More magical/special milestone to you: 3,000 hits or 500 HR?

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

Because a walk is as good as a hit. Nobody ever compares anything to HRs, they stand alone in the world of individual baseball achievement.

Because Ty Cobb would be the GOAT instead of Babe Ruth if 3000 hits were all that magical.

Because fewer players have hit 500 HR than have hit 3000 hits and way fewer if you don’t count the steroid hitters. Since this is a baseball card forum, I’m sure you all can appreciate that more rare means more valuable.

Because Barry Bonds would be a HOFer if 3000 hits were better than 500 HR! He would have never taken the drugs because 3000 hits would have been pretty easy for him to get to if he was focused on that instead of HR.

Because there’s nothing magical about employing a player like Luis Arraez into their 40s anymore.

Because Big Papi is way more magical and famous than Craig Biggio.

The list goes on and on.

a walk is as good as a hit is something people that can't hit would say. Which was me my entire baseball career.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Did you guys see Altuve got another single today?!!!!! Yeah, baby! So exciting! #RoadTo3K

Oh, and another HR for Judge tonight. Ho hum, whatever. Who cares?

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Did you guys see Altuve got another single today?!!!!! Yeah, baby! So exciting! #RoadTo3K

Oh, and another HR for Judge tonight. Ho hum, whatever. Who cares?

Altuve still smokes 400ft dingers at what 5’6” 165lbs?

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Because chicks, and collectors, dig the long ball.

Tell that to Jim Thome.....

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

Altuve still smokes 400ft dingers at what 5’6” 165lbs?

He does! But the majority of people here really love it when he racks up those singles.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Tell that to Jim Thome.....

That is a curious case, but I’m guessing it’s because he spent a lot of time at DH?

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Then: 500 HRs

Now: 3000 Hits

Agreed.

Back in the 80s, it seemed like less guys were hitting 40+ HR and 500 HR seemed more difficult. But today, with a handful of guys set to pass that mark the next 5-7 years, the lust has definitely come off.

3,000 hits has always been incredibly difficult both then and now.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

You need to be durable to get to 3000 hits. But it's much cooler to have both!

Pujols has 3384 hits and 703 HRs and is somehow insanely underrated.

Shame Bonds missed out on that feat by 65 hits. He would've easily gotten that had he not been black balled by the league and no one signed him for one more year.

[ReggieBush22]

FYI

3,000 - 33 players
500 - 28 players

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Shame Bonds missed out on that feat by 65 hits. He would've easily gotten that had he not been black balled by the league and no one signed him for one more year.

He easily would have gotten that if he weren’t intentionally walked a zillion times

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

He easily would have gotten that if he weren’t intentionally walked a zillion times

MLB record:

668 IBB
2,558 BB

Bonds never swung at bad pitches, even as a young player. Just a tad less discipline, he would've been way past 3,000.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Agreed.

Back in the 80s, it seemed like less guys were hitting 40+ HR and 500 HR seemed more difficult. But today, with a handful of guys set to pass that mark the next 5-7 years, the lust has definitely come off.

3,000 hits has always been incredibly difficult both then and now.

I don't think anybody active is a shoo-in for 500 HRs.

[49ersSF]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

Because a walk is as good as a hit. .

That is one of the biggest fallacies. A walk is definitely not as good as a hit. I'd say it's 75% of a hit.

A hit moves runners and scores people in scoring position. A walk does not.

[imbluestreak23]

Chicks dig the long, numerous, dong

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

That is one of the biggest fallacies. A walk is definitely not as good as a hit. I'd say it's 75% of a hit.

A hit moves runners and scores people in scoring position. A walk does not.

If you are going to go all pedantic on a colloquialism then you need to show your math. 75%? Really? I’d say it’s at least 90% if we are just going to wing it. I’m sure some folks smarter than us will swoop in and tell us the exact value of a walk vs. a hit.

In any case, when the scientists finally figure out how to re-animate Ted Williams’ severed head, he’s likely going to agree with me. Ted never reached 3000 hits. Babe Ruth. Barry Bonds (if you’re into that sort of thing). Griffey Junior. Mickey Mantle. All players with 500 home runs who never reached 3000 hits. If those players aren’t considered at the top of the list of magical or special players then you probably don’t know what those words mean.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Chicks dig the long, numerous, dong

That’s one of the biggest phallus-ees.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Then: 500 HRs

Now: 3000 Hits

Yup, I mean with these contracts, why would the young guys want to stick around to get to 3000 hits?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

FYI

3,000 - 33 players
500 - 28 players

FYI
Live Ball Era
500 HR club 28
3000 Hit club 27

When Babe Ruth broke the all-time home run record in 1921, it was 138. You can't count 3000 hit club members from the dead ball era.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

That is one of the biggest fallacies. A walk is definitely not as good as a hit. I'd say it's 75% of a hit.

A hit moves runners and scores people in scoring position. A walk does not.

So, man on first,
next batter walks,
two men on first?

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

Because a walk is as good as a hit. Nobody ever compares anything to HRs, they stand alone in the world of individual baseball achievement.

Because Ty Cobb would be the GOAT instead of Babe Ruth if 3000 hits were all that magical.

Because fewer players have hit 500 HR than have hit 3000 hits and way fewer if you don’t count the steroid hitters. Since this is a baseball card forum, I’m sure you all can appreciate that more rare means more valuable.

Because Barry Bonds would be a HOFer if 3000 hits were better than 500 HR! He would have never taken the drugs because 3000 hits would have been pretty easy for him to get to if he was focused on that instead of HR.

Because there’s nothing magical about employing a player like Luis Arraez into their 40s anymore.

Because Big Papi is way more magical and famous than Craig Biggio.

The list goes on and on.

A walk doesn't count towards total bases, so it can't be the same as a hit.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

That is one of the biggest fallacies. A walk is definitely not as good as a hit. I'd say it's 75% of a hit.

A hit moves runners and scores people in scoring position. A walk does not.

Bases loaded walk scores someone in scoring position.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

That is one of the biggest fallacies. A walk is definitely not as good as a hit. I'd say it's 75% of a hit.

A hit moves runners and scores people in scoring position. A walk does not.

Yet so many on this board focus on OBP and OPS. Do they need to adjust the calculations for said stats so that a walk only counts as 75% of a hit?

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

A walk doesn't count towards total bases, so it can't be the same as a hit.

Nobody ever said that a walk is the same as a hit. The saying goes “as GOOD as a hit.”

I’m not expecting you folks to understand quantum mechanics or anything like that, but some basic reading comprehension of the English language would be nice.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

Yet so many on this board focus on OBP and OPS. Do they need to adjust the calculations for said stats so that a walk only counts as 75% of a hit?

Notwithstanding my prior comment, a walk actually is the same as a hit for the purposes of OBP.

But if we start counting a walk as only 75% of hit for OBP purposes, where does that leave the WAR totals for players like Babe Ruth and Bobby Bonds and Ted Williams?

It sounds like the BO stat nerds haven’t thought this all the way through.

[TBTC Baseball]

Originally Posted by rats60

FYI
Live Ball Era
500 HR club 28
3000 Hit club 27

When Babe Ruth broke the all-time home run record in 1921, it was 138. You can't count 3000 hit club members from the dead ball era.

If we are doing qualifiers, take out the 500 HR hitters that had help.