3 days ago)
of how Vladdy trained in the off-season in Tampa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aGDEaPQQlI

he trained with Teoscar and J-Rod and other MLB players

Vladdy looks serious about making this season a monster for him.
Whatever the number he was asking from the Jays..... its gonna be much higher if they dont get him signed now.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

There is this recent new video on Youtube (3 days ago)
of how Vladdy trained in the off-season in Tampa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aGDEaPQQlI

he trained with Teoscar and J-Rod and other MLB players

Vladdy looks serious about making this season a monster for him.
Whatever the number he was asking from the Jays..... its gonna be much higher if they dont get him signed now.

Every offseason there's a video showing "how hard he worked out". What would concern me is will he keep doing all that once he gets his 500M+

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

There is this recent new video on Youtube (3 days ago)
of how Vladdy trained in the off-season in Tampa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aGDEaPQQlI

he trained with Teoscar and J-Rod and other MLB players

Vladdy looks serious about making this season a monster for him.
Whatever the number he was asking from the Jays..... its gonna be much higher if they dont get him signed now.

Thanks for sharing.

It’s amusing that people still call him fat and say he’ll break down like Prince Fielder. The athleticism and level of conditioning on display in his workout videos tell a very different story.


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[JRX]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Thanks for sharing.

It’s amusing that people still call him fat and say he’ll break down like Prince Fielder. The athleticism and level of conditioning on display in his workout videos tell a very different story.


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Not really seeing much in the way of running. They did a sprinting drill, but he'd probably benefit from say running 3 miles a day. I get it, the focus is all on being explosive, but how about build up some endurance.