**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread**

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B1G FLY!!!

[kyle1707]

Amazing he is 34 today

Harper trout got me back into baseball cards 15 years ago

Hopefully he can stay healthy for a few years

Very polarizing player on blowout. But if you are the best player in a sport for 5-6-7 years you are an all time player imo

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Amazing he is 34 today

Harper trout got me back into baseball cards 15 years ago

Hopefully he can stay healthy for a few years

Very polarizing player on blowout. But if you are the best player in a sport for 5-6-7 years you are an all time player imo

Agreed, right around 45 games left in the season. Hopefully, he can play in 30+ of those and get back to 2022 number of 119 games played. If he plays 33 more, that will get him to 120 which is the most since 2019. Batting average is lower, but I can see him getting to 25 HRs. I think that would be a successful season. Not a "Trout of old" season, but getting in 120 games and having 25 hrs, 60-70 RBIs is a boost from what we have seen recently.

[theredmenace]

Hopefully he follows Vlad Sr and hits 399/400 in the same game this weekend!

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Agreed, right around 45 games left in the season. Hopefully, he can play in 30+ of those and get back to 2022 number of 119 games played. If he plays 33 more, that will get him to 120 which is the most since 2019. Batting average is lower, but I can see him getting to 25 HRs. I think that would be a successful season. Not a "Trout of old" season, but getting in 120 games and having 25 hrs, 60-70 RBIs is a boost from what we have seen recently.

So Heliot Ramos numbers is the goal for Mike Trout?

[Stifle]

Ages to 33
Trout :
G 1605, PA 7,023, AB 5819, R 1171, H 1722, 2B 320, 3B 55, HR 398, RBI 1004, SB 214,
CS 38, BB 1038, SO 1599, 296/408/575/983 TB 3346 GIDP 73, HBP 105, IBB 130

Pujols :
G 1958, PA 8546, AB 7310, R 1425, H 2347, 2B 524, 3B 15, HR 492, RBI 1498, SB 93, CS 37, BB 1067, SO 835, 321/410/599/1008, TB 4377, GIDP 269, HBP 87, IBB 275

Miggy :
G 2096, PA 9001, AB 7,853, R 1321, H 2519, 2B 523, 3B 17, HR 446, RBI 1553, SB 38, CS 20, BB 1011, SO 1516 321/399/562/961 TB 4,414, GIDP 279, HBP 57, IBB 220


All three are elite players but I would want as much production by the same age as possible. I didn’t even want to go with Post Season, no need.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Ages to 33
Trout :
G 1605, PA 7,023, AB 5819, R 1171, H 1722, 2B 320, 3B 55, HR 398, RBI 1004, SB 214,
CS 38, BB 1038, SO 1599, 296/408/575/983 TB 3346 GIDP 73, HBP 105, IBB 130

Pujols :
G 1958, PA 8546, AB 7310, R 1425, H 2347, 2B 524, 3B 15, HR 492, RBI 1498, SB 93, CS 37, BB 1067, SO 835, 321/410/599/1008, TB 4377, GIDP 269, HBP 87, IBB 275

Miggy :
G 2096, PA 9001, AB 7,853, R 1321, H 2519, 2B 523, 3B 17, HR 446, RBI 1553, SB 38, CS 20, BB 1011, SO 1516 321/399/562/961 TB 4,414, GIDP 279, HBP 57, IBB 220


All three are elite players but I would want as much production by the same age as possible. I didn’t even want to go with Post Season, no need.

I don't know what you are trying to argue. I think everybody knows Trout isn't going to put up the career numbers as the other two. All three will be first ballot HOFers.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

So Heliot Ramos numbers is the goal for Mike Trout?

I thought we were done with counting numbers.

Context matters.

.349/.420/.769/123+

.364/.471/.835/130+

12th in AL OPS+ indicates he's a well above average bat.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Amazing he is 34 today

Harper trout got me back into baseball cards 15 years ago

Hopefully he can stay healthy for a few years

Very polarizing player on blowout. But if you are the best player in a sport for 5-6-7 years you are an all time player imo

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[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

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9 straight years top 5 MVPs with 3 mvps wins

I’m not sure the argument would be against it

Name other players who have done that ?

[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

9 straight years top 5 MVPs with 3 mvps wins

I’m not sure the argument would be against it

Name other players who have done that ?

that WAR adjusted by era thread certainly has a lot of Trouty at or near the top. At peak, he was ridiculous but all stars fade at their own rate.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

9 straight years top 5 MVPs with 3 mvps wins

I’m not sure the argument would be against it

Name other players who have done that ?

The comment was 5-7 years being great makes one an ATG. If that were true, the HOF would be loaded with many more players.
Trout was amazing for a 8 yr stretch. He hasnt been relevant to any ATG conversation for a while. Yes injuries are part of it, but we gave seen many players sign huge deals and the. A falling off happens.
Since 2020 his WAR:
1.8
1.9
6.1
2.9
1.1
1.3
Highest MVP finish since 2020 is 8th. He’s literally limping into career milestones and is a shell of his former greatness. When people are hoping for him playing 120 games, that says something. He went from titanium to styrofoam overnight it seems physically. He can’t help the injuries, of course. Best player in the game hands down 2012-2020. Since then, a tragic case of “what could have been”.
His career conversations will always be ended with “he could have finished with X HR, X this or that if it weren’t for those injuries”.

Still, a 1st ballot HOF.


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[patchgenie]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Amazing he is 34 today

Harper trout got me back into baseball cards 15 years ago

Hopefully he can stay healthy for a few years

Very polarizing player on blowout. But if you are the best player in a sport for 5-6-7 years you are an all time player imo

true, plays like he's 43

[BennyA]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

The comment was 5-7 years being great makes one an ATG. If that were true, the HOF would be loaded with many more players.
Trout was amazing for a 8 yr stretch. He hasnt been relevant to any ATG conversation for a while. Yes injuries are part of it, but we gave seen many players sign huge deals and the. A falling off happens.
Since 2020 his WAR:
1.8
1.9
6.1
2.9
1.1
1.3
Highest MVP finish since 2020 is 8th. He’s literally limping into career milestones and is a shell of his former greatness. When people are hoping for him playing 120 games, that says something. He went from titanium to styrofoam overnight it seems physically. He can’t help the injuries, of course. Best player in the game hands down 2012-2020. Since then, a tragic case of “what could have been”.
His career conversations will always be ended with “he could have finished with X HR, X this or that if it weren’t for those injuries”.

Still, a 1st ballot HOF.


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His numbers basically mirror late career Pujols at this point with many more strikeouts and Pujols ended up with unhappy Angels fans and negative WAR in most his finals seasons. The speed is gone, the walks are good but not much he does from here on out will get people excited about him these days. If he does put up some more counting stats you can put him in the Mickey Mantle, Griffey Jr.--they were great but what could they have been if never injured category.

[sammyjankis]

Time is undefeated. Ken Griffey Jr. only had 7.8 combined WAR in his final 10 seasons and he’s still considered one of the greatest of all-time. To be fair, he hit 192 HRs in those 10 seasons, but he had a massive drop off from his peak.

Mike Trout will be remembered as one of the best from his era, anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by sammyjankis

Time is undefeated. Ken Griffey Jr. only had 7.8 combined WAR in his final 10 seasons and he’s still considered one of the greatest of all-time. To be fair, he hit 192 HRs in those 10 seasons, but he had a massive drop off from his peak.

Mike Trout will be remembered as one of the best from his era, anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

Poor comparison. Griffey had a personality, was marketed worldwide, AND hit 630 HRs. Trout will be lucky to come within 100 HRs of Griffey, and I doubt many kids have Mike Trout posters in their rooms.

He's not Mantle because the pinstripes and the rings made Mantle
He's not Griffey for the reasons above
He's not Pujols because he'll never sniff those numbers

He's a great player. 1st ballot HOFer. Top 50 all time. Maybe top 25-30 if he can actually finish his career. But he fell off the top tier all-time great level years ago.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by BennyA

His numbers basically mirror late career Pujols at this point with many more strikeouts and Pujols ended up with unhappy Angels fans and negative WAR in most his finals seasons. The speed is gone, the walks are good but not much he does from here on out will get people excited about him these days. If he does put up some more counting stats you can put him in the Mickey Mantle, Griffey Jr.--they were great but what could they have been if never injured category.

Still in roughly top 3rd for speed (65%, 27.9 ft/s)

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Poor comparison. Griffey had a personality, was marketed worldwide, AND hit 630 HRs. Trout will be lucky to come within 100 HRs of Griffey, and I doubt many kids have Mike Trout posters in their rooms.

He's not Mantle because the pinstripes and the rings made Mantle
He's not Griffey for the reasons above
He's not Pujols because he'll never sniff those numbers

He's a great player. 1st ballot HOFer. Top 50 all time. Maybe top 25-30 if he can actually finish his career. But he fell off the top tier all-time great level years ago.

Trout is already better than Griffey irrespective of how many posters are in kids rooms....

[mgip21]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Poor comparison. Griffey had a personality, was marketed worldwide, AND hit 630 HRs. Trout will be lucky to come within 100 HRs of Griffey, and I doubt many kids have Mike Trout posters in their rooms.

He's not Mantle because the pinstripes and the rings made Mantle
He's not Griffey for the reasons above
He's not Pujols because he'll never sniff those numbers

He's a great player. 1st ballot HOFer. Top 50 all time. Maybe top 25-30 if he can actually finish his career. But he fell off the top tier all-time great level years ago.

Not sure how accurate your assessment is on the situation. I was a huge Griffey fan throughout his career. I was able to grab two Upper deck rookies towards the end of his career for nothing. One was a psa 9 for $30 and a raw that graded a 9 a few years ago for less than that. So while everybody loves Griffey now, towards the end his career of people had forgotten about him and his cards. I believe the same will happen for trout. Because of kids, jobs and all other things I was not able to stay involved with baseball for a long time, but I always looked at the box score to see what trout was doing. He is a big deal whether you like him or not and will be remembered as one of the greats.

[21Pittsburgh58]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Trout is already better than Griffey irrespective of how many posters are in kids rooms....

I'm a Trout and Griffey Jr. fan. I'm not sure this is completely true.

I also agree with mgip21 that Griffey Jr. was somewhat invisible towards the end of his career.

I'll always be a Trout fan, but we are seeing a less than stellar version of the ballplayer we knew. We can only hope that a rebound does happen - he's certainly capable of it

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by 21Pittsburgh58

I'm a Trout and Griffey Jr. fan. I'm not sure this is completely true.

I also agree with mgip21 that Griffey Jr. was somewhat invisible towards the end of his career.

I'll always be a Trout fan, but we are seeing a less than stellar version of the ballplayer we knew. We can only hope that a rebound does happen - he's certainly capable of it

He has a higher WAR. He also has a higher average, gets on base more, and had more power (slugging)

https://stathead.com/baseball/versus...m_id=troutmi01

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

He has a higher WAR. He also has a higher average, gets on base more, and had more power (slugging)

https://stathead.com/baseball/versus...m_id=troutmi01

Griffey played until he was 40. If Trout can even make it that long, most, if not all, of those numbers will come down. And Griffey's got him in Gold Gloves 10-0.

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

And Griffey's got him in Gold Gloves 10-0.

Head to head I'd give Griffey an edge in fielding, both in terms of career stats and peak. But keep in mind that up until 2011 the outfielder GGs weren't per position. In the 90s, 28/30 of the outfielder GGs went to centerfielders. Trout should have won a GG in 2012 and if Griffey were held to the same standards, he probably wins one in '96. The difference between them isn't as stark as the GG disparity would suggest imo.

[21Pittsburgh58]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

He has a higher WAR. He also has a higher average, gets on base more, and had more power (slugging)

https://stathead.com/baseball/versus...m_id=troutmi01

Definitely valid and I won't argue

I do and always will appreciate Trouties contribution to the game.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

Head to head I'd give Griffey an edge in fielding, both in terms of career stats and peak. But keep in mind that up until 2011 the outfielder GGs weren't per position. In the 90s, 28/30 of the outfielder GGs went to centerfielders. Trout should have won a GG in 2012 and if Griffey were held to the same standards, he probably wins one in '96. The difference between them isn't as stark as the GG disparity would suggest imo.

Trout also won the Wilson Defensive Player of the Year in 2012. Agreed though Griffey was the better fielder.