2025 Topps Chrome Disney

[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I've been asking myself this same question since 2020 and line just goes up. I don't get it myself but I'm just sitting on the sidelines and collecting what I can for what I think are reasonable prices.

Yes been in the game a long time and there is a SEISMIC shift in that lets say before a box of Chrome was like $125 if you got hosed it was not that big of a loss. That same $125 box if it became popular / sought after might jump to $500 at some point but the card prices might still be relatively reasonable.

Now, Fanatics/Topps is taking all that margin in between pre-hand whether the product is good or crap and card prices appear to be somewhat inflated.

No money to make up for the little guy if something grows in price in the market to recoup previous little losses on boxes.

Now it is only big loss, big loss etc and most dont have deep pockets.

Breakers driving the costs up and lining their pockets doesn't help and it is a lottery system.

Last big purchase by me was $5k on the recent Marvel Masterpieces. I could probably only recoup $1k from sales of the better hits. I can't and won't play that game going forward.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Yes been in the game a long time and there is a SEISMIC shift in that lets say before a box of Chrome was like $125 if you got hosed it was not that big of a loss. That same $125 box if it became popular / sought after might jump to $500 at some point but the card prices might still be relatively reasonable.

Now, Fanatics/Topps is taking all that margin in between pre-hand whether the product is good or crap and card prices appear to be somewhat inflated.

No money to make up for the little guy if something grows in price in the market to recoup previous little losses on boxes.

Now it is only big loss, big loss etc and most dont have deep pockets.

Breakers driving the costs up and lining their pockets doesn't help and it is a lottery system.

Last big purchase by me was $5k on the recent Marvel Masterpieces. I could probably only recoup $1k from sales of the better hits. I can't and won't play that game going forward.

I tapped out when I saw that prices for one spot in a break were more than what I paid for a box pre-covid. After that, I realized that opening boxes was no longer for me as it was a very bad financial proposition.

[Bruin7]

I feel the sketch cards are ridiculously drawn (like high school level) besides a couple listed so far. And the asking prices are outrageous. I also saw case break spots for the sketches ending between 250-300+. What does this do for the 2003-2004 Upper Deck Disney Treasures sketch cards? There were only 4 series and each series had 100-120 total. You could open 25 cases and not hit one. Plus the artists from those sets were actual Disney employees that worked on well known projects. The Topps sketch cards are done by artists with no Disney ties. Super disappointed by the Topps sketch thus far.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

I feel the sketch cards are ridiculously drawn (like high school level) besides a couple listed so far. And the asking prices are outrageous. I also saw case break spots for the sketches ending between 250-300+. What does this do for the 2003-2004 Upper Deck Disney Treasures sketch cards? There were only 4 series and each series had 100-120 total. You could open 25 cases and not hit one. Plus the artists from those sets were actual Disney employees that worked on well known projects. The Topps sketch cards are done by artists with no Disney ties. Super disappointed by the Topps sketch thus far.

[Bruin7]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

These are beautiful but I was referring to what’s on eBay currently. The Stitch for $5k on there is beautiful but overpriced. Also you can’t tell me sketches like the Aladdin/Genie sketch looks great. It’s mediocre work and for some reason over $400.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

These are beautiful but I was referring to what’s on eBay currently. The Stitch for $5k on there is beautiful but overpriced. Also you can’t tell me sketches like the Aladdin/Genie sketch looks great. It’s mediocre work and for some reason over $400.

I literally didn't say anything.

[Bruin7]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I literally didn't say anything.

Sorry I was just continuing my rant lol

[PrinceVegeta]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Yes been in the game a long time and there is a SEISMIC shift in that lets say before a box of Chrome was like $125 if you got hosed it was not that big of a loss. That same $125 box if it became popular / sought after might jump to $500 at some point but the card prices might still be relatively reasonable.

Now, Fanatics/Topps is taking all that margin in between pre-hand whether the product is good or crap and card prices appear to be somewhat inflated.

No money to make up for the little guy if something grows in price in the market to recoup previous little losses on boxes.

Now it is only big loss, big loss etc and most dont have deep pockets.

Breakers driving the costs up and lining their pockets doesn't help and it is a lottery system.

Last big purchase by me was $5k on the recent Marvel Masterpieces. I could probably only recoup $1k from sales of the better hits. I can't and won't play that game going forward.

No one wants Disney wonder, boxes are selling for losses.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

Sorry I was just continuing my rant lol

People buy the sketch slots at $250-$300 thinking they're going to hit what all the great artists are showing on the socials. Sure, I agree with you mostly but this is all just part of the game that has always gone on. I bought a case of 2012 Galactic Files and hit a Gary Kezele sketch of Han Solo's gun. Worth the price I paid of $1,200? Probably not. But that was in 2013 or 14 and I still own it so ... I'm in the end happy with my purchase.

The big problem with this release is how rare the sketch cards are. The price really isn't about the art as a couple completed listings and a few auctions are showing.

[dd316]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

What does this do for the 2003-2004 Upper Deck Disney Treasures sketch cards? There were only 4 series and each series had 100-120 total. You could open 25 cases and not hit one. Plus the artists from those sets were actual Disney employees that worked on well known projects. The Topps sketch cards are done by artists with no Disney ties.

I don't think this impacts Disney Treasures sketch values at all for every reason you named. You'll have the collectors who only want the new hotness, but seasoned collectors should keep the OG values high.

[crdbored]

Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

No one wants Disney wonder, boxes are selling for losses.

These will be super interesting to watch when they release.

It's a paper product so that already puts people off but the autos and some of the inserts are on chrome stock.
It'll probably continue the hidden gems run like in other products. It also includes sketches and autos (maybe a few surprise ones?).

There are also less hobby boxes than chrome at a fraction of the cost.
Highest # to 99.

If breakers were able to get allocation at $99 pre-sale price, they will FEAST off this.
I can see it get a jump in price the same way Flagship goes up even though it's paper with tons printed.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by crdbored

These will be super interesting to watch when they release.

It's a paper product so that already puts people off but the autos and some of the inserts are on chrome stock.
It'll probably continue the hidden gems run like in other products. It also includes sketches and autos (maybe a few surprise ones?).

There are also less hobby boxes than chrome at a fraction of the cost.
Highest # to 99.

If breakers were able to get allocation at $99 pre-sale price, they will FEAST off this.
I can see it get a jump in price the same way Flagship goes up even though it's paper with tons printed.

It will 100% depend on this release. If it continues to trend down and prices soften Wonder will not do good. If this one flushes out the initial product dump and then trends upwards Wonder will do great. I don't see a scenario where Wonder goes up while Chrome goes down though.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Target.com dropping blaster boxes. Got 2 but $84 shipped feels steep. Might cancel, TBD

Originally Posted by bub838

Buddy of mine opened a mega. Aside from the expected (hitting nothing, 1 numbered)
He said the quality is absolutely atrocious.

Whew, glad I made the right decision to cancel the order.

Almost talked myself into keeping the boxes to rip with my daughter, but 6 packs of 4 cards (mostly base or junk parallels) didn't seem worth it at $42 per box.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Whew, glad I made the right decision to cancel the order.

Almost talked myself into keeping the boxes to rip with my daughter, but 6 packs of 4 cards (mostly base or junk parallels) didn't seem worth it at $42 per box.

Retail of pretty much everything now is no bueno. I haven't bought retail in a long time.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Retail of pretty much everything now is no bueno. I haven't bought retail in a long time.

Haha I know, I just wanted to rip some Topps Disney wax with my daughter because she loves Disney and it would've been a fun bonding activity (she actually enjoys opening packs too).

But $42 for 6 (mostly junk) packs is expensive. I'll just wait for BO's Black November, hopefully they'll have 20-box blaster cases of Topps Star Wars Resistance for $80 again.

[premium1981]

This remains a baffling release to me. More than any other I have ever tracked. Most people know, but I'm a numbers guy. I can sit at my computer and run numbers and create spreadsheets all day long. And when I walk away I feel like there is a loose bag of numbers in my head rolling around. Yea, I'm one of those weirdos.

Day 2 of full tracking this stuff:

Here is one of the craziest things I have seen. Breaks continue to be filled at values between $650 and $1,000 a box.

Mamba is on whatnot right now pulling in over $1,000 a box for 6 box breaks. His 6 box break running right now tallies at $7,152 for 6 boxes. Yes, 6 boxes, not a case. And yet pretty much everyone has been dumping their boxes and cases on dealernet and ebay. Prices per box are selling from between the ranges of $470-$560. The last Blez break I calculated was $13,000 for a case. They have the perk of PSA grading for big hits, but that is still a big premium.

I know a lot of dealers and shops felt the September slowdown pretty hard, so makes me wonder if that is why people are flushing them so fast? Several other releases have crashed under cost recently and I have a feeling that is feeding the dip.

BUT, they made a lot of this. Obviously breakers will never stop with these kinds of margins, but all of them do not do this good. I just find it incredibly intriguing to see action on both ends of the spectrum that almost never appears like this. Actually, I have never seen it exactly like this. There is strong data on both the buy and the sell side and I could make an argument for the product to go in either direction. I have my charts continuing to be filled with more data and watching to see what direction it pushes. I'm loving it.

On a side note, I still have not seen a John Goodman autograph. Time for his to pop up somewhere.

[Sickleclaw]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

People buy the sketch slots at $250-$300 thinking they're going to hit what all the great artists are showing on the socials. Sure, I agree with you mostly but this is all just part of the game that has always gone on. I bought a case of 2012 Galactic Files and hit a Gary Kezele sketch of Han Solo's gun. Worth the price I paid of $1,200? Probably not. But that was in 2013 or 14 and I still own it so ... I'm in the end happy with my purchase.

The big problem with this release is how rare the sketch cards are. The price really isn't about the art as a couple completed listings and a few auctions are showing.

Agreed, the sketch cards are super rare, and paying for a sketch slot at a few hundred dollars still isnt guaranteed to get you one. Also breakers who have the sketch slot seperate from the individual character...I tend to just exit these shows when I realize that theres no hope to get a sketch.

Yeah, I looked in one of the breaks and saw for example Buzz lightyear spot at 700...I was like yikes and closed the tab.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by Sickleclaw

Agreed, the sketch cards are super rare, and paying for a sketch slot at a few hundred dollars still isnt guaranteed to get you one. Also breakers who have the sketch slot seperate from the individual character...I tend to just exit these shows when I realize that theres no hope to get a sketch.

Yeah, I looked in one of the breaks and saw for example Buzz lightyear spot at 700...I was like yikes and closed the tab.

I've never done a break before. If you put money on a sketch spot and there isn't a sketch, I assume you just lost the money. Is that right? Or do breakers give you some type of credit?

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by PurplesaurusRex

I've never done a break before. If you put money on a sketch spot and there isn't a sketch, I assume you just lost the money. Is that right? Or do breakers give you some type of credit?

They don’t give credit for anything at all. At least not from anything I have seen. Lots of people walk away from breaks with nada.

[Bruin7]

Originally Posted by premium1981

This remains a baffling release to me. More than any other I have ever tracked. Most people know, but I'm a numbers guy. I can sit at my computer and run numbers and create spreadsheets all day long. And when I walk away I feel like there is a loose bag of numbers in my head rolling around. Yea, I'm one of those weirdos.

Day 2 of full tracking this stuff:

Here is one of the craziest things I have seen. Breaks continue to be filled at values between $650 and $1,000 a box.

Mamba is on whatnot right now pulling in over $1,000 a box for 6 box breaks. His 6 box break running right now tallies at $7,152 for 6 boxes. Yes, 6 boxes, not a case. And yet pretty much everyone has been dumping their boxes and cases on dealernet and ebay. Prices per box are selling from between the ranges of $470-$560. The last Blez break I calculated was $13,000 for a case. They have the perk of PSA grading for big hits, but that is still a big premium.

I know a lot of dealers and shops felt the September slowdown pretty hard, so makes me wonder if that is why people are flushing them so fast? Several other releases have crashed under cost recently and I have a feeling that is feeding the dip.

BUT, they made a lot of this. Obviously breakers will never stop with these kinds of margins, but all of them do not do this good. I just find it incredibly intriguing to see action on both ends of the spectrum that almost never appears like this. Actually, I have never seen it exactly like this. There is strong data on both the buy and the sell side and I could make an argument for the product to go in either direction. I have my charts continuing to be filled with more data and watching to see what direction it pushes. I'm loving it.

On a side note, I still have not seen a John Goodman autograph. Time for his to pop up somewhere.

Wow that’s disgusting. I wonder what percentage of people actually know what they’re buying.

[crdbored]

^Unfortunately, users on the apps (whatnot & fanatics live) are relatively new so they just go with the hype and spend $$$.

Those companies have done a great job of attracting people into the "hobby."
It's fascinating how easily people just buy buy buy on there.

[PrinceVegeta]

Originally Posted by premium1981

On a side note, I still have not seen a John Goodman autograph. Time for his to pop up somewhere.

Mamabreaks hit a Goodman earlier today. 1/5 with an awesome inscription

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by PrinceVegeta

Mamabreaks hit a Goodman earlier today. 1/5 with an awesome inscription

Is there a pic anywhere? I would love to see it.

[PrinceVegeta]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Is there a pic anywhere? I would love to see it.

Search her on YouTube it's in the recap at the end

[IndySportsCards]

Everything is ass backwards anymore. People asking TOP dollar because they overpaid for a box of children's cards thinking it's their "precious".. In the past people would open product and if it became popular and a demand was created things might sell for high amounts, but this current trend of overpaying for boxes and listing things at insane prices isn't sustainable, especially given the product IMHO. The market can not support this, nor will it. Enough people haven't been burned hard enough yet, but it's coming I feel.

That being said, I opened 1 Hobby pack today and pulled a Colonel Hathi Superfractor #1/1


that's enough for me