Micah Parsons to the Packers

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

That Luke warm offense led by Love won’t do a lot to win games

The Luka joke was right there and you butchered it

Lame

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I was wrong

*gasp*

You?

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

*gasp*

You?

50% wrong

I said he would be the highest paid player. He is

I said there was no chance Dallas would let him leave because they aren’t idiots. Wrong

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

If you have the #1, maybe you aren’t guaranteed drafting Arch whatever year he comes out. Might pull an Eli

I know Arch is all the rage right now, but let's pump the brakes on him until he shows he's the real deal.

He's thrown less than 100 passes in his collegiate career and couldn't beat out 7th round pick Quinn Ewers last year.

Going into last season, Carson Beck was projected by some to be 1st overall. Whoops.

Could Arch be the next great QB? Yes. But knowing what we know right now on Aug 28th, I would take the 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft over the 1st.

I could see Dallas being a bottom 10 team this year though. Unproven HC in a tough division with no real strength of the team. At this point, Dak is maybe a top 12-15 QB?

Credit to the Cowboys for actually making moves to build a better overall roster. They weren't going anywhere with Micah making that much money.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I know Arch is all the rage right now, but let's pump the brakes on him until he shows he's the real deal.

He's thrown less than 100 passes in his collegiate career and couldn't beat out 7th round pick Quinn Ewers last year.

Going into last season, Carson Beck was projected by some to be 1st overall. Whoops.

Could Arch be the next great QB? Yes. But knowing what we know right now on Aug 28th, I would take the 2nd and 3rd picks in the draft over the 1st.

I could see Dallas being a bottom 10 team this year though. Unproven HC in a tough division with no real strength of the team. At this point, Dak is maybe a top 12-15 QB?

Credit to the Cowboys for actually making moves to build a better overall roster. They weren't going anywhere with Micah making that much money.

He was better than Ewers. Everyone knew he was better than Ewers. Texas had a plan

I hate Texas but let’s call a spade a spade

[coltsnsox07]

Micah, Jacobs, Love....When was the last time the Packers QB was the 3rd best player on their team, 1978?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by coltsnsox07

Micah, Jacobs, Love....When was the last time the Packers QB was the 3rd best player on their team, 1978?

He’s not even 3rd yet

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Jerry Jones has some draft capital now to try and grab Arch Manning, maybe that’s the plan. They probably won’t win a ton of games. How bad are the Cowboys married to Dak’s contract?

Jerry Jones isn't tanking for anyone. It's not in the Cowboys DNA. He's got Dak for a 2 year window to win it all. He's toward the end of his life. He's not worried about building for the future.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Jerry Jones isn't tanking for anyone. It's not in the Cowboys DNA. He's got Dak for a 2 year window to win it all. He's toward the end of his life. He's not worried about building for the future.

Trading a top 5 defensive player for draft picks is win now?

[Grid]

Bold move, and Micah is a great player. If this puts the Packers over the hump, its worth it. But this is not 2021 Parsons. His sacks are down, his tackles have gone down considerably (half as many in 2024 as in 2021). And he could never play the run. And now, he is coming back from an injury year where he missed 4 games.

2024 D Player of the year voting, he got 2 votes. Which tied him for 20th place.

2023 D POTY, he was third.

2022 D POTY he was second.

2021, he won D ROY.

I'd love to have him on my team, don't get me wrong. But $48MIL a year, after you are paying Love $55MIL per. That is going to take some cap juggling, as they already have a ton of cash kicked into the future. And now no cheap draft premium rookie contracts to lean on, without a first round pick until 2028.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by Grid

Bold move, and Micah is a great player. If this puts the Packers over the hump, its worth it. But this is not 2021 Parsons. His sacks are down, his tackles have gone down considerably (half as many in 2024 as in 2021). And he could never play the run. And now, he is coming back from an injury year where he missed 4 games.

2024 D Player of the year voting, he got 2 votes. Which tied him for 20th place.

2023 D POTY, he was third.

2022 D POTY he was second.

2021, he won D ROY.

I'd love to have him on my team, don't get me wrong. But $48MIL a year, after you are paying Love $55MIL per. That is going to take some cap juggling, as they already have a ton of cash kicked into the future. And now no cheap draft premium rookie contracts to lean on, without a first round pick until 2028.

C'mon Grid, this type of chatter belongs in the NFCN thread. I'm guessing when the Bears acquired Mack you didn't take such a pessimistic tone. While some of what you presented is factual, you're ignoring a bunch of truths as well. His sacks are not down on a per game basis. In fact, his sack per game rate was the highest it's ever been in 2024. His QB hits have been remarkably consistent in just under 2 per game, right about where he was in 2024. The injury you referenced is what took him out of higher consideration for the DPOY award - NO ONE who got a vote played less games than Parsons. Extrapolating his stats would have put him in-line with (or better than) Hendrickson and Garrett - who finished second and third. I mean, he's 26! He's just entering his physical prime. Is it a big gamble that he'll work out in GB? Absolutely - but anyone is a big gamble. To acquire a top 5 pass rusher when pass rushing was your biggest weakness is a major coup. I'm less concerned with run defense with Edgerrin Cooper whizzing from sideline to sideline. If Parsons brings his A game to Wisconsin, this Packers defense is going to be fantastic.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by carlo16

Trading a top 5 defensive player for draft picks is win now?

You're conflating the "win now" at all cost with improving and protecting your team in a certain window of opportunity. The QB position is the most important position on the field. Dak Prescott has a contract through 2028. So that window is 2025-2028.

From 2021-2024 Michah Parsons was added to a defense that finished ranked in the last 1/3 of the NFL the previous season. From 2021-2023 they ranked in the Top 5 in most categories if they weren't #1. But what happened in 2024? What changed where the defense ranked basically last? Was it his injury? He only missed 4 games. The problem in those 4 games he missed is nothing really changed when he came back. Then its no secret he is bad against the run. In the NFC East against the Giants, Redskins and Eagles you gotta play the run. My point is, the Cowboys can get more affordable options to play the edge, likely improving the run defense while filling in other positions on that side of the ball with talented depth.

Giving him his desired contract was going to 100% hamstring the team for Dak's window to win. You have to consider the salary cap and depth for those 4 years. That's why Jerry Jones did what he did. Sure, it backfires if Green Bay wins it all but rest assured that the Super Bowl runs through the NFC East right now and the foreseeable future with Hurts at 27 years old, Jayden Daniels at 24 and Jaxson Dart looking like the real deal at 22.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

You're conflating the "win now" at all cost with improving and protecting your team in a certain window of opportunity. The QB position is the most important position on the field. Dak Prescott has a contract through 2028. So that window is 2025-2028.

From 2021-2024 Michah Parsons was added to a defense that finished ranked in the last 1/3 of the NFL the previous season. From 2021-2023 they ranked in the Top 5 in most categories if they weren't #1. But what happened in 2024? What changed where the defense ranked basically last? Was it his injury? He only missed 4 games. The problem in those 4 games he missed is nothing really changed when he came back. Then its no secret he is bad against the run. In the NFC East against the Giants, Redskins and Eagles you gotta play the run. My point is, the Cowboys can get more affordable options to play the edge, likely improving the run defense while filling in other positions on that side of the ball with talented depth.

Giving him his desired contract was going to 100% hamstring the team for Dak's window to win. You have to consider the salary cap and depth for those 4 years. That's why Jerry Jones did what he did. Sure, it backfires if Green Bay wins it all but rest assured that the Super Bowl runs through the NFC East right now and the foreseeable future with Hurts at 27 years old, Jayden Daniels at 24 and Jaxson Dart looking like the real deal at 22.

So just say you don’t think Parsons is that good.

[ensbergcollecto]

I'm not a cowboys fan by any stretch but i think they win this trade pretty easily. It isn't just the 2 first round picks and the player. They also save $40 million a year on their salary cap.

As good as Micah, Myles Garrett and TJ Watt are, it is hard for 1 defensive player to impact the team enough to justify that salary.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by carlo16

So just say you don’t think Parsons is that good.

If that's what you summarized in what I wrote, all I have for you is "Go whatever team you're a fan of! "

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

I'm not a cowboys fan by any stretch but i think they win this trade pretty easily. It isn't just the 2 first round picks and the player. They also save $40 million a year on their salary cap.

As good as Micah, Myles Garrett and TJ Watt are, it is hard for 1 defensive player to impact the team enough to justify that salary.

Yup. A lot of these franchises pay their best players just to satisfy the fans and stay somewhat relevant. But if you're paying defensive players top dollar, you'd better be getting stellar QB play if you hope to contend (like the Chiefs with Chris Jones/Mahomes).

[Grid]

Originally Posted by erock28

C'mon Grid, this type of chatter belongs in the NFCN thread. I'm guessing when the Bears acquired Mack you didn't take such a pessimistic tone. While some of what you presented is factual, you're ignoring a bunch of truths as well. His sacks are not down on a per game basis. In fact, his sack per game rate was the highest it's ever been in 2024. His QB hits have been remarkably consistent in just under 2 per game, right about where he was in 2024. The injury you referenced is what took him out of higher consideration for the DPOY award - NO ONE who got a vote played less games than Parsons. Extrapolating his stats would have put him in-line with (or better than) Hendrickson and Garrett - who finished second and third. I mean, he's 26! He's just entering his physical prime. Is it a big gamble that he'll work out in GB? Absolutely - but anyone is a big gamble. To acquire a top 5 pass rusher when pass rushing was your biggest weakness is a major coup. I'm less concerned with run defense with Edgerrin Cooper whizzing from sideline to sideline. If Parsons brings his A game to Wisconsin, this Packers defense is going to be fantastic.

Its a bold move! The Pack got Reggie White, gave him a bag of cash, and won the Super Bowl. They did it again with Charles Woodson. And that paid off too!

When the Bears got Mack, they immediately won the North and were a playoff team. He made a difference. But he was also a year removed from winning D Player of the year. And not finishing in 20th place, like Parsons. The Bears also didnt give up a good starting player either. The Bears also regretted it, as losing those 2 1st round picks hurt. And they had to dump Mack and rebuild. Which might happen here as well. Its all risk.

I dont agree with you crowing about him getting D POTY votes, for playing in 4 fewer games. He got 2 votes, just to be clear. Two.

Surtain got 320. Hendrickson 203. Garrett 157. Watt 111. Parson, 2... Two votes for the best D player, and is now the highest paid defender in league history. The highest paid non-QB to be exact. Two votes as the best.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

I'm not a cowboys fan by any stretch but i think they win this trade pretty easily. It isn't just the 2 first round picks and the player. They also save $40 million a year on their salary cap.

Not only do the Cowboys get Kenny Clark, but the Packers already paid his $17.5MIL signing bonus. Plus paid his $7.5MIL roster bonus.

So they Cowboys not only get him, but they get him "cheap".

Meanwhile, the Packers have to eat $18.065MIL on the 2025 salary cap and $17.007MIL on the 2026 cap for Clark. Plus pay Micah.

Right now, Cowboys win. If they draft junk guys with those picks, and GB wins the Super Bowl or Parsons wins Player of the year. Packers win.

[21Pittsburgh58]

Originally Posted by Grid

Not only do the Cowboys get Kenny Clark, but the Packers already paid his $17.5MIL signing bonus. Plus paid his $7.5MIL roster bonus.

So they Cowboys not only get him, but they get him "cheap".

Meanwhile, the Packers have to eat $18.065MIL on the 2025 salary cap and $17.007MIL on the 2026 cap for Clark. Plus pay Micah.

Right now, Cowboys win. If they draft junk guys with those picks, and GB wins the Super Bowl or Parsons wins Player of the year. Packers win.

Really good points on the financial side of the game.

[fidrych]

Can someone tell me the over/under for Cowboys win total prior to trade? After trade?

Ultimately that is your answer to who "won" or "lost" the trade

[jacksonjj]

People love the Jerry hate but the guy's a genius for getting out of the Micah deal before it started and also grabbing a haul for him. Bad bad move for the Pack which might not hurt them in the short term this season and next, but they'll miss those first round picks.

[asujbl]

So many crazy people in this thread. I’m enjoying it

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Grid

Its a bold move! The Pack got Reggie White, gave him a bag of cash, and won the Super Bowl. They did it again with Charles Woodson. And that paid off too!

When the Bears got Mack, they immediately won the North and were a playoff team. He made a difference. But he was also a year removed from winning D Player of the year. And not finishing in 20th place, like Parsons. The Bears also didnt give up a good starting player either. The Bears also regretted it, as losing those 2 1st round picks hurt. And they had to dump Mack and rebuild. Which might happen here as well. Its all risk.

I dont agree with you crowing about him getting D POTY votes, for playing in 4 fewer games. He got 2 votes, just to be clear. Two.

Surtain got 320. Hendrickson 203. Garrett 157. Watt 111. Parson, 2... Two votes for the best D player, and is now the highest paid defender in league history. The highest paid non-QB to be exact. Two votes as the best.

Looking back on Mack, yeah, it was a mistake bc we didn't win the SB. But I believe that 2018 team (double-doink year) was good enough to win the SB. The D was SB-caliber and Mitch was pretty good at managing the offense.

For the NFCN though, this year will be the most difficult bc the Packers are definitely better. The financial/draft repercussions won't set it until this season is over.

[f2tornado]

As a Packers fan, I love it. Green Bay only seems to get the 1st round pick right half the time anyway. The team has a knack of overachieving in the rest of the draft. It's as good of year as any. The Vikings effectively have a rookie QB, the Bears are who we thought they were, and we will see if Detroit was a fluke last year.

[Fulmer4MVP]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

As a Packers fan, I love it. Green Bay only seems to get the 1st round pick right half the time anyway. The team has a knack of overachieving in the rest of the draft. It's as good of year as any. The Vikings effectively have a rookie QB, the Bears are who we thought they were, and we will see if Detroit was a fluke last year.

Fluke last year? They won the NFC north and made it to the NFC champ. game the year before last.