UD e-Pack® store: A Marvel Sale is Live!

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Do we keep this thread alive as a general ePack sale thread?

Create a new thread.

[YayNJ]

hey, I'm not picky, if any of you want to get rid of that horrible base on me, I'll gladly take it all

epack name is the same as on here

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Create a new thread.

Agreed.

Keep this just marvel and start new general e-pack sale thread whenever that happens.

This thread can continue on to show-off achievements, trading requests, etc. and just to remember what once was.

[finfangfan]

I was actually thinking of starting a separate ePack retropective Marvel thread to not confuse with this ePack Store sales thread.

EDIt: or maybe just a retrospective upper deck Marvel thread since half of UD’s Marvel output was not on ePack. They had a good run. They will be kicking themselves for letting Marvel get away. DC is going to be tough to sell at Marvel levels.

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

I was actually thinking of starting a separate ePack retropective Marvel thread to not confuse with this ePack Store sales thread.

EDIt: or maybe just a retrospective upper deck Marvel thread since half of UD’s Marvel output was not on ePack. They had a good run. They will be kicking themselves for letting Marvel get away. DC is going to be tough to sell at Marvel levels.

The official R.I.P. UD Marvel Thread

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

They will be kicking themselves for letting Marvel get away. DC is going to be tough to sell at Marvel levels.

You are assuming here that it was a choice at all. Fanatics has momentum and seemingly unlimited money to throw at various things. It just so happened that Disney's trove of IP was next on the available list

We've seen this movie already when the Marvel license was taken from Rittenhouse and given to UD. In that case though, RH got shafted and ordered to destroy their incentive cards :'(

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

You are assuming here that it was a choice at all. Fanatics has momentum and seemingly unlimited money to throw at various things. It just so happened that Disney's trove of IP was next on the available list

We've seen this movie already when the Marvel license was taken from Rittenhouse and given to UD. In that case though, RH got shafted and ordered to destroy their incentive cards :'(

I said regret (which might not have been the best word) but basically am saying Upper Deck now finds themselves in a way worse position now trying to sell the DC property (which will be an uphill battle) while Topps will be releasing products featuring the much more tried and true Marvel brand. Most Marvel card fans will keep buying Marvel cards released by Topps and won’t magically convert to DC card fans (although there will be some.. ePack has quite a few card addicts that will buy any property… heck, I even bought Neopets! lol).

[jubei777]

I’m only in for the PMG’s and actor autos. If Topps can’t get actor autos then I’ll never touch their marvel product. These facsimile autos of the characters are terrible and I don’t know why anyone would spend good money on those.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by jubei777

I’m only in for the PMG’s and actor autos. If Topps can’t get actor autos then I’ll never touch their marvel product. These facsimile autos of the characters are terrible and I don’t know why anyone would spend good money on those.

I am 99% confident we end up getting a Topps Now release for a Marvel Movie premier that has autos from one or more actors. Might take forever to be fulfilled (I’m still waiting on my Jackson Holliday Topps Now first HR auto/relic) but can’t see Topps ignoring Marvel autos through the Topps Now format and likely dedicated movie sets as well.

[HiltonL]

So far, the Topps Marvel products are oh-fer-3 in my book (Chrome Marvel, Sapphire Marvel, Xmen97)

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

So far, the Topps Marvel products are oh-fer-3 in my book (Chrome Marvel, Sapphire Marvel, Xmen97)

Eh… they really just got the US Marvel license. So it’s 1.5 (including Genesis). Remember…It also took UD awhile to find their stride with Marvel after regaining the license in 2007. The initial 3 MM sets from 2007-2008 were actually pretty horrible. People loved the sketch per box ratio but the actual base sets were filled with errors and def subpar. It wasn’t until 2012 that Marvel Premier first hit and then a string of quality Marvel products arrived. I think the learning curve for Topps will be much quicker. It just takes time to make quality sets and that’s the reason for the delay. But I think Topps will end up doing well with Marvel fans and I seriously doubt Disney ever goes back to Upper Deck. At least not for a decade. Bump this post if I’m wrong before 2035 (and Blowout forums are still around… which is doubtful).

[finfangfan]

Also, I really enjoyed the 1 box of X-Men 97 that I nabbed direct from Topps. That was a fun break and the cards looked great! I think people that are complaining are complaining more about the modern breaker model and how box prices quickly skyrocket. The QC on the actual set is top notch.

[Scrub]

I am in if UD can get a Peacemaker set on ePack. Could get the whole main cast along with some decent chase autos (Cena, Gunn, Patrick, etc.).

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Eh… they really just got the US Marvel license. So it’s 1.5 (including Genesis). Remember…It also took UD awhile to find their stride with Marvel after regaining the license in 2007. The initial 3 MM sets from 2007-2008 were actually pretty horrible. People loved the sketch per box ratio but the actual base sets were filled with errors and def subpar. It wasn’t until 2012 that Marvel Premier first hit and then a string of quality Marvel products arrived. I think the learning curve for Topps will be much quicker. It just takes time to make quality sets and that’s the reason for the delay. But I think Topps will end up doing well with Marvel fans and I seriously doubt Disney ever goes back to Upper Deck. At least not for a decade. Bump this post if I’m wrong before 2035 (and Blowout forums are still around… which is doubtful).

UD didn't get the Marvel license til ~2015. Not sure where you got 2007 from. They've had the "Marvel Masterpieces" all along and it was never with any other licensee

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

UD didn't get the Marvel license til ~2015. Not sure where you got 2007 from. They've had the "Marvel Masterpieces" all along and it was never with any other licensee

Wait how are we defining license here. Isn’t making 07-08MM considered making cards under marvel license? They say copyright Marvel on the back and it says MM cards are made under Marvel license. Then there was the Beginnings series in 2011-12. These would be under marvel license, right? They are using marvel properties- characters etc.

If we are talking exclusive license, then I think it would be around 2015ish

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

UD didn't get the Marvel license til ~2015. Not sure where you got 2007 from. They've had the "Marvel Masterpieces" all along and it was never with any other licensee

Like Dyna said, UD was putting out Marvel sets from 2007 onward after a brief hiatus. That’s what I mean. I get that Rittenhouse had the license, but UD released sets as well and the first premium one wasn’t until 2012 Marvel Premier which I mentioned in my post. The 2007-2008 MM sets had a sketch per box (which was quite a popular draw that we all loved), but the actual base cards and other inserts were pretty lousy and uninspired.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by Scrub

I am in if UD can get a Peacemaker set on ePack. Could get the whole main cast along with some decent chase autos (Cena, Gunn, Patrick, etc.).

Peacemaker S1 was solid. I also loved the Gunn Suicide Squad movie but not too many people saw it in theaters.

[dd316]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

UD didn't get the Marvel license til ~2015. Not sure where you got 2007 from. They've had the "Marvel Masterpieces" all along and it was never with any other licensee

Marvel Masterpieces was a Skybox (Fleer) property long before Upper Deck bought them.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by dd316

Marvel Masterpieces was a Skybox (Fleer) property long before Upper Deck bought them.

That whole thing is even more weird since Marvel (before it was ever bought by Disney) once owned Fleer/Skybox in the 1990’s! I was recently sorting through some old comics and have copies of a few of the Marvel Annual Reports (in comic form) that Marvel sent to investors. Those are fun!

[finfangfan]

Here are pics of two of those… “Fleer” even pops up on one cover…

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Peacemaker S1 was solid. I also loved the Gunn Suicide Squad movie but not too many people saw it in theaters.

Pandemic and it co-launched on HBO Max.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Pandemic and it co-launched on HBO Max.

It will be interesting to see if Gunn’s Superman takes off. DC really needs a hit to get back on track. Marvel has also had some troubles so it might just be the movie crowd now only supports a narrower group of properties. Deadpool obviously seems to be an outlier among the recent crop of super hero movies.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

It will be interesting to see if Gunn’s Superman takes off. DC really needs a hit to get back on track. Marvel has also had some troubles so it might just be the movie crowd now only supports a narrower group of properties. Deadpool obviously seems to be an outlier among the recent crop of super hero movies.

I don't know about you, but I wish both (Marvel and DC) would just let it cool off for 3-4 years.

Deadpool was good, as was the Penguin TV show, but personally I could do with a breather

[HiltonL]

Originally Posted by dd316

Marvel Masterpieces was a Skybox (Fleer) property long before Upper Deck bought them.

I get that we're all internet spectators arguing over what is ultimately unknowable since none of us have actually read through the licensing paperwork.

"Marvel Masterpieces" being owned by a company that UD *bought* ought to qualify as unbroken license-ship. Versus the broader, larger, Marvel trading card license that I thought we were talking about.
As for one-offs, can't one argue that whatever cards bagged with Wizard magazine also constitute licensed use? Marvel over the years has created so many copyrighted IPs that I can hardly think that (made up example, for clarity) cards printed on the bottom of snack cake boxes means that Little Debbie's has a claim on what we're discussing here.
Maybe we need a lawyer collector (no, that's really a bad idea, but let's run with it) to clarify every time we say 'the license changed hands'. That's an even worse idea.

Point is that of course when we talk about "the hockey license" or "the Marvel license" or "the Star Wars license" here, we're talking about the company that holds the main trading card license for that IP, notwithstanding all of the one-off or even minor use of such IP
Rittenhouse held the "main trading card license notwithstanding any existing use by UD for the pre-existing Marvel Masterpieces trademark or consumer packaged goods manufacturers printing one-off uses" doesn't roll off the tongue, does it?

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by HiltonL

Maybe we need a lawyer collector (no, that's really a bad idea, but let's run with it) to clarify every time we say 'the license changed hands'. That's an even worse idea.

Paul Lesko. He's a lawyer and covers the trading card industry (probably other things, too). Pretty interesting reads that he puts together.