Your 2025 AL MVP will be....?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

they aren't the same type of hitter.

That's the point! If you value batting average above everything else like you seem to, you're going to say Arraez, right?

[JRX]

Simple statistical analysis of 210 players with at least 400pa, avg wRC+ is 108, Cal is 2.4stdev away from mean, Judge is 4.25. Almost a full 2 stdev away from Cal. Also if you expand to 400pa, Kurtz is second in the AL. That dude can rake.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

That's the point! If you value batting average above everything else like you seem to, you're going to say Arraez, right?

Did Arraez also lead the league in OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, wRC+, and at least a half dozen other categories?

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by JRX

Simple statistical analysis of 210 players with at least 400pa, avg wRC+ is 108, Cal is 2.4stdev away from mean, Judge is 4.25. Almost a full 2 stdev away from Cal. Also if you expand to 400pa, Kurtz is second in the AL. That dude can rake.

I think we've confirmed 700 different ways in this thread that Aaron Judge is absolutely the Hank Aaron award winner this year...

[Nostalgia]

Again, Judge is the only player with more than 35 homeruns that has a .300+ batting average....and hes at .330!

Ohtani is at .280

Schwarber, Raleigh, Suarez are below .250

Its the combo of AVG and Power that sets Judge apart from everyone else.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

That's the point! If you value batting average above everything else like you seem to, you're going to say Arraez, right?

It's not just batting average. Judge leads in almost every category.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Did Arraez also lead the league in OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, wRC+, and at least a half dozen other categories?

YUP.

I hate the Yankees and clearly Judge has been better this year.

[BoSoxFan1999]

I was reading an Athletic article about Judge vs Raleigh, and one of the MVP voters this year (anonymous) mentioned that because "Raleigh has a lot more HR and RBI", he should get the nod over Judge. I mean a voter that is actually placing importance on RBI....come on, man.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

That's the point! If you value batting average above everything else like you seem to, you're going to say Arraez, right?

When did I say I value batting average above everything else? Judge is crushing Cal in batting average and almost every other offensive category. His batting average is the best in MLB out of every player. Cal is only beating Judge in homeruns by 9 (and we all know that should only be 8 if the MLB Replay room wasn't incompetent) and RBI's by 16.

Once again, Cal is only batting .001 above the league average and is 26th in hits in the AL. He has 31 less hits than Judge while playing more games. How is that not affect his value in the MVP race?

[Above the Rim]

Stats are super important. But I've learned (painfully & while disagreeing) its not always about stats.

Take a look at the last NFL MVP - Lamar Jackson had better overall stats and was 1st Team All-PRO. Josh Allen was 2nd TEAM All-PRO and won the award.

Take a look at the last NBA MVP - Jokic had monster stats better than his other MVP seasons, did things nobody ever did on an NBA floor, the best overall stats of anyone in the league last year. SGA won the award.

If this means anything at all, Raleigh takes it home this year.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by JRX

Simple statistical analysis of 210 players with at least 400pa, avg wRC+ is 108, Cal is 2.4stdev away from mean, Judge is 4.25. Almost a full 2 stdev away from Cal. Also if you expand to 400pa, Kurtz is second in the AL. That dude can rake.

Moar stats FTW...

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Did Arraez also lead the league in OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, wRC+, and at least a half dozen other categories?

Originally Posted by blackbears86

It's not just batting average. Judge leads in almost every category.

Originally Posted by fulltritty

When did I say I value batting average above everything else? Judge is crushing Cal in batting average and almost every other offensive category. His batting average is the best in MLB out of every player. Cal is only beating Judge in homeruns by 9 (and we all know that should only be 8 if the MLB Replay room wasn't incompetent) and RBI's by 16.

Once again, Cal is only batting .001 above the league average and is 26th in hits in the AL. He has 31 less hits than Judge while playing more games. How is that not affect his value in the MVP race?

Yes guys, we've already well established Judge is a much better overall hitter this season, there hasn't been a debate from me against that.

As for fulltritty, you haven't outright said it, but look at you continuing to use hits and batting average as your means to dismiss his MVP chances when again, we have far better measures of offensive production in 2025 (wRC+ or OPS+, which measures a batters total offensive production while adjusting for position)

Originally Posted by cnewby

Moar stats FTW...

More great analysis from Chad!

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

More great analysis from Chad!

keep raging! We are laughing.

[TBTC Baseball]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Moar stats FTW...

MVP is about the story when there is one, not about the stats. See 2022 AL...2018 AL...2023 NL...2012 AL. Cal has a story, Judge doesn't this year.

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by atk825

Judge has really sputtered down the stretch. He only has a .540 OBP in September.

And yet he dominates still in almost every category. It’s funny how 8 or 9 hrs are valued more than the huge difference in avg and ops among other stats.


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[atk825]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

In his last 3 games Judge is batting over .550, with 5 hits, 2 home runs and 4 RBIs.

Sputtered?

Notice I quoted on base. Not on base plus slugging. He’s been incredible.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Someone posted this in the baseball subreddit. Very interesting that Raleigh would have LESS HRs if he played the bulk of his games at Yankee stadium and not T-Mobile Park.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

Someone posted this in the baseball subreddit. Very interesting that Raleigh would have LESS HRs if he played the bulk of his games at Yankee stadium and not T-Mobile Park.

That assumes he would stick with his right/left switch hitting. It's more likely he would hit primarily lefty if he played at Yankee Stadium.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

That assumes he would stick with his right/left switch hitting. It's more likely he would hit primarily lefty if he played at Yankee Stadium.

And if he played in Sacramento, he'd be challenging Bonds' record. LOL

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

And if he played in Sacramento, he'd be challenging Bonds' record. LOL

What a time to be an A's fan...

[JoshMN]

1 Cal Raleigh Mariners C -190
2 Aaron Judge Yankees RF +155

Who would have believed that back in August? Just go back through the comments here on BO... amazing this is where we are.

3 games left. The tension from Yankees fans is palpable.

[caflisch78]

Originally Posted by Above the Rim

Stats are super important. But I've learned (painfully & while disagreeing) its not always about stats.

Take a look at the last NFL MVP - Lamar Jackson had better overall stats and was 1st Team All-PRO. Josh Allen was 2nd TEAM All-PRO and won the award.

Take a look at the last NBA MVP - Jokic had monster stats better than his other MVP seasons, did things nobody ever did on an NBA floor, the best overall stats of anyone in the league last year. SGA won the award.

If this means anything at all, Raleigh takes it home this year.

I like what you did there, i'm with you! Second best award!!

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Yes guys, we've already well established Judge is a much better overall hitter this season, there hasn't been a debate from me against that.

As for fulltritty, you haven't outright said it, but look at you continuing to use hits and batting average as your means to dismiss his MVP chances when again, we have far better measures of offensive production in 2025 (wRC+ or OPS+, which measures a batters total offensive production while adjusting for position)



More great analysis from Chad!

And last time I checked, Judge is beating Cal in wRC+ 202 to 162 and in OPS+ 214 to 171. What's the next stat you want to throw out that still proves Judge is better?

[BoSoxFan1999]

AL MVP debate on BO summed up in 1 gif:

[atk825]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

1 Cal Raleigh Mariners C -190
2 Aaron Judge Yankees RF +155

Who would have believed that back in August? Just go back through the comments here on BO... amazing this is where we are.

3 games left. The tension from Yankees fans is palpable.

It's funny Judge in September is .371/.540/.743...which isn't even really that much better than his season as a whole. He wouldn't be the first person to get robbed of an MVP but goodness he's been another level.