Patrick Mahomes Prices - Page 1652

CorndogWasp · 09-11-2025, 01:54 PM

I think that I can make the argument that none of you judge a QB based on stats. We know who is good and bad and we add the stats for discussion. But we all know stats don’t tell the whole or maybe any story. Mahomes himself is the best example. I know he’s a good QB by watching the games and seeing him play and winning and being what it takes to win. His stats early on were “good” his stats now days are “bad” but when you watch the games you are seeing his greatness win these games. His stats don’t matter.

Stats are also super nuanced. “Empty calorie” stats in blowouts in worthless games (Dak) are counted the same as Mahomes/Brady winning a clutch game in a meaningful game. Those yards ain’t equal even though they are counted as equal.

tjforce · 09-11-2025, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CorndogWasp

I think that I can make the argument that none of you judge a QB based on stats. We know who is good and bad and we add the stats for discussion. But we all know stats don’t tell the whole or maybe any story. Mahomes himself is the best example. I know he’s a good QB by watching the games and seeing him play and winning and being what it takes to win. His stats early on were “good” his stats now days are “bad” but when you watch the games you are seeing his greatness win these games. His stats don’t matter.

Stats are also super nuanced. “Empty calorie” stats in blowouts in worthless games (Dak) are counted the same as Mahomes/Brady winning a clutch game in a meaningful game. Those yards ain’t equal even though they are counted as equal.

And this is the point of QBR... it acknowledges that all outcomes aren't equal due to the circumstances surrounding them. You just made an awesome case for it being a useful metric that describes certain statistics.

Also, Mahomes has historically been one of the highest rated QBs according to QBR, so it seems to be doing a good job measuring his performance.

longbomberz · 09-11-2025, 03:24 PM

Fun one in for my Elite PC:

CorndogWasp · 09-11-2025, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

And this is the point of QBR... it acknowledges that all outcomes aren't equal due to the circumstances surrounding them. You just made an awesome case for it being a useful metric that describes certain statistics.

Also, Mahomes has historically been one of the highest rated QBs according to QBR, so it seems to be doing a good job measuring his performance.

My definition of what yards are and arent empty calories is different than anyone else's, its all subjective. QBR isnt smart enough or in depth enough to know what yards are worthy. Not all "legit" stats and "empty calories" stats are equal either. Every play of every game of every season that QB has played should be weighed different and it takes watching the games to do it.

Also for a moment pretend QBR never was made up by ESPN and just doesn't exist. Now look at the QBs. What changes? Nothing.

KardsC1 · 09-11-2025, 05:58 PM

A few big cards in fanatics premier..
NT gold RPA , nice patch
PSA 10 white sparkle Prizm

Onepocketj · 09-11-2025, 06:38 PM

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Fun one in for my Elite PC:

Very nice. Don't see that one too often

jhssketchcards · 09-11-2025, 07:14 PM

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I think that's the point.

Just having rings doesn't make you the GOAT, esp. in a team sport like football.

Brady's game and role on each team changed from Super Bowl to Super Bowl.

It's like Kobe in basketball. Sure, he has 5 rings. But it's lazy and ignorant to compare his 5 to MJ's 6 and think they're close just because of that one stat.

Not all rings (and even MVPs) are created equally.

It’s a valid point, but you still have to admire the fact that a single QB led his different role teams to the SB 9 times winning 7. I see your point completely but it’s still an amazing accomplishment. He even beat Mahomes head to head.

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Earlsnake07 · 09-11-2025, 07:17 PM

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Fun one in for my Elite PC:

Bad ass!!!!!

15 is they key on that one!

BostonNut · 09-12-2025, 05:47 AM

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It’s a valid point, but you still have to admire the fact that a single QB led his different role teams to the SB 9 times winning 7. I see your point completely but it’s still an amazing accomplishment. He even beat Mahomes head to head.

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Brady actually led his different role teams to TEN Super Bowls, but who is counting?

jhssketchcards · 09-12-2025, 11:34 PM

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Brady actually led his different role teams to TEN Super Bowls, but who is counting?

Oh man, how could I have left out the Philly Special SB… apologies to Nick Foles

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Delta5 · 09-12-2025, 11:38 PM

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Oh man, how could I have left out the Philly Special SB… apologies to Nick Foles

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Should we call Mahomes TD on SB when Sirriani soaked with Gatorade a Philly special too?

boxbuster7 · 09-13-2025, 12:28 PM

I was looking at this card and noticed there is chinese on the back?

2024 Panini Contenders Optic - Dominance #DOM-PMS - Patrick Mahomes II
Courtesy of COMC.com

boxbuster7 · 09-14-2025, 04:00 PM

VINTAGE

Onepocketj · 09-14-2025, 04:21 PM

BOOM!

Lol Patty with 70 yards rushing today

TheCrow · 09-14-2025, 05:18 PM

Nice hit on Hurts, he got SLAMMED LOL

Onepocketj · 09-14-2025, 05:23 PM

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Nice hit on Hurts, he got SLAMMED LOL

That reminded me of the clothesline from the original Longest Yard.
I think I broke his friggin neck!

TheCrow · 09-14-2025, 05:33 PM

WTF!!!

TheCrow · 09-14-2025, 05:37 PM

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That reminded me of the clothesline from the original Longest Yard.
I think I broke his friggin neck!

Just watched that on youtube. "I think I made him sh** himself!" LOL

cnewby · 09-14-2025, 05:45 PM

Whoops!

TheCrow · 09-14-2025, 05:50 PM

Nice job Kelce

blackbears86 · 09-14-2025, 05:50 PM

INT was a killer. Not blaming Kelce there.

Philly TD was a TD on third down.

blackbears86 · 09-14-2025, 05:51 PM

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Nice job Kelce

He wasn't turned totally around. Can't blame him there.

Onepocketj · 09-14-2025, 06:06 PM

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He wasn't turned totally around. Can't blame him there.

IDK. Even Brady said the pass was perfectly placed.
They had momentum and that play cost them the game IMO

JWBlue · 09-14-2025, 06:07 PM

How did he miss that?

blackbears86 · 09-14-2025, 06:08 PM

Bad overthrow by Patty, and then bailed out by the penalty.

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CorndogWasp Member Join Date: Jan 2025 Posts: 215	I think that I can make the argument that none of you judge a QB based on stats. We know who is good and bad and we add the stats for discussion. But we all know stats don’t tell the whole or maybe any story. Mahomes himself is the best example. I know he’s a good QB by watching the games and seeing him play and winning and being what it takes to win. His stats early on were “good” his stats now days are “bad” but when you watch the games you are seeing his greatness win these games. His stats don’t matter. Stats are also super nuanced. “Empty calorie” stats in blowouts in worthless games (Dak) are counted the same as Mahomes/Brady winning a clutch game in a meaningful game. Those yards ain’t equal even though they are counted as equal.

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