WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[Mandy1320]

Originally Posted by Mandy1320

My unasked for opinions for WM41 cards:

Liv/Raquel vs Bayley/Valkyria: not that interested but I hope Liv/Raquel lose so that Liv can go back to chasing singles belts.. fits her character better IMO.

War Raiders vs New Day: meh, could be fun. Big E contributes somehow?

Priest v Drew: could be awesome as long as Priest keeps the botches to a minimum.

Jade v Naomi: completely uninterested in this storyline. But this shouldve also been a street fight or a steel cage or something that complements the feud.

Rey v El Grande Americano (NOT Chad Gable): this will probably be the end for the new luchador.

LA Knight v Fatu: its about time Fatu gets a WWE belt of his own. Unfortunately LA Knight is just not a good champ.

Breakker v Penta v Finn v Dom: best result would be for Dom to win. Would essentially pit him and Finn against each other moving forward. JD disbands (finally).

AJ Styles v Paul: whatever. Could be fun.

Stratton v Charlotte: terrible lead up to this. Charlotte shouldve never won the RR. Although I am happy I dont have to watch Nia Jax. Stratton needs to win.

Gunther v Jey Uso: i think we all know that Jey is going to win. I agree with most that he's been forced but i think its a business decision at this point. He sells merch, kids love the hype music, etc.

Roman v Punk v Rollins: insane amount of talent in the ring at once. The Heyman/Rollins rumors make sense. In a different world, we couldve gotten Brock v Roman v Punk.... oh well.

Cody v Cena: watching Cena wrestle as a heel is going to be so weird for me. Yea, hes done the promos but still. I would be interested to see what actually happens if he [Cena] wins. If Cody wins straight up, I'll be extremely disappointed.... because then what?

Am I good at this guessing thing or was WM41 just that predictable?

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

In the case of those 3, it's no surprise Cena was cheered, support for Dom has been happening lately and Belair has been getting noticeable boo's for weeks.

Guess I must be slow on the uptake then, because I was surprised at Cena getting cheered, considering the complete disdain he's shown for the fans since EC. What about him is likeable now? As far as Dom and Belair, I haven't seen anything about either their personalities or their stories changing of late, and so I don't understand the fans flipping on them, either.

And I still don't understand why Roman is cheered to this day. Nothing about his persona has changed since WM40 that I can see. Is it strictly an "absence makes the heart grow fonder" aspect during his time off until SS? That's the only theory I can formulate.

[TXRunner]

Originally Posted by packman80

If that women got hurt by Austin she will get a nice WWE paycheck.

Go look at the video on X and play it back slow. That was a flop worthy of Lebron James approval. Austin hit the wall, then there was like a 3-4 second pause and she kind of looked around and then took her fall.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Smark crowds have always done that, it just happens that AEW has a small fanbase with no casuals.

In the case of those 3, it's no surprise Cena was cheered, support for Dom has been happening lately and Belair has been getting noticeable boo's for weeks.

Everybody loves the underdog. Easy to cheer him after watching him get pushed around by Finn for weeks and weeks

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Guess I must be slow on the uptake then, because I was surprised at Cena getting cheered, considering the complete disdain he's shown for the fans since EC. What about him is likeable now? As far as Dom and Belair, I haven't seen anything about either their personalities or their stories changing of late, and so I don't understand the fans flipping on them, either.

And I still don't understand why Roman is cheered to this day. Nothing about his persona has changed since WM40 that I can see. Is it strictly an "absence makes the heart grow fonder" aspect during his time off until SS? That's the only theory I can formulate.

I would say Cena yesterday was like Hogan at Wrestlemania 18. The fans wanted him to win. He'll get his boo's in, but people (finally) want to cheer him on his last run. Belair is stale as heck, if you watch RAW she's been getting boo'd about every single week. It was 3 babyfaces, they're not all getting cheered. Dom's personality has definitely been changing though.

[TXRunner]

I am wondering if we now get Seth and Heyman trying to go and take out all the OG Bloodline members. So then that road leads to Seth vs Jey, with Seth taking the title. Then along that road, we get Seth vs Roman and Seth vs Punk, with Punk taking the title from Seth.

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Dom's personality has definitely been changing though.

He was on the post-show last night, and seemed as arrogant as ever. Immediately called himself the greatest IC champion ever. We'll see if these cheers continue, especially if the JD finally breaks up.

[jmarascojr]

Originally Posted by TXRunner

Go look at the video on X and play it back slow. That was a flop worthy of Lebron James approval. Austin hit the wall, then there was like a 3-4 second pause and she kind of looked around and then took her fall.

She stayed for the main event so she couldn't have been that "hurt"...

The reaction time, and reaction overall, just looks bad for her, it'll be interesting to see if she sues or not...

Lotta wrestlers got thrown into those barricades over the last 48 hours and you didn't see anybody else react like that

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by TXRunner

I am wondering if we now get Seth and Heyman trying to go and take out all the OG Bloodline members. So then that road leads to Seth vs Jey, with Seth taking the title. Then along that road, we get Seth vs Roman and Seth vs Punk, with Punk taking the title from Seth.

I'm intrigued where everyone falls into place going forward. Not that the brandsplit seems to mean much, but if it does mean anything RAW is short on babyfaces big time. Jey, Punk and? AJ Styles is beyond luke warm, and Sami had his momentum killed. They've now turned Rollins, Owens (out anyway) and Cena, and Roman is super part time. I'd imagine it's Jey vs Gunther in a rematch since Backlash is a couple weeks away.

Originally Posted by Jaypers

He was on the post-show last night, and seemed as arrogant as ever. Immediately called himself the greatest IC champion ever. We'll see if these cheers continue, especially if the JD finally breaks up.

I'm being genuine and not trying to be condescending, do you watch RAW? Finn has been heeling on Dom for weeks. They had been building to what happened last night.

[TimmyWeiss]

This maybe thinking too deep into it, but is it possible that part of Cena's heel turn was putting out a lackluster WM match to prove his point that the crowd didn't deserve 100%?

I can't see them doing that with the money and fans invested, but maybe its denial over a match that was just so 'meh'.

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I'm being genuine and not trying to be condescending, do you watch RAW? Finn has been heeling on Dom for weeks. They had been building to what happened last night.

Yes I have, and yes I've seen what you've mentioned. However, he still has his own heelish attitude. You can act subservient to others yet still be a heel. The only thing I can assume from this is he may be gaining sympathy. I for one hope he doesn't go back to being a face, as he was bland as hell.

[ThatGuyPal]

Rock or Cena need to say NOW the story is over. “You thought it ended last year but last night your final chapter closed Cody…it’s over.” Cody can take a break while Cena runs through the hits with Orton, Punk etc then he can return around summer/fall

[TheHeel]

The WWE really dropped the ball with WM this year. I felt like most of it was uninspiring. There were a few nice moments but overall it sucked.

[Mandy1320]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Everybody loves the underdog. Easy to cheer him after watching him get pushed around by Finn for weeks and weeks

That and anybody that watches week after week know the work a guy like that puts in. He's there every week doing something (mostly getting beat up).

It's nice to see the recognition no matter the face/heel aspect.

[Mandy1320]

Originally Posted by TimmyWeiss

This maybe thinking too deep into it, but is it possible that part of Cena's heel turn was putting out a lackluster WM match to prove his point that the crowd didn't deserve 100%?

I can't see them doing that with the money and fans invested, but maybe its denial over a match that was just so 'meh'.

He can definitely spin it that way if he reads what people are saying about the match.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Mandy1320

He can definitely spin it that way if he reads what people are saying about the match.

They should play it that way. Cena's heel turn has been all about how the fans don't deserve anything and how he's going to ruin wrestling and he's doing things for himself. It's all about what Cena wants, not the fans. So he can pull the "this is exactly the match I wanted and I don't care that the fans didn't like it."

[cdub6238]

WWE actively spitting in the face of Mick Foley and fans...

His "Cactus Jack" Hardcore belt that he wore last night is now on sale at WWE shop....for a mere $1200

[Jericho]

I just hope they dont feel the need to put the Womens IC Title on Liv now since Dom has the men's and she has nothing. It always seems like they feel the need to have a title on Liv for some reason. She's absolutely nothing special, but they protect her like she's their top talent.

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

WWE actively spitting in the face of Mick Foley and fans...

His "Cactus Jack" Hardcore belt that he wore last night is now on sale at WWE shop....for a mere $1200

I also saw that for just $75,000 you can own the outfit that John Cena was wearing when he turned on Cody Road that elimination chamber

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by Jericho

I just hope they dont feel the need to put the Womens IC Title on Liv now since Dom has the men's and she has nothing. It always seems like they feel the need to have a title on Liv for some reason. She's absolutely nothing special, but they protect her like she's their top talent.

She won the Slammy for Female Star of the Year yesterday.

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by whitmm

They should play it that way. Cena's heel turn has been all about how the fans don't deserve anything and how he's going to ruin wrestling and he's doing things for himself. It's all about what Cena wants, not the fans. So he can pull the "this is exactly the match I wanted and I don't care that the fans didn't like it."

He was on McAfee earlier today, and promised to take his belt home (along with all the tradition that comes with it - his words), saying WWE will have to create a new one and "start all over". That's his grand plan to "ruin wrestling", apparently.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Jericho

I just hope they dont feel the need to put the Womens IC Title on Liv now since Dom has the men's and she has nothing. It always seems like they feel the need to have a title on Liv for some reason. She's absolutely nothing special, but they protect her like she's their top talent.

Lyra is beyond boring, it would do a world of good to put the title on Liv.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Yes I have, and yes I've seen what you've mentioned. However, he still has his own heelish attitude. You can act subservient to others yet still be a heel. The only thing I can assume from this is he may be gaining sympathy. I for one hope he doesn't go back to being a face, as he was bland as hell.

And he still kinda is. The eventual story seems like it'll be Dom gets kicked out of the Judgement Day (or hopefully it just disbands, it hasn't been anything since Rhea/Priest were out of it).

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

He was on McAfee earlier today, and promised to take his belt home (along with all the tradition that comes with it - his words), saying WWE will have to create a new one and "start all over". That's his grand plan to "ruin wrestling", apparently.

Which I said he should do way back when he originally made those comments. Because the current belt actually represents 2 belts.

[ThatGuyPal]

Hey man is the man, prob got Pat in trouble and prob won’t be on the show again but that’s why I love em lol keeps it real unlike most