First Buzz: 2025 Topps The Joy of Baseball Bob Ross X MLB

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by STLtoMN

this is one of the worst drops i have ever been a part of. literally no part of the system worked correctly

Now multiple that by 6-9 (for a total of 6-9 hours of such frustration) and that was the 2017-2019 Panini BKB FOTL experience (before they started doing the dutch auctions).

[eastbayak]

On a side note, just saw that Matt Williams has a SF Giants autograph in the set. Pretty awesome to see as he was one of my favorite players growing up (and has a lot of Arizona D autos).

[Cardsareus84]

Looks like it finally sold out. Well at least it appears that way.

[mossoholic]

You guys have pretty bad memories on panini 2017-2019. Minus the first Prizm FOTL basketball and the couple releases in late 2019. Those in demand products sold out in minutes.

[Bob Ross]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I don't know how others feel but I prefer this system to EQL. Although a little painful, at least one has an actual chance of scoring boxes. Reminds me of a "less painful" Panini FOTL drop from 2017-2019.

Way better than EQL. EQL is a corrupt system and I don't understand how people say its better.

[Dave34]

Is it too much to ask for Topps to add a "sold out" by a product if it is sold out?

[auctionjmm]

I'm not convinced this is sold out yet either. You cannot add ANYTHING to the cart on their entire site. Once the cart is fixed (who knows how long), there might still be product left.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Way better than EQL. EQL is a corrupt system and I don't understand how people say its better.

100%

Originally Posted by Dave34

Is it too much to ask for Topps to add a "sold out"
by a product if it is sold out?

A product is sold out until it's not sold out.

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

I'm not convinced this is sold out yet either. You cannot add ANYTHING to the cart on their entire site. Once the cart is fixed (who knows how long), there might still be product left.

Although it's probably sold out at this point, it never hurts to continue monitoring.

[Dave34]

Maybe Fanatics tracks "engagement" metrics so they can point IPO investors to the number of people who keep trying to buy sold out products after being informed it is actually sold out.

Then don't point investors to the fact it was sold out at like 12:10 EST and people kept buying it for an hour...

[Cardsareus84]

The collector boxes keep coming back in stock. I can't buy anymore because I already got 3 (cases were gone super fast). Looks like the Happy Little Box may be out but who knows.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Dave34

Maybe Fanatics tracks "engagement" metrics so they can point IPO investors to the number of people who keep trying to buy sold out products after being informed it is actually sold out.

Then don't point investors to the fact it was sold out at like 12:10 EST and people kept buying it for an hour...

And anyone with a brain would ask if it’s that popular why aren’t you charging more.

[yoyosh]

I was able to buy 1 Collector's Box, I guess that's a W!

[TheWrightStuff]

I was never able to get a pur have to go through, teied over and over. Just wanted a collector box to open. Oh well.

[Tibbs2004]

Originally Posted by TheWrightStuff

I was never able to get a pur have to go through, teied over and over. Just wanted a collector box to open. Oh well.

Same here, this was really the only product I have looked forward to ripping this year. We can always buy a box on eBay for $650+!!

[Boredlawyer]

Well the odds are already wonky. Get ready for some weirdness.

Advertised as one #'d parallel per happy little box a/k/a per pack. I tend to trust this calculation:
-100 base subjects * 375 numbered parallels per player =37,500 base #'d parallels

-50 total inserts * 300 numbered parallels per player = 15,000 #'d insert parallels

=52,500 packs / 8 packs per box
=6,562 boxes /5 boxes per case
=1,312 cases (not all made it into case form)

SP's inserted 2 per box;
-20 Beauty is Everywhere SP; 20 Happy Mistakes SP
If print runs are equal, 164 copies of each SP

150 total non-auto Midnight 1/1s:
1:43 boxes

Here's where it gets silly.

I count 84 auto subjects. 2023 featured non-numbered, non-parallel autos. Topps lists the various numbered parallels.
Based on the numbers, there are 300 numbered autographs of each player. At an advertised 2 per box, that means there are 13,124 total boxes in the population.

Well 300 * 84 = 25,200 already nearly doubles that number because boxes were established at 6,562 based on non-autograph #'d parallel odds.

On one hand, Topps will probably not produce auto variations #'d higher than 25 for big names. So I imagine no autos higher than 25 for Trout, Witt, Soto, Skenes, Betts, Acuna, Judge, Ohtani, Julio Rodriguez, Griffey, Jr., Rickey Henderson, Randy Johnson, Chipper, Mattingly, Pujols, Posey, Ichiro, Jeter, Koufax. Maybe some of those do in fact sign more, maybe a few names are off, but it really doesn't matter--I estimate 20/84 names won't have the rest of the parallels, and will have extremely shortprinted base versions. Let's say each of the 20 folks signed 41/300 numbered cards, and that removes 259 autos for these folks = 5,180 less = 20,020 total autos.

This is still a 35% higher autograph population than the pack odds--and that doesn't even take into account the un-numbered base autos, which existed in 2023.

Let's say that every player had an autograph #'d to 25 or less, which is fairly common for Topps products like this:
2100 total autos /25 = 1:3.1 boxes has auto to 25
840 total autos /10 = 1:7.8 boxes has auto to 10
420 total autos /5 = 1:15.6 boxes has auto to 5
84 1/1s = 1:78.1 boxes has 1/1 auto

Essentially, slightly under 1:2 boxes has an auto to 25 or less based on these odds.

That means that either a TON of boxes are going to feature three autographs, or almost every star on the checklist will be extremely shortprinted compared to the Orelvis Martinezs and Shay Whitcombs.

[njsportscardguy]

Dare I acknowledge as such, but; the indefensible & unjustifiable....SIXTY-FIVE PERCENT PRICE INCREASE (65%)...(before taxes),...over the very-same 2023 release, seems almost like a "GIFT" from Craptastics, to direct customers...seeing as the flipper bois and snakes-in-the-grass are already getting $600+/per box!?!?

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

Dare I acknowledge as such, but; the indefensible & unjustifiable....SIXTY-FIVE PERCENT PRICE INCREASE (65%)...(before taxes),...over the very-same 2023 release, seems almost like a "GIFT" from Craptastics, to direct customers...seeing as the flipper bois and snakes-in-the-grass are already getting $600+/per box!?!?

To be fair, this product and checklist are definitely superior.

2023 had Gunnar, Carroll, Adley RCs. This one has Wood, PCA, Sasaki... and a MUCH better auto checklist.

2023 didn't have Shohei, Jeter, Koufax, Trout, Mookie, Rickey Henderson, Ichiro, Soto, Judge, Griffey, Jr., Skenes. It's probably the best checklist of living players they could put out sans Chan Ho Park and Hideo Nomo.

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

To be fair, this product and checklist are definitely superior.

2023 had Gunnar, Carroll, Adley RCs. This one has Wood, PCA, Sasaki... and a MUCH better auto checklist.

2023 didn't have Shohei, Jeter, Koufax, Trout, Mookie, Rickey Henderson, Ichiro, Soto, Judge, Griffey, Jr., Skenes. It's probably the best checklist of living players they could put out sans Chan Ho Park and Hideo Nomo.

The good autos are going to be so SSP'ed. Especially with stickers, there's nothing stopping them from just doing 50 autos of those stars to get the names on the checklist. But also, people in 2025 are dumb when it comes to wax prices and are just fine getting kicked in the balls opening boxes of a set like this.

[mossoholic]

Every case listing on ebay is a bot user. Including some with multiple cases listed. One of them also has 8 single boxes listed separate from the cases.

[kidfan9]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Payment processor kicked the bucket at first. When people started giving up orders were going through.

By the way, they didn't ask my permission to do this set.

This seems like a clear violation of your copyright! My suggestion is that since you are currently dead you need to come back to life and speak with an attorney ASAP…good luck! This sounds like an open and shut case!

[Handsome Wes]

Originally Posted by hammertime

I can't even tell if people are joking or not anymore.

No, these are legitimately beautiful

[StlBen]

Remember when these came out 2 years ago and everyone just complained about Bob Ross and his rights.....

[jduds]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

To be fair, this product and checklist are definitely superior.

2023 had Gunnar, Carroll, Adley RCs. This one has Wood, PCA, Sasaki... and a MUCH better auto checklist.

2023 didn't have Shohei, Jeter, Koufax, Trout, Mookie, Rickey Henderson, Ichiro, Soto, Judge, Griffey, Jr., Skenes. It's probably the best checklist of living players they could put out sans Chan Ho Park and Hideo Nomo.

PCA isn't a rookie in this. The general consensus before the start of the season was that this rookie class is thin. Wood is really the main draw (and he's not as hyped as I thought he might be). Wilson is nice, but not your traditional hobby darling. I don't think many would consider the rookies in this on par with 2023. Some of those players didn't turn out as great as expected, but there were certainly more chased after rookies in that version.
The auto checklist is great, but so was the checklist for my favorite set, 206. Many of the big names from that checklist have only had one copy surface. A couple of announced players still haven't surfaced to my knowledge (Koufax, Piazza). It's a very strong auto list, but I'd wait before praising it too much yet.
It's a strong product, but I still think 2023 was stronger.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by StlBen

Remember when these came out 2 years ago and everyone just complained about Bob Ross and his rights.....

Nope, I just remember skipping out on the product....what a dumb move that was LOL.

I just re-visited the 2023 thread and saw (again) that you sold a pen for ~$175. I wonder if the 2025 pens will bring in some good prices haha.

[StlBen]

Imagine if they had made this with 2024's checklist...