Bowman Red Rookie Redemption program

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by StlBen

Because anyone can win MVP. Only elligible players can win ROY. Of their checklist 8 fo the 30 aren't elligible as they don't qualify as rookies this year. Of the remaining 22, only like 2 are even long shots to win it. All the top contendors based on Vegas odds have either had Rookies in previous years (ie Jasson Dominguez), or dont even have rookie cards yet (ie Kristian Campbell).

Jacob Wilson is the current AL favorite and Sasaki is the current NL favorite if we are using Vegas odds. Crews is #2 in the NL. So three of the top 4 right now are among this group of 30. Obviously things will change as it's only April, but calling them longshots isn't accurate either.

[boxbuster7]

why are they saying new when this has been around for like 20 years?

[livfreely]

I’m in for a Mega Box of possibilities!

[ThoseBackPages]

Think this though...
First let the "cool" factor wear off.
You have to pull the REFRACTOR version of whichever player insert they choose to produce.
That player MUST win ROY.
Awesome. that gets you $100. not real $, Fanatics Credit.
Think of how much Bowman you'd have to rip.

[Rooftop]

Charlie had better odds buying Wonka bars

[Oriole Way]

Originally Posted by StlBen

Because anyone can win MVP. Only elligible players can win ROY. Of their checklist 8 fo the 30 aren't elligible as they don't qualify as rookies this year. Of the remaining 22, only like 2 are even long shots to win it. All the top contendors based on Vegas odds have either had Rookies in previous years (ie Jasson Dominguez), or dont even have rookie cards yet (ie Kristian Campbell).

You're missing my point, which is that at a certain time in the season, specific players' cards that are the heavy favorities to win those awards can be purchased/acquired as singles. So for example, Ohtani and Judge Topps Chromes right after Topps Chrome was released. In the case of this red rookie redemption, the early favorites are Sasaki, Crews, Wilson, and Campbell.

Anyone can then buy those specific cards for a fraction of their redemption/buyback value. It's the same basic process, with the major differences being LCSs aren't participating (as far as I know) and that the Topps Chrome buyback had many more eligible cards (both base and parallels) of the award-winning players.

[StlBen]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

why are they saying new when this has been around for like 20 years?

Because it hasn't.

[StlBen]

Originally Posted by Oriole Way

You're missing my point, which is that at a certain time in the season, specific players' cards that are the heavy favorities to win those awards can be purchased/acquired as singles. So for example, Ohtani and Judge Topps Chromes right after Topps Chrome was released. In the case of this red rookie redemption, the early favorites are Sasaki, Crews, Wilson, and Campbell.

Anyone can then buy those specific cards for a fraction of their redemption/buyback value. It's the same basic process, with the major differences being LCSs aren't participating (as far as I know) and that the Topps Chrome buyback had many more eligible cards (both base and parallels) of the award-winning players.

We have no idea how short printed the cards will be so it is very likely you won't be able to buy them for a fraction of the price. Especially not the front runners.

[Oriole Way]

Originally Posted by StlBen

We have no idea how short printed the cards will be so it is very likely you won't be able to buy them for a fraction of the price. Especially not the front runners.

I'd be willing to bet that all of the front runners will sell for less than the redemption number of $100. So, as I said, it'll be some sort of fraction of the value of the redemption.

Topps does a lot of stupid things, but running this kind of promotion and then short printing the cards so much that they sell on eBay, social media, and card shows for more than they can be redeemed for is simply not going to happen. And if it somehow does (Narrator: "It won't."), that's great for the people that pull them.

[premium1981]

I think on the surface, this sounds fine. Its a motivator for ripping wax and for them to sell more. I think this one falls flat though. I don't think it will have wow factor that they are hoping for, and will fall short of being comparable to the Topps Chrome buybacks. Meh.

[Triple B]

20 years from now, $700 isn't going to buy a lot of eggs.

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by premium1981

I think on the surface, this sounds fine. Its a motivator for ripping wax and for them to sell more. I think this one falls flat though. I don't think it will have wow factor that they are hoping for, and will fall short of being comparable to the Topps Chrome buybacks. Meh.

Yep. Agreed. I guess it depends on how prevalent they are though. Are they 1 per box, 1 per case? Need to know to make a determination.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by StlBen

Because it hasn't.

might want to do some research before you say something that is untrue

https://www.comc.com/Cards,sr,i100,=2008+topps+red+hot

[JRX]

You don't even get real money and 3 mvps or 3 cy youngs is an absurd hurdle. Plus hof is like what a min 20-25 years away? Oooh wow 1000 in fake money that can only be used to buy more cards 25 years from now?

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by StlBen

Because it hasn't.

ok. I didn't realize there was money attached to it so my bad.

But $100? $1,000?

if they maybe added another zero to each one it would bring interest but those payouts are pitiful.

[green4407]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Think this though...
First let the "cool" factor wear off.
You have to pull the REFRACTOR version of whichever player insert they choose to produce.
That player MUST win ROY.
Awesome. that gets you $100. not real $, Fanatics Credit.
Think of how much Bowman you'd have to rip.

I got two $50 fanatics live credits from montgomery club. Turned that $100 into about $5 worth of cards!

[boxbuster7]

#thehobby

[livfreely]

Who cares about the fancash, just give me the red RC logo 😝

[StlBen]

Originally Posted by Oriole Way

I'd be willing to bet that all of the front runners will sell for less than the redemption number of $100. So, as I said, it'll be some sort of fraction of the value of the redemption.

Topps does a lot of stupid things, but running this kind of promotion and then short printing the cards so much that they sell on eBay, social media, and card shows for more than they can be redeemed for is simply not going to happen. And if it somehow does (Narrator: "It won't."), that's great for the people that pull them.

Why would they for sure sell for under $100? If they are Short Printed and someone things they will for sure be Hall Of Famers...they may be willin to pay more than $100. There are also all kinds of SP rookie cards that regularly sell for more than $100 that don't have any buy back value.

[StlBen]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

might want to do some research before you say something that is untrue

https://www.comc.com/Cards,sr,i100,=2008+topps+red+hot

Might want to read what the post is about before calling someone out about doing research...

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by StlBen

Might want to read what the post is about before calling someone out about doing research...

I watched a bit of the video and then turned it off cause it was in the "10x the hobby" voice

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by premium1981

I think on the surface, this sounds fine. Its a motivator for ripping wax and for them to sell more. I think this one falls flat though. I don't think it will have wow factor that they are hoping for, and will fall short of being comparable to the Topps Chrome buybacks. Meh.

Agreed. This is a swing and a miss.

[whitmm]

How, in all of their meetings about this, did nobody stop for one second and question why 8 players who are ineligible to win ROY in 2025 or any future year were included. When in order to be eligible for any redemption, they have to win ROY.

Edit: looked at the checklist. Appears they just listed all 30 RCs in the set.

[ottobord]

I'm thinking a PSA 10 of one these cards will be worth more in real cash then if redeemed for fanatics cash .

[Dbacksbaseball]

It had a chance to be a solid idea.

20 years for max payout of around a stacked 2K? If the are actually short printed and rare in 20 years the value would be so much more.

If someone makes the hall of fame and say there is 25 copies of each they should make it enticing and be a huge amount of money.

They also missed the ways they could ‘fluff’ the cards, All Star Nods, Batting Titles, Gold Gloves, No hitters, save milestones etc. So much more could have been done to give every card a chance of winning something.

That 28 year old reliever might not win a CYA but he may get an All Star game. Just saying.