First Buzz: 2024 Panini Prizm WNBA basketball cards

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by Goldie

Are you looking at case breaks or box breaks? I'd imagine on a box level there's a ton of risk in walking away with nothing, but on a case level I haven't seen anything opened without at least one serious Caitlin card in it, to say nothing of the rest of the product.

What do you mean "at least one serious Caitlin"... $500? $1k? At $12,000 or whatever a case is, if you don't come across a $10k card, which is maybe just the CCs /25 and lower, you're in for an enormous loss. Even then I actually doubt the $5-20 vet parallels add up to covering one or two boxes. If you hit something like a base auto and a /299, and sell all the base right away, I can't imagine they cover more than 25% of a case.

[Goldie]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

What do you mean "at least one serious Caitlin"... $500? $1k? At $12,000 or whatever a case is, if you don't come across a $10k card, which is maybe just the CCs /25 and lower, you're in for an enormous loss. Even then I actually doubt the $5-20 vet parallels add up to covering one or two boxes. If you hit something like a base auto and a /299, and sell all the base right away, I can't imagine they cover more than 25% of a case.

Let me clarify. I don't mean that the price in any way justifies what you get out of the box. That price is insane.

If you want to compare it to similarly priced products in other sports though, you get a lot out of the case. You get a card that you were chasing in a nice Caitlin, and a lot of nice color of other desirable pieces if this sport and product is for you. If you're just looking to make money from a case, you're going to get destroyed. If you're looking to collect cards that have decent value for the money you put into it, it's not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.

[Goldie]

And a further clarify, when I mean a serious card, I'm talking red or better and I think those are probably 2K cards for a while.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by Goldie

Let me clarify. I don't mean that the price in any way justifies what you get out of the box. That price is insane.

If you want to compare it to similarly priced products in other sports though, you get a lot out of the case. You get a card that you were chasing in a nice Caitlin, and a lot of nice color of other desirable pieces if this sport and product is for you. If you're just looking to make money from a case, you're going to get destroyed. If you're looking to collect cards that have decent value for the money you put into it, it's not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.

I've probably ripped more WNBA wax than anyone in the past few years, and TBH haven't even paid attention to this year's Hobby products because the prices are just so ridiculous. 2k cases probably seems small when comparing to men's, but when you add up the Prizm/Select/Origins Hobby on top of gigantic retail print runs of Select/Monopoly/Prizm, there's exponentially more supply than previous years and I don't think the "true" / Non-CC collector base has expanded at the same rate.

So, yes WNBA could be viewed as a good value with shorter checklists and shorter print runs than other sports. However, it was this way when cases were $1k, and singles prices of vets have not changed due to product dilution canceling out the growth of the collector base. So to someone like myself I've just seen the price 10x with CC chasing (and a couple other rookies to a limited extent) being the only value add.

[Goldie]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I've probably ripped more WNBA wax than anyone in the past few years, and TBH haven't even paid attention to this year's Hobby products because the prices are just so ridiculous. 2k cases probably seems small when comparing to men's, but when you add up the Prizm/Select/Origins Hobby on top of gigantic retail print runs of Select/Monopoly/Prizm, there's exponentially more supply than previous years and I don't think the "true" / Non-CC collector base has expanded at the same rate.

So, yes WNBA could be viewed as a good value with shorter checklists and shorter print runs than other sports. However, it was this way when cases were $1k, and singles prices of vets have not changed due to product dilution canceling out the growth of the collector base. So to someone like myself I've just seen the price 10x with CC chasing (and a couple other rookies to a limited extent) being the only value add.

Oh everything you're saying is 100% correct. My point is entirely based on my own expectations for them running the presses on this not being true and then my disappointment in nearly every other corner of the hobby providing such minuscule value relative to the price.

More specifically, if you buy a case of this looking to have fun and walk away with a nice Caitlin or two as well as some really good cards of players you like if you follow WNBA, this product has been hitting. If you try to do the same with NBA prizm at a similar price point this year, you're going to have a really bad time almost guaranteed. The case price of this should be in the 5K range, but compared to NBA which should be in the 1K range based on the expected value I'd have for it, that's a not astronomical difference from the real price.

[Yanks23]

I would say go the retail route but prizm retail sucks unless they add some hits to blaster and whatever else they sell. Select retail was much better to open for return then hobby given the price difference especially since you could get select blasters at retail pricing. I would rather open monopoly vs $1k hobby boxes.

[Goldie]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

I would say go the retail route but prizm retail sucks unless they add some hits to blaster and whatever else they sell. Select retail was much better to open for return then hobby given the price difference especially since you could get select blasters at retail pricing. I would rather open monopoly vs $1k hobby boxes.

I can't imagine it will be fun ripping this in retail format

[Yanks23]

Originally Posted by Goldie

I can't imagine it will be fun ripping this in retail format

you are probably right which is a shame since select was a great rip.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Goldie

Let me clarify. I don't mean that the price in any way justifies what you get out of the box. That price is insane.

If you want to compare it to similarly priced products in other sports though, you get a lot out of the case. You get a card that you were chasing in a nice Caitlin, and a lot of nice color of other desirable pieces if this sport and product is for you. If you're just looking to make money from a case, you're going to get destroyed. If you're looking to collect cards that have decent value for the money you put into it, it's not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.

Is this a joke? Pretty much everything at release from Panini goes down and goes down big. Look at Topps Baseball the last year. Everything has gone up to skyrocketed. Almost any 2024 Baseball hobby buying into breaks or opening at release was a better option than any Panini hobby product the last year plus. Especially a product like WNBA Prizm where it is basically impossible to come out ahead without hitting a big CC. If you care about collecting and getting nice cards, you will be able to get those of every single player but CC in a few weeks. So why buy into breaks or open it?

Originally Posted by Goldie

Oh everything you're saying is 100% correct. My point is entirely based on my own expectations for them running the presses on this not being true and then my disappointment in nearly every other corner of the hobby providing such minuscule value relative to the price.

More specifically, if you buy a case of this looking to have fun and walk away with a nice Caitlin or two as well as some really good cards of players you like if you follow WNBA, this product has been hitting. If you try to do the same with NBA prizm at a similar price point this year, you're going to have a really bad time almost guaranteed. The case price of this should be in the 5K range, but compared to NBA which should be in the 1K range based on the expected value I'd have for it, that's a not astronomical difference from the real price.

More false information. I guess I can't technically prove it's as far off as anyone with a brain knows it is right now until NBA Prizm is on dn. But considering WNBA Prizm FOTL "sold out" way over $2k a box and NBA Prizm FOTL "sold out" barely over $700 a box should tell you all you need to know. Although really pretty sure the last time BO had both "in stock" weren't prices $840 and $1300? In a week or 2 WNBA Prizm will be shown as selling for around 50% higher than NBA Prizm. That's hardly a similar price point.

You want to spend $12,000+ a case to walk away with a nice Caitlin or two and some really good cards of players you like in the WNBA? Congrats on being in the vast minority. Have fun on your $8-$9k loss on that average case. You could instead use that money to open about a billion older WNBA boxes that have everyone in them but the 2024 rookie class.

FOTL is even more hilarious. If you don't hit a CC FOTL parallel, which most cases won't have, have fun flushing over $20k down the toilet.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Goldie

I can't imagine it will be fun ripping this in retail format

Will there be numbered and autos or did they completely neuter it like football.

[Goldie]

Originally Posted by bub838

Will there be numbered and autos or did they completely neuter it like football.

There will be numbered. The red/blue etc pulsars look to be retail only, and I saw green autos on the CL again.

[Kodiak10]

So it looks like the "Dicks Sporting Goods Blasters" are just regular blasters being that others are selling with a ship date of 2/28 which is WAY earlier than DSG. Does anyone have any knowledge of 2 different types of blasters or was this a case where DSG wanted to give the consumer fraudulent information for the sole purpose benefiting financially?


Edit: So there is 2 different blasters. The DSG blasters are apparently hobby blasters I guess at this point and not quite exclusive.

[ricebellypanda]

How do you know that the one at DSG is "hobby blaster"? I saw that they have WNBA logos on them. Not sure what MJ Holdings or Excell will have

[Kodiak10]

Originally Posted by ricebellypanda

How do you know that the one at DSG is "hobby blaster"? I saw that they have WNBA logos on them. Not sure what MJ Holdings or Excell will have

Best Buy has "ICE" Prizms so like previous years that will be the standard blaster.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Kodiak10

So it looks like the "Dicks Sporting Goods Blasters" are just regular blasters being that others are selling with a ship date of 2/28 which is WAY earlier than DSG. Does anyone have any knowledge of 2 different types of blasters or was this a case where DSG wanted to give the consumer fraudulent information for the sole purpose benefiting financially?


Edit: So there is 2 different blasters. The DSG blasters are apparently hobby blasters I guess at this point and not quite exclusive.

Not a hobby blaster, just have an exclusive to DSG parallel.

[Kodiak10]

Originally Posted by bub838

Not a hobby blaster, just have an exclusive to DSG parallel.

That's the thing though, they aren't a DSG exclusive like the website claims. All the big dealers are carrying them as well with a ship date in 2 weeks or less. I'll stick with hobby blaster.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Kodiak10

That's the thing though, they aren't a DSG exclusive like the website claims. All the big dealers are carrying them as well with a ship date in 2 weeks or less. I'll stick with hobby blaster.

Who’s selling them for the original $35?
Blowout and Pittsburgh don’t have them available to order. Buffalo has them for preorder $55. I see one other place at $90. It’s entirely possible they ordered from Dick’s and aren’t getting them from Panini.

[Kodiak10]

Originally Posted by bub838

Who’s selling them for the original $35?
Blowout and Pittsburgh don’t have them available to order. Buffalo has them for preorder $55. I see one other place at $90. It’s entirely possible they ordered from Dick’s and aren’t getting them from Panini.

Again multiple sites have them. They all say 2-25 is ship date. DSG says sometime mid March. Not likely that they are coming from DSG given that and able to ship in case form. Although I guess its possible.....

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Kodiak10

Again multiple sites have them. They all say 2-25 is ship date. DSG says sometime mid March. Not likely that they are coming from DSG given that and able to ship in case form. Although I guess its possible.....

I really don’t see these preorders you’re talking about, but I’m interested to see when they come out either way!

[Promethius88]

Has anyone opened any of this stuff or seen much of it opened? Kinda curious as this thread came out so hot then really fizzled at release.

Against my better judgement, I am taking the 2 lonely boxes my lcs got only because the price was "decent"... compared to market...not to past releases or actual reality.

[mooney21]

Originally Posted by Kodiak10

So it looks like the "Dicks Sporting Goods Blasters" are just regular blasters being that others are selling with a ship date of 2/28 which is WAY earlier than DSG. Does anyone have any knowledge of 2 different types of blasters or was this a case where DSG wanted to give the consumer fraudulent information for the sole purpose benefiting financially?


Edit: So there is 2 different blasters. The DSG blasters are apparently hobby blasters I guess at this point and not quite exclusive.

I just ordered 20 blasters from ducks . that I’m just going to stash away

6 blaster exclusive ice prisms and chances at blue and green pulsar prizms, and retail exclusive black finite and check boards. Might end up ordering another 20. Not sure yet but I’m just planning on keeping sealed for a couple years to see what happens. I have a feeling this years wnba prizm willl be the most sought after .

[711 Cards]

Originally Posted by Promethius88

Has anyone opened any of this stuff or seen much of it opened? Kinda curious as this thread came out so hot then really fizzled at release.

Against my better judgement, I am taking the 2 lonely boxes my lcs got only because the price was "decent"... compared to market...not to past releases or actual reality.

Yes there is a ton being opened on whatnot. You need a low # Clark or Auto out of a box to even come close to making money back. I assume the cost was over $1k for a box? I’m personally fading this and ripping McDonald’s.

[Goldie]

Boxes are too risky imo, you almost need a case to spread out the risk, but any numbered Clark in a box will make at minimum half of the cost back so if you hit a low # you're pretty far ahead.

[Promethius88]

Originally Posted by 711 Cards

Yes there is a ton being opened on whatnot. You need a low # Clark or Auto out of a box to even come close to making money back. I assume the cost was over $1k for a box? I’m personally fading this and ripping McDonald’s.

I'm close to $900/box so I figured worst case I could sell sealed if I decided not to rip it. But, I've probably ripped over 30 cases of WNBA Prizm since 2020 and it seems wrong to not at least rip a little of this, lol.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by 711 Cards

Yes there is a ton being opened on whatnot. You need a low # Clark or Auto out of a box to even come close to making money back. I assume the cost was over $1k for a box? I’m personally fading this and ripping McDonald’s.

Yeah, you need a good numbered clark or a really good mix of Brink/Reese/everyone else to sniff getting that $1000 back. Silver is only going for, what- $400?