Your 2025 AL MVP will be....?

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

This is really all you need to know:

Adjusted OPS+
5. Springer • TOR 156
6. Schwarber • PHI 154

Real nice. Now we are going to have to listen to Schwarber homers who think he is a better hitter than George Springer. What have you done?

PS. George Springer is a HOFer.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

And that's what's going to bug me the most if Cal wins. He basically hits a homerun or makes an out. He doesn't hit much at all outside of homeruns. He's not feared because as long as you keep him in the park, he's an out.

Judge is hitting homeruns and leading the AL in batting average. Pitchers fear him. There is a reason he is tied right now with Ted Williams (think how long ago Ted played and all of the great hitters in the AL) for most intentional walks in the AL for the season.

Clearly, Judge is more valuable offensively than Cal could ever be.

a .360 OBP is not a home run or an out player. What in the world.

[no10pin]

Voter fatigue can be a thing. By the stats Judge probably still has it, but Cal's season just got more historic and it's his first time in the conversation.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by premium1981

PS. George Springer is a HOFer.

I hate that he's on the Jays (and previously the cheater ASStros), but he's a UConn alumni so have to show him some love as a former Husky.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

a .360 OBP is not a home run or an out player. What in the world.

You're correct, I should have added walks.

Cal Raleigh: The good for the team: 144 hits, 109 runs, 125 RBI's, 95 walks. The bad: 180 Ks.
84 hits without homeruns

Aaron Judge: The good for the team: 173 hits, 133 runs, 109 RBI's, 121 walks.
The bad: 157 Ks.
122 hits without homeruns.

Judge is 1 run away from a career high. 1 intentional walk away from having the most intentional walks by an AL player ever. Set the record for most 1st inning home runs in a season in MLB history.

[glassofwater]

Does anyone else think Topps/fanatics will hold potential mvp players for update in the future

People are going to be chasing Raleigh cards in update for potential buyback

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

Does anyone else think Topps/fanatics will hold potential mvp players for update in the future

People are going to be chasing Raleigh cards in update for potential buyback

I didn't even realize that he's not in Topps Chrome this year. That could be interesting for TCU.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

And yet no one has proven here that Cal is more valuable on things other than offense.

They repeat the tired "he's a platinum glove winner" which is not true of his defense this year. He is on par or just slightly better than Judge at defense.

Offensively, he hinders his team more since he is almost a basic out or home run.

I'm not sure how his handling of the staff leads to accolades (12th in batting average, 11th in ERA) but no one accounts that no matter what he calls, the pitcher still needs to execute the pitch. Also, why is it he doesn't lose "points for his handling" for all of the runs or hits the pitchers do give up?

Then there's the tired argument about leading the team into the playoffs like one person alone can do that. It also overlooks the fact they play in a weaker division, would not be in 1st in the AL East, and got crushed head to head by the Yankees who has the player he is battling for MVP with. And he did worse than that player in head to head games.

Mike Trout won a ton of MVPs and he lead his team nowhere.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

You're correct, I should have added walks.

Cal Raleigh: The good for the team: 144 hits, 109 runs, 125 RBI's, 95 walks. The bad: 180 Ks.
84 hits without homeruns

Aaron Judge: The good for the team: 173 hits, 133 runs, 109 RBI's, 121 walks.
The bad: 157 Ks.
122 hits without homeruns.

Judge is 1 run away from a career high. 1 intentional walk away from having the most intentional walks by an AL player ever. Set the record for most 1st inning home runs in a season in MLB history.

Also 86th% in fielding runs value and 93% in pitch framing for Cal!

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

You're correct, I should have added walks.

Cal Raleigh: The good for the team: 144 hits, 109 runs, 125 RBI's, 95 walks. The bad: 180 Ks.
84 hits without homeruns

Aaron Judge: The good for the team: 173 hits, 133 runs, 109 RBI's, 121 walks.
The bad: 157 Ks.
122 hits without homeruns.

Judge is 1 run away from a career high. 1 intentional walk away from having the most intentional walks by an AL player ever. Set the record for most 1st inning home runs in a season in MLB history.

You forgot to mention Judge's defense in the bad column.

Raleigh broke the single season record for HR's by a catcher, and Mantle's single season record for HR's by a switch hitter. But most 1st inning home runs and personal best in runs scored are both HUGE!

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Mike Trout won a ton of MVPs and he lead his team nowhere.

That’s why winning in baseball isn’t the main priority.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

You forgot to mention Judge's defense in the bad column.

Raleigh broke the single season record for HR's by a catcher, and Mantle's single season record for HR's by a switch hitter. But most 1st inning home runs and personal best in runs scored are both HUGE!

Now show Ohtani fielding! Blow this up!

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

That’s why winning in baseball isn’t the main priority.

It certainly isn't the priority for Mike Trout.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Updated money lines have Raleigh -220, Judge +170

This is wild -- Judge still leads Cal in every noteworthy category but HR and RBI. The Yankees can still win their division and have the best record in the AL as well. In other words, Judge should still have an edge.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Also 86th% in fielding runs value and 93% in pitch framing for Cal!

I was just responding to a comment specifically about offense.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

You forgot to mention Judge's defense in the bad column.

Raleigh broke the single season record for HR's by a catcher, and Mantle's single season record for HR's by a switch hitter. But most 1st inning home runs and personal best in runs scored are both HUGE!

One bad play from the post season has nothing to do with his defense this year, but keep up the homerism. Raleigh is far from the "platinum defense catcher" this year that the Raleigh sheep keep responding with.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

This is wild -- Judge still leads Cal in every noteworthy category but HR and RBI. The Yankees can still win their division and have the best record in the AL as well. In other words, Judge should still have an edge.

YEah, that's why I was saying earlier at those odds putting money on Judge is a solid bet. I think at worst, Judge should be even with Dumper, but I guess people are putting heavy money on Big D now. So the books have adjusted the odds accordingly.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

This is wild -- Judge still leads Cal in every noteworthy category but HR and RBI. The Yankees can still win their division and have the best record in the AL as well. In other words, Judge should still have an edge.

Keep up. Facts aren't allowed in here. Only speculation and what position you play. It's as if a DH didn't win MVP last year in the NL.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Now show Ohtani fielding! Blow this up!

2 errors in 100 games for Ohtani. Not too shabby.

[jraarmy]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

I'm gonna put $50 on Judge to win MVP just so I jinx him and Raleigh ends up winning. LOL
I win either way. Judge wins, I net some decent booze money. Raleigh wins, I lose $50 but can witness fulltitty melting down on BO. lmao

This is genius

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I was just responding to a comment specifically about offense.

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Keep up. Facts aren't allowed in here. Only speculation and what position you play. It's as if a DH didn't win MVP last year in the NL.

Right, we've been over this, nobody wants to talk defense. Also, it's unusual I'm sure to see emphasis on the position someone plays, it's relevant here because specifically with catcher it's still very hard to quantify value for things catchers do. I'm not a narrative guy, but how do you value handling a pitching staff, being a plus defender which unlike an infielder or outfielder the metrics still don't tell us the full story of their value. It's not a knock on Judge, but it's a very real argument to make for Cal.

[jraarmy]

lol I see the meltdown has already started is it those new Vegas odds?

[Nostalgia]

Might be worse for the judge and Yankee haters if judge doesn’t win the MVP.


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[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Might be worse for the judge and Yankee haters if judge doesn’t win the MVP.


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Especially if he doesn't win and they disappoint in the playoffs again this year.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

This is wild -- Judge still leads Cal in every noteworthy category but HR and RBI. The Yankees can still win their division and have the best record in the AL as well. In other words, Judge should still have an edge.

It's not that wild. "Noteworthy" is a relative measure. Judge is having an amazing season. Raleigh is having a historic season. History matters in baseball. The Hank Aaron award was created so that the stat winner can get something in case someone else does something more significant. Which Raleigh has accomplished this year.