Jordan and Kobe 1/1 dual auto dual logoman

[kingofsnake]

Originally Posted by Zion2000

Interesting how this card got into the
hands of the current owner.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNhIT5Xsp3N/

[BoSoxFan1999]

What could rival or trump this dual logoman (and its eventual sale price)? Maybe the Curry rookie superfractor if it's ever found?

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

It feels like the high end card market literally trades amongst the same people within the collecting community that are very tight with one another. By pawning them between one another they set these record prices thus setting a floor pricing that creeps up setting a market value.

Then they resell it back to another person within the community relative to the new market price and make headlines. All while telling the community in their IG posts about how thee cards are "Grail" or "Coffin" cards and never to be seen again. Then BAM up for sale a season later to set another record price.

Literally waiting for a fish to come along with bags of cash to get FOMO and hook them in to reel in profits. Rinse repeat and move on to the next card and whale to hook

Bingo, but people don't like hearing that

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

It feels like the high end card market literally trades amongst the same people within the collecting community that are very tight with one another. By pawning them between one another they set these record prices thus setting a floor pricing that creeps up setting a market value.

Then they resell it back to another person within the community relative to the new market price and make headlines. All while telling the community in their IG posts about how thee cards are "Grail" or "Coffin" cards and never to be seen again. Then BAM up for sale a season later to set another record price.

Literally waiting for a fish to come along with bags of cash to get FOMO and hook them in to reel in profits. Rinse repeat and move on to the next card and whale to hook

I mean 99% of us plebes will never even be affected by their shenanigans if that's what they're doing though. Pumping grail cards higher and higher doesn't really affect the lower end where most of us operate I think.

Like the Ohtani rookie autos that have 2-3x'ed over the past year, his lower end (sub-$500) rookies haven't gone up anywhere near as much, for example.

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

I mean 99% of us plebes will never even be affected by their shenanigans if that's what they're doing though. Pumping grail cards higher and higher doesn't really affect the lower end where most of us operate I think.

Like the Ohtani rookie autos that have 2-3x'ed over the past year, his lower end (sub-$500) rookies haven't gone up anywhere near as much, for example.

99%? You mean more like 50%. I guess you haven't seen all the plebes getting funded to buy the $10k, $50k, $100k+ cards then selling a few weeks later. You don't even get noticed if you post anything less than a $10k card on IG lol

I mean $12k for a Jay Cutler Black Finite? Had to be a moron and per the NYP article he had to get funded for that purchase. Needed to get funded for a $12k card purchase shows that you shouldn't be playing around in the big leagues

$12k in debt, but at least the goal of validation and attention was achieved

It's all a richard measuring contest now to see who the biggest dummy is

[Asian62150]

No regulation, no transparency...what do we expect?

Of course the market is manipulated.

And places like ebay and every auction house love every minute of it.

The way things are currently set up, what's the incentive for these big guys to play it straight?

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

What could rival or trump this dual logoman (and its eventual sale price)? Maybe the Curry rookie superfractor if it's ever found?

The Luka black Prizm rookie maybe even more so, if his Lakers outperform. So many diamond hands in that market just waiting for a breakthrough.

I wonder if legendary cards increase in value as years go by and they aren't found? I mean either a kid opened a pack and forgot about it or it's in a non-CT'd stash.

[imbluestreak23]

People flashing a $12K Jay Cutler along with their $10K intro level rolex while sporting a Jesus cross chain, broccoli hair and wearing the latest pump cover while throwing around fancy intellectual words like "bet" are my FAVORITE people in the world

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by Nomad

The Luka black Prizm rookie maybe even more so, if his Lakers outperform. So many diamond hands in that market just waiting for a breakthrough.

I wonder if legendary cards increase in value as years go by and they aren't found? I mean either a kid opened a pack and forgot about it or it's in a non-CT'd stash.

I had an offer come in via Veriswap for my PSA 8 2009 UD Signature Collection Curry auto that included a PSA 7 2009 Topps Hobby pack (theoretically could contain the Curry super?) along with an IP Steph auto and some other card. I mulled it over briefly before declining, as I knew the only way that trade would ever make sense is if I never opened that pack, but knowing me resisting the urge to eventually crack the slab and open it would be too much. LOL

[YeahBuddy]

Originally Posted by Blazed

99%? You mean more like 50%. I guess you haven't seen all the plebes getting funded to buy the $10k, $50k, $100k+ cards then selling a few weeks later. You don't even get noticed if you post anything less than a $10k card on IG lol

I mean $12k for a Jay Cutler Black Finite? Had to be a moron and per the NYP article he had to get funded for that purchase. Needed to get funded for a $12k card purchase shows that you shouldn't be playing around in the big leagues

$12k in debt, but at least the goal of validation and attention was achieved

It's all a richard measuring contest now to see who the biggest dummy is

PackNicholson bought it and explained it all on the Football Card Podcast with Brett STacking slabs. ( a great pod)

Pack has plenty in card value that if he wanted to buy the Cutler like he did but didnt want to pay 12k liquid in that moment its not a big deal to use the funding service and send wharf cards on consignment to then pay off the Cutler.

Many people sell cards to buy cards, but instead of having to rush and sell in 5 days before a listing ends you got a month or whatever.

He's a huge bears collector and obviously someone else bid that high so it is what it is.

A collector won, Good for him.

[Nomad]

I think any decent player's black Prizm 1/1 should be worth more than $10k.

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

PackNicholson bought it and explained it all on the Football Card Podcast with Brett STacking slabs. ( a great pod)

Pack has plenty in card value that if he wanted to buy the Cutler like he did but didnt want to pay 12k liquid in that moment its not a big deal to use the funding service and send wharf cards on consignment to then pay off the Cutler.

Many people sell cards to buy cards, but instead of having to rush and sell in 5 days before a listing ends you got a month or whatever.

He's a huge bears collector and obviously someone else bid that high so it is what it is.

A collector won, Good for him.

That's my point

From my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong, all the funded services (there's multiple out there now) do the bidding and you tell them what your max bid is

What's to stop them from telling a friend/employee and bidding it up close to the max? I mean it's more money in their pockets

Unregulated and no transparency, as stated above, so who would ever know?

[boxbuster7]

anybody have a link to the actual auction

I swear heritage is the worst consignment website of all time

[Irish1351]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

anybody have a link to the actual auction

I swear heritage is the worst consignment website of all time

Can't be worse than Goldin?!?!?!?!?!?

[boxbuster7]

it is way worse

at least I can look around goldin without having to create an account and give them my phone number

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

People flashing a $12K Jay Cutler along with their $10K intro level rolex while sporting a Jesus cross chain, broccoli hair and wearing the latest pump cover while throwing around fancy intellectual words like "bet" are my FAVORITE people in the world

LET'S GO!

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Really? According to Dappz, there are only three Kobe logomen ever made and that's one of them. Apparently Shine just bought two of them and is waiting on the owner to sell the third.

As for the dual, I guess the major thing beyond the players is that Jordan's is a gold logo man from the 75th season of NBA. I am not sure how they extrapolate from that that the regular Kobe logoman is also from 1996, but they do, which makes it a rookie Kobe logoman.

I mean, it is an Exquisite card manufactured well after the fact, but then they are not manufacturing any more Exquisite Kobe/Jordan duals.

I believe all jerseys from the NBA's 50th season (96-97) had the gold logomen, so all Kobe rookie logomen are gold. Anything else is from 2nd year on.

[ninjacookies]

KB had more than 100 NT logomen produced alone.

Need to stop tuning into these kardboard evangelists for knowledge, breh.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

KB had more than 100 NT logomen produced alone.

Need to stop tuning into these kardboard evangelists for knowledge, breh.

Assuming he mis-spoke. Only three Flawless Logoman AUTOS were ever produced. Shyne has two and the owner of the third one turned down his offer to buy.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Assuming he mis-spoke. Only three Flawless Logoman AUTOS were ever produced.

That certainly makes a lot more sense.

Shyne has two and the owner of the third one turned down his offer to buy.

It gives me warm fuzzies knowing dollar general Pitbull didn't secure the final Infinity Stone.

[nbahobbyaddict]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

It gives me warm fuzzies knowing dollar general Pitbull didn't secure the final Infinity Stone.

Lmao too funny. And so accurate.

[patchgenie]

https://www.beckett.com/news/record-...-logoman-sale/

[ReggieBush22]

Pretty crazy. More high wealth people entering the space make items like this status symbols and a game for them. Give me the 1952 Mantle SGC 9 anyday over this IMO.

[r338]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

It gives me warm fuzzies knowing dollar general Pitbull didn't secure the final Infinity Stone.

When it comes time to sell, are there many buyers for a card like that aside from Pitbull?

[hermanotarjeta]

Does this mean our prizm silver Zion rookies still have a chance?