Your 2025 AL MVP will be....? - Page 2

fulltritty · 09-23-2025, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Judge also has 130 runs to lead the league.

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And Judge leads the league in total bases at 350.

He also leads the league in intentional walks which tells you that when the game is on the line, teams don't want Judge swinging.

fulltritty · 09-23-2025, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Historic greatness for home runs for sure, I’m not sure you can say the same with the .247 average with a high amount of Ks…

22 more Ks than Judge. And one of the main reasons given for Judge not winning MVP in 2017 was his high K rate.

JustinVerlander07 · 09-23-2025, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

So many hills to die on, some pick them all!

Judge in a landslide. Stats don't lie.

Your obsession with me Chad is so bizarre.

fulltritty · 09-23-2025, 05:59 AM

Maybe since it's too close to call (for some people), voters should go with team overall record or head to head. Yankees have a 1 game advantage over the Mariners for the better record and they whooped the Mariners 5 - 1 head to head.

Or head to head stats in those 6 games.

Judge went 8 for 23 with 2 home runs, 5 runs, 6 RBIs, and 5 walks.

Raleigh went 5 for 23 with 2 home runs, 2 runs, 5 RBI's, and 2 walks.

cnewby · 09-23-2025, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Your obsession with me Chad is so bizarre.

Whoa now, stay on topic pal. We dont want the mods 'trimming the fat' from this thread...

SaveMeTheGum · 09-23-2025, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

So many hills to die on, some pick them all!

Judge in a landslide. Stats don't lie.

Stats don't tell the full story of value either. Catcher > Outfielder.

Big35Hurt · 09-23-2025, 08:06 AM

If Cal gets to 60 HRs, he wins a close race. If he doesn't, Judge wins. Either way, there will be a lot of grown men crying.

BoSoxFan1999 · 09-23-2025, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

If Cal gets to 60 HRs, he wins a close race. If he doesn't, Judge wins. Either way, there will be a lot of grown men crying.

If Big Dumper does win, gonna be lots and lots of Judge 25 TC MVP buyback bag holders crying in here. LOL

EBCollectibles · 09-23-2025, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

If Cal gets to 60 HRs, he wins a close race. If he doesn't, Judge wins. Either way, there will be a lot of grown men crying.

Raleigh gets Robbed either way. Catch position takes it out of a player.

Baseballcards81 · 09-23-2025, 08:26 AM

Hey everyone!
This is definitely going to be a very tough decision for the committee, but I am going with Cal. I feel that Cal has had a more of a historical season that Judge, and I feel that Judge just does not cut it for this year as the AL MVP, not saying that Judge does not deserve it, just that I feel Cal has had the better overall season. If you are a statistical person, you could say that the batting average and WAR and everything are low for Cal, but in my opinion those statistics don’t matter when it comes to the amazing season Cal has had over Judge.

Bosoxfan5990 · 09-23-2025, 09:00 AM

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

Raleigh shouldn’t be close.

jraarmy · 09-23-2025, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

fangraphs and BR calculate WAR differently (specificly defense), so the large WAR gap is non existent via fangraphs. 9.2 fWAR Judge 8.8 fWAR Cal.

The betting odds in the other thread cited as the tale that this is a dead race in the other thread also being a dead tie is just more telling this race is going either way. (and I still would personally say Cal)

Yeah bwar doesn’t takes pitch framing into consideration

Boo · 09-23-2025, 09:17 AM

Which war takes into account low pitches called for strikes because you are 6'7"?

jlzinck · 09-23-2025, 09:17 AM

Get in my contest about this....

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1618109

cnewby · 09-23-2025, 09:27 AM

Which war takes into account fake throws down to 2nd on Tuesday day games after the 5th inning?

hermanotarjeta · 09-23-2025, 09:30 AM

Co-mvps.

BoSoxFan1999 · 09-23-2025, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

Raleigh shouldn’t be close.

Aside from HR and RBI (and SB), Judge is far ahead of Dumper in just about all other counting stats:

bWAR: Judge 9.0 vs Raleigh 6.9
Hits: 170 vs 141
BA: .326 vs .247
OBP: .451 vs .360
SLG: .672 vs .589
OPS: 1.123 vs .949
OPS+: 209 vs 169

The whole last 2 rows of BRef's batting leaders page (lots of obscure metrics) is all Judge: RE24, WPA, WPA/LI, cWPA, REW, rOBA, Rbat+. Most traditional counting stats, obscure statcast-era stats....Judge is #1 in just about all of them.

cnewby · 09-23-2025, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Aside from HR and RBI (and SB), Judge is far ahead of Dumper in just about all other counting stats:

bWAR: Judge 9.0 vs Raleigh 6.9
Hits: 170 vs 141
BA: .326 vs .247
OBP: .451 vs .360
SLG: .672 vs .589
OPS: 1.123 vs .949
OPS+: 209 vs 169

The whole last 2 rows of BRef's batting leaders page (lots of obscure metrics) is all Judge: RE24, WPA, WPA/LI, cWPA, REW, rOBA, Rbat+. Most traditional counting stats, obscure statcast-era stats....Judge is #1 in just about all of them.

BuT dOeS hE fRaMe PiTcHeS?!?!?!

SaveMeTheGum · 09-23-2025, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Aside from HR and RBI (and SB), Judge is far ahead of Dumper in just about all other counting stats:

bWAR: Judge 9.0 vs Raleigh 6.9
Hits: 170 vs 141
BA: .326 vs .247
OBP: .451 vs .360
SLG: .672 vs .589
OPS: 1.123 vs .949
OPS+: 209 vs 169

The whole last 2 rows of BRef's batting leaders page (lots of obscure metrics) is all Judge: RE24, WPA, WPA/LI, cWPA, REW, rOBA, Rbat+. Most traditional counting stats, obscure statcast-era stats....Judge is #1 in just about all of them.

Boog Powell beat out Yaz for the MVP in 1970. Ted Williams lost the MVP one of the years he won the triple crown and the year he hit .406. There will always be a subjective nature to MVP voting. That's why Raleigh will win.

marl1220 · 09-23-2025, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseballcards81

Hey everyone!
This is definitely going to be a very tough decision for the committee, but I am going with Cal. I feel that Cal has had a more of a historical season that Judge, and I feel that Judge just does not cut it for this year as the AL MVP, not saying that Judge does not deserve it, just that I feel Cal has had the better overall season. If you are a statistical person, you could say that the batting average and WAR and everything are low for Cal, but in my opinion those statistics don’t matter when it comes to the amazing season Cal has had over Judge.

Your avatar says it all.

And the bolded seems like a ridiculous statement.

NYRE2PECT · 09-23-2025, 12:40 PM

I'm just here to watch the world burn.

SaveMeTheGum · 09-23-2025, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

I'm just here to watch the world burn.

Image if Judge and Ohtani were back in the same league!

duwal · 09-23-2025, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseballcards81

Hey everyone!
This is definitely going to be a very tough decision for the committee, but I am going with Cal. I feel that Cal has had a more of a historical season that Judge, and I feel that Judge just does not cut it for this year as the AL MVP, not saying that Judge does not deserve it, just that I feel Cal has had the better overall season. If you are a statistical person, you could say that the batting average and WAR and everything are low for Cal, but in my opinion those statistics don’t matter when it comes to the amazing season Cal has had over Judge.

Okay so Cal has had the better overall season as long as we don't consider and compare player stats for awards....

BoSoxFan1999 · 09-23-2025, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by duwal

Okay so Cal has had the better overall season as long as we don't consider and compare player stats for awards....

Sometimes you just gotta toss out all the facts and just go with your gut.

SaveMeTheGum · 09-23-2025, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by duwal

Okay so Cal has had the better overall season as long as we don't consider and compare player stats for awards....

If stats determined MVP, why is there a vote?

View Poll Results: Who will win the 2025 AL MVP?
Aaron Judge	165	59.78%
Cal Raleigh	111	40.22%
Voters: 276. You may not vote on this poll

09-23-2025, 08:26 AM	#35
Baseballcards81 Member Join Date: Apr 2025 Location: United States Of America Posts: 8	Hey everyone! This is definitely going to be a very tough decision for the committee, but I am going with Cal. I feel that Cal has had a more of a historical season that Judge, and I feel that Judge just does not cut it for this year as the AL MVP, not saying that Judge does not deserve it, just that I feel Cal has had the better overall season. If you are a statistical person, you could say that the batting average and WAR and everything are low for Cal, but in my opinion those statistics don’t matter when it comes to the amazing season Cal has had over Judge. __________________ Go Mariners! Last edited by Baseballcards81; 09-23-2025 at 08:27 AM. Reason: Fix typo

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fulltritty Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: King George, VA Posts: 79,883	Maybe since it's too close to call (for some people), voters should go with team overall record or head to head. Yankees have a 1 game advantage over the Mariners for the better record and they whooped the Mariners 5 - 1 head to head. Or head to head stats in those 6 games. Judge went 8 for 23 with 2 home runs, 5 runs, 6 RBIs, and 5 walks. Raleigh went 5 for 23 with 2 home runs, 2 runs, 5 RBI's, and 2 walks.

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