Junior Caminero Needs a Thread!!!

[mrmojorisin71]

This card might be my favorite so far. The refractor look is clean on the design and team colors.


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[Jwax13]

Picked up another

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

There are worse ways to spend $15…




…probably better ways too

[mrmojorisin71]

Today’s gold


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[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

There are worse ways to spend $15…




…probably better ways too

Great set!

[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by Jwax13

Picked up another

I don’t do autos but this is ONE to get. Very nice!!!!!

I’ve been thinking about grabbing a TC base auto just to have.

[mrmojorisin71]

1st all star team!

[jdandns]

Congrats to young Caminero. He's also going to be in the Home Run Derby.

[hermanotarjeta]

Camdy man #22!

[hermanotarjeta]

Derby bound - welp, there goes his second half power.

[mgip21]

Now a starting all-star!!

[hermanotarjeta]

Quiet #23.

[rwperu34]

Caminero is on pace for 40 in his age 21 season. If he can get there, he would join some elite company;

1) Eddie Mathews, 47
2) Mel Ott (age 20), 42
3) Ronald Acuna, 41

Frangraphs projects him to finish with 36. If he hits that number he'd still be tied for #7 with A-Rod. The other three with 36+ are Pujols, Frank Robinson, and Bellinger.

At 23 HR, Caminero is already tied for 41st place with Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, A-Rod (again), Ron Santo, and some dude named Dick Kokos.

[kyle1707]

Imagine if he was in a big market

His cards are very quite for what he is doing

[Imnottheonly]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Imagine if he was in a big market

His cards are very quite for what he is doing

Somehow he’s already a post hype player at 22, those meh callups the last few years apparently led to him being completely overlooked by the hobby this year.

He’s cutting his chase rate (which is still high) improving his contact rates, upping his exit velocities, and has top of the scale bat speed. The HR’s I’ve been seeing but his under the hood metrics look really good…

Damn I can’t afford to start chasing another young guy!

[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by Imnottheonly

Somehow he’s already a post hype player at 22, those meh callups the last few years apparently led to him being completely overlooked by the hobby this year.

He’s cutting his chase rate (which is still high) improving his contact rates, upping his exit velocities, and has top of the scale bat speed. The HR’s I’ve been seeing but his under the hood metrics look really good…

Damn I can’t afford to start chasing another young guy!

Its cards are STUPID reasonable. It’s was the early call-up, throupled with a terrible fan base and the fact he didn’t his 50 Hrs and hit 300 with a .950 ops right out the gates. I have another big mail opening and I’ll post em here.

Home run derby may change the course of his pricing, depending on how he does.

Side note: do people really care about chase rate in the collecting world? See PCA, he swings at everything.

[Imnottheonly]

Originally Posted by mrmojorisin71

Its cards are STUPID reasonable. It’s was the early call-up, throupled with a terrible fan base and the fact he didn’t his 50 Hrs and hit 300 with a .950 ops right out the gates. I have another big mail opening and I’ll post em here.

Home run derby may change the course of his pricing, depending on how he does.

Side note: do people really care about chase rate in the collecting world? See PCA, he swings at everything.

Do they care about chase rate? Not directly but it’s one of those factors that helps project how sustainable success might be. I don’t personally want to buy a guy who’s got a high chase rate, high HR/FB% and low exit velocities because it points to regression more than progression. PCA is a good call out because your looking at below average bat speed, below average exit velocity and above average chase rates but he’s performing so are you betting on him continuing to out perform is underlying metrics or that at some point they catch up with him?

The track records for guys who are allergic to taking pitches isn’t usually that good once the league learns to adjust. The hitters who can adjust right back and refine their approach become stars but ones that don’t kind of sit in that second tier of good but flawed.

[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by Imnottheonly

Do they care about chase rate? Not directly but it’s one of those factors that helps project how sustainable success might be. I don’t personally want to buy a guy who’s got a high chase rate, high HR/FB% and low exit velocities because it points to regression more than progression. PCA is a good call out because your looking at below average bat speed, below average exit velocity and above average chase rates but he’s performing so are you betting on him continuing to out perform is underlying metrics or that at some point they catch up with him?

The track records for guys who are allergic to taking pitches isn’t usually that good once the league learns to adjust. The hitters who can adjust right back and refine their approach become stars but ones that don’t kind of sit in that second tier of good but flawed.

I was suggesting that. Personally, I’m a fan of contact hitters in general. Putting the ball in play is much more valuable than anything else to me. I mentioned PCA because he’s going to come back to earth; in fact, look how exposed he was in the most recent 3 game set against the Astros. Why throw a dude strikes if he’s gonna swing at anything near the plate.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by Imnottheonly

Do they care about chase rate? Not directly but it’s one of those factors that helps project how sustainable success might be. I don’t personally want to buy a guy who’s got a high chase rate, high HR/FB% and low exit velocities because it points to regression more than progression. PCA is a good call out because your looking at below average bat speed, below average exit velocity and above average chase rates but he’s performing so are you betting on him continuing to out perform is underlying metrics or that at some point they catch up with him?

The track records for guys who are allergic to taking pitches isn’t usually that good once the league learns to adjust. The hitters who can adjust right back and refine their approach become stars but ones that don’t kind of sit in that second tier of good but flawed.

You're right and I asked a similar question in the PCA thread but it's been half a year, you'd think if it was as simple as not throwing to him in the zone every team would have that pinned on their bulletin board for the series but apparently either they haven't figured it out or there's more to it than that

[Imnottheonly]

Originally Posted by kipgen

You're right and I asked a similar question in the PCA thread but it's been half a year, you'd think if it was as simple as not throwing to him in the zone every team would have that pinned on their bulletin board for the series but apparently either they haven't figured it out or there's more to it than that

I don’t know man, go look at Julio Rodriguez’s fangraphs page and compare is 2023 underlying metrics to PCA’s 2025. Then look at J-rod’s 2025 and compare them to PCA’s 2025. I’m not saying the wheels fall off tomorrow I’m just saying be cautious when the underlying metrics and the results seem a bit out of whack.

[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by Imnottheonly

I don’t know man, go look at Julio Rodriguez’s fangraphs page and compare is 2023 underlying metrics to PCA’s 2025. Then look at J-rod’s 2025 and compare them to PCA’s 2025. I’m not saying the wheels fall off tomorrow I’m just saying be cautious when the underlying metrics and the results seem a bit out of whack.

That year Tim Anderson won the batting title is prime example for metics not making sense.

[Imnottheonly]

Originally Posted by mrmojorisin71

That year Tim Anderson won the batting title is prime example for metics not making sense.

Yes and how did that turn out? You can out perform your underlying measures for a time but usually it catches up. Some guys can do it for a long long time and some people the fall can be much much faster.

Turning this back to Caminero his underlying metrics are amazing and combined with his age and pricing he seems like a great guy to be scooping up even if he plays on a team no one cares about.

[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by Imnottheonly

Yes and how did that turn out? You can out perform your underlying measures for a time but usually it catches up. Some guys can do it for a long long time and some people the fall can be much much faster.

Turning this back to Caminero his underlying metrics are amazing and combined with his age and pricing he seems like a great guy to be scooping up even if he plays on a team no one cares about.

100 percent agree.

[ObanMontecristo]

Just picked up a ‘24 Topps Inception Game Fielding Glove Auto Relic #/25… wish the auto was on-card, but it’s still a cool add to the PC

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by mrmojorisin71

Its cards are STUPID reasonable. It’s was the early call-up, throupled with a terrible fan base and the fact he didn’t his 50 Hrs and hit 300 with a .950 ops right out the gates. I have another big mail opening and I’ll post em here.

Home run derby may change the course of his pricing, depending on how he does.

Side note: do people really care about chase rate in the collecting world? See PCA, he swings at everything.

I'm going to go through and raise the price on some of my stash in anticipation of this, and the potential for a 35-40 HR season.