23-24 SP Authentic future watch autos QC

[Ehawk89]

Looking at the ratios on PSA for 10s vs 9s or lower, buying 10s if you come across them for sale seems like a smarter play than buying raw.

How could such a much hyped set have such QC issues. It's almost like PSA has conspired with UD, and Panini to ignore QC to keep pop counts down.

[ZappBrannigan]

Originally Posted by Ehawk89

Looking at the ratios on PSA for 10s vs 9s or lower, buying 10s if you come across them for sale seems like a smarter play than buying raw.

How could such a much hyped set have such QC issues. It's almost like PSA has conspired with UD, and Panini to ignore QC to keep pop counts down.

It's cards made of paper.

[Ehawk89]

Originally Posted by ZappBrannigan

It's cards made of paper.

Yeah, doesn't change the fact the QC was much better in 21-22.

[FatButcher]

Design did not help this set, the foiling in the upper left corner is the most common culprit. I broke a case and sent exactly one card to be graded.

[KayneofThrones]

This set is condition sensitive. I've sent in almost 50 Future watch autos, and only got 4 10's. The foil in the corners is almost always an issue, and the bottom right corners often seem to come out of the packs soft.

You can imagine my surprise when this bad boy arrived in a GEM MINT 10. It was the only card that didn't have issues with the foil or the corners. I knew it had a chance, and voila!

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by KayneofThrones

This set is condition sensitive. I've sent in almost 50 Future watch autos, and only got 4 10's. The foil in the corners is almost always an issue, and the bottom right corners often seem to come out of the packs soft.

You can imagine my surprise when this bad boy arrived in a GEM MINT 10. It was the only card that didn't have issues with the foil or the corners. I knew it had a chance, and voila!

That's funny you say that, because there are still issues with the upper left and lower right corners.

The upper left isn't bad, or as bad as many I've seen, but the lower right is a 'tipped' corner and I'm surprised they let it slide.

[KayneofThrones]

Originally Posted by stoopid

That's funny you say that, because there are still issues with the upper left and lower right corners.

The upper left isn't bad, or as bad as many I've seen, but the lower right is a 'tipped' corner and I'm surprised they let it slide.

It has to be a reflection because there isn't one on the card itself. I will try to get a better picture, but it's flawless in person.

[kingb22]

21-22 was an underrated set because the quality was quite good. I can't remember exactly my PSA 10 %s but well over 50%. The issue now is too many key players were redemptions and they've either expired or will soon

[KayneofThrones]

Originally Posted by stoopid

That's funny you say that, because there are still issues with the upper left and lower right corners.

The upper left isn't bad, or as bad as many I've seen, but the lower right is a 'tipped' corner and I'm surprised they let it slide.

Here's a better look. You can see clearly now how sharp these corners are without the reflections from the holder/team bag. It's definitely a rare one as most of these FWA's are soft on both. I'd say PSA got it right based on my scoping it before sending. Sorry for bigger pics, easier to see at this size.

[ThatGuyPal]

It’s funny how everyone is upset or thinks it’s dumb the Cup RPAs are in slabs and then there’s a thread like this lolllll

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by KayneofThrones

Here's a better look. You can see clearly now how sharp these corners are without the reflections from the holder/team bag. It's definitely a rare one as most of these FWA's are soft on both. I'd say PSA got it right based on my scoping it before sending. Sorry for bigger pics, easier to see at this size.

I thought the upper left was the only foiled part, the bottom right is too. I haven't bought one of these FWAs yet, so very good to know to watch for light playing tricks. Looks clean in these closeups!

[KayneofThrones]

Originally Posted by stoopid

I thought the upper left was the only foiled part, the bottom right is too. I haven't bought one of these FWAs yet, so very good to know to watch for light playing tricks. Looks clean in these closeups!

The bottom right is paper with no foiling except for the small ring portion in the partial circle. But, for some reason, it's still a problematic area for these FWA's from 2023.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by KayneofThrones

The bottom right is paper with no foiling except for the small ring portion in the partial circle. But, for some reason, it's still a problematic area for these FWA's from 2023.

Might be the silvery print then, the first pic definitely showed a lower right corner issue that is clearly not present on the second and the only explanation was light angle/reflection. Any dings on other cards, if consistent on many of them, is probably just typical QC issue.

[KayneofThrones]

Originally Posted by stoopid

Might be the silvery print then, the first pic definitely showed a lower right corner issue that is clearly not present on the second and the only explanation was light angle/reflection. Any dings on other cards, if consistent on many of them, is probably just typical QC issue.

Agreed. The set is infested with QC issues. Given the hype and price tag of this release, more care should have went into not only the quality control, but the design. Surely someone at UD knew this design would carry more issues. I'm largely ok with the esthetics of the card, but the silver foil should have been a little more calculated.

[anusinha]

Also note that the top/bottom centering can be way off. That Knies looks 60/40 at best

[FatButcher]

I sent this one card from the case I opened, was really hoping that the retro design would grade better, no dice. I thought it looked pretty clean, hard to tell from the PSA scans, not back in hand yet.


Edit to add the letters in the first name are hopefully just angle or something as they were intact on the way to them.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by FatButcher

I sent this one card from the case I opened, was really hoping that the retro design would grade better, no dice. I thought it looked pretty clean, hard to tell from the PSA scans, not back in hand yet.


Edit to add the letters in the first name are hopefully just angle or something as they were intact on the way to them.

Looks like you got the centering nazi. See how the left border is skinnier than the top one?

[KayneofThrones]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Also note that the top/bottom centering can be way off. That Knies looks 60/40 at best

I believe that's the design of the set. At least that's how it looks. I took a look at 25 or so Future Watch auto's /999 on ebay, and they all have a thicker top area than the bottom.

[FatButcher]

Originally Posted by KayneofThrones

I believe that's the design of the set. At least that's how it looks. I took a look at 25 or so Future Watch auto's /999 on ebay, and they all have a thicker top area than the bottom.

Yeah I think it's the design, though no telling if they are just all off-center lol. In my case all the retros looked like this or slightly worse.

No doubt the grader may not be very familiar with the actual design intent took a Quick Look and dinged it.

[Ehawk89]

Seems they're letting some 10s get away with minor chipping on the back top right edge too. 10s seem to be all over the place for centering.