Has anyone seen an increase in strange communication during negotiations/transactions

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

When you go to a grocery store the standard is either credit card or cash. Stores will state “3% upcharge if using credit card” as transparency to tell the buyer BEFORE the purchase what to expect.

To my knowledge and my experience on earth, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone walking into their local grocery store and announcing to the manager that they will be trying to pay for their items with pesos, bitcoin, a bar of gold or any other method other than cash or card. That’s because some things go without saying. So generally speaking, 95% of the card industry take PayPal. The ones that don’t raise an immediate scammer flag, it’s it’s assumed PayPal is the avenue of choice for the hobby, and since I’m paying for a good and agreed to PP’s T&S, I’m going to pay goods

Interesting because in Texas stores (Walmart Target HEB) assume people are using credit and price their items based off that. Anyone who pays cash just put extra money in the stores pocket

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by Blazed

Interesting because in Texas stores (Walmart Target HEB) assume people are using credit and price their items based off that. Anyone who pays cash just put extra money in the stores pocket

So you are saying the seller accounts for the credit card fee in the initial price of their item?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

So you are saying the seller accounts for the credit card fee in the initial price of their item?

Some do, some don't. It's the responsibility of the parties to find out the terms and come to agreement. Not complicated.

But two dudes buying/selling cards on facebook is not a store. When you start assuming everyone is on the same page is when things go wrong. A wise buyer never assumes. Get the terms out there right away. Thinking every transaction should or will be on the same terms you are used to is stupid.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Some do, some don't. It's the responsibility of the parties to find out the terms and come to agreement. Not complicated.

But two dudes buying/selling cards on facebook is not a store. When you start assuming everyone is on the same page is when things go wrong. A wise buyer never assumes. Get the terms out there right away. Thinking every transaction should or will be on the same terms you are used to is stupid.

It’s not complicated. Not at all. I asked for prices on cards daily. At no point in time have I ever felt the need to say… not has anyone ever said to me the following:

“Hello,

I am inquiring about the price of your card. Before I get a price, I would like you to ensure you include all of your fees into the asking price. This fees include but are not limited to: PayPal fees, sales tax, income tax, bubble wrap, bubble mailer, driving to the post office, gas, and potentially the coffee you get in the way. If you would please ensure your price is including all of those items before we negotiate.”

I’ll say what I’ve said multiple times now, transactions were never an issue until the COVID flippers came in with shady business practices and no transparency.

I know you are truly adamant that the way you do things are the right way. But you said you’ve done dozens of deals and you don’t sell, so speaking in absolutely on one side of the table is interesting. I’d be very interested to see what the communication looks like when you message someone inquiring about a card.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

It’s not complicated. Not at all. I asked for prices on cards daily. At no point in time have I ever felt the need to say… not has anyone ever said to me the following:



“Hello,



I am inquiring about the price of your card. Before I get a price, I would like you to ensure you include all of your fees into the asking price. This fees include but are not limited to: PayPal fees, sales tax, income tax, bubble wrap, bubble mailer, driving to the post office, gas, and potentially the coffee you get in the way. If you would please ensure your price is including all of those items before we negotiate.”



I’ll say what I’ve said multiple times now, transactions were never an issue until the COVID flippers came in with shady business practices and no transparency.



I know you are truly adamant that the way you do things are the right way. But you said you’ve done dozens of deals and you don’t sell, so speaking in absolutely on one side of the table is interesting. I’d be very interested to see what the communication looks like when you message someone inquiring about a card.

One thing is for sure, when I inquire about a card it is a pleasant conversation and both sides feel like it was an open and fair deal.

Unlike you, whose message is "claim!", and gets to the end of the transaction hoping this seller does things the way he's used to when the hobby, the world, and the internet was vastly different.

Things have changed. Get with the times or continue to have to make threads on message boards about the good old days.

I guess I'm just easier to deal with than you. I recognize not everyone does things the same way, or the way I'm used to, or has the experience that I do (ironically is more experience than you, but you keep suggesting it's not). I don't get upset by those things and I'm open to talking through it with a seller, rather than rant at the clouds. But you do you.

Ironically, I see you ignored the other post where you gave the perfect example to support my way of doing things.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

One thing is for sure, when I inquire about a card it is a pleasant conversation and both sides feel like it was an open and fair deal.

Unlike you, whose message is "claim!", and gets to the end of the transaction hoping this seller does things the way he's used to when the hobby, the world, and the internet was vastly different.

Things have changed. Get with the times or continue to have to make threads on message boards about the good old days.

I guess I'm just easier to deal with than you. I recognize not everyone does things the same way, or the way I'm used to, or has the experience that I do (ironically is more experience than you, but you keep suggesting it's not). I don't get upset by those things and I'm open to talking through it with a seller, rather than rant at the clouds. But you do you.

Ironically, I see you ignored the other post where you gave the perfect example to support my way of doing things.

Is there at all any chance that in your “dozens” of purchases and 0 sales, that maybe, just maybe, when you joined Facebook after COVID, you were taught the wrong way or joined a group the did things the wrong way?

To say you have more experience than me but don’t sell cards and only have “dozens” of purchases on Facebook is a bit off. You mentioned, “Rather than rants at the clouds”, yet you keep arguing with everyone on here and no one has agreed with you. If you can’t look in the mirror and say, hmm, maybe my small sample size absolutely could possibly be inaccurate, than that is on you.

The next time a buyer messages me and says, “Hello, I’d like to claim your card, but before I do, I would like to be transparent and tell you I intend on paying with paypal goods and services and I will cover your fees”, I’ll make sure to come back in here and tell you. But I’ll put up any amount of money you want that less than 2 of my next 40 sales won’t even discuss a payment method outside me me posting my paypal address and the buyer sending me goods at that price.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

Is there at all any chance that in your “dozens” of purchases and 0 sales, that maybe, just maybe, when you joined Facebook after COVID, you were taught the wrong way or joined a group the did things the wrong way?

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I know reading is hard for you, but I already explained this. I have been buying cards online for over 26 years. I sold a lot back in the early days, but haven't sold much lately as I buy to collect. But I've bought more cards for my collection than you have, and have been doing it a lot longer. I've done uncountable thousands of deals. The fact that you keep going back to this tells me you understand I'm right about the proper way for a buyer and seller to communicate, and you have nothing but attacking your false claims of my experience.

Your repeated strawmen examples are comical. None of them are remotely close to anything I've said, but it sure makes you feel like you've actually made a point. So keep it up, buddy. Your self esteem needs it.

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

So you are saying the seller accounts for the credit card fee in the initial price of their item?

Yes

Like i just said, when I do deals its "xxx dlvd"

I don't need a break down because I don't care

If I like the price I pay

No reason to make things complicated

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by Blazed

Yes

Like i just said, when I do deals its "xxx dlvd"

I don't need a break down because I don't care

If I like the price I pay

No reason to make things complicated

I completely agree with you. That being said, if that other poster is a lawyer, doesn’t sell, and only has “dozens” of purchases, he may just operate in a more complicated “check every box like a contract” way in card transactions.

It’s really not difficult as you said.
Seller posts price
Buyer claims card
Buyer pays the price via g&s
Seller ships card

Pretty simple. Anything past that just sucks the life and joy out of the hobby and complicates a simple long-standing process

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

I completely agree with you. That being said, if that other poster is a lawyer, doesn’t sell, and only has “dozens” of purchases, he may just operate in a more complicated “check every box like a contract” way in card transactions.



It’s really not difficult as you said.

Seller posts price

Buyer claims card

Buyer pays the price via g&s

Seller ships card



Pretty simple. Anything past that just sucks the life and joy out of the hobby and complicates a simple long-standing process

Reading is hard. Everything he said I have completely agreed with. The fact that you think otherwise says you don't even understand the discussion.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Reading is hard. Everything he said I have completely agreed with. The fact that you think otherwise says you don't even understand the discussion.

You’ve been doing this 26 years (so what, you are 44 years old plus)
You are lawyer (not sure why that needs to be promoted in a screen name?)
“Reading is hard” “you obviously can’t read” “I’ve been doing this long that you” “I’ve bought more than you” “I’m easier to deal with than you”

All very strange comments to make as an adult when just discussing cards and transactions.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

You’ve been doing this 26 years (so what, you are 44 years old plus)

You are lawyer (not sure why that needs to be promoted in a screen name?)

“Reading is hard” “you obviously can’t read” “I’ve been doing this long that you” “I’ve bought more than you” “I’m easier to deal with than you”



All very strange comments to make as an adult when just discussing cards and transactions.

Almost as strange as making a thread to complain about everything you don't like about some sellers.