MVP Robbery!! - Page 2

Badgers0821 · 09-26-2025, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Here's another Cleveland robbery. Manny had a much better argument to win in 1999 than Judge has over Raleigh this year...

Gold glove is the only thing there that would get Pudge close

vwnut13 · 09-26-2025, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Here's another Cleveland robbery. Manny had a much better argument to win in 1999 than Judge has over Raleigh this year...

So post the Judge/Raleigh side-by-side comparison.

Nostalgia · 09-26-2025, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vwnut13

So post the Judge/Raleigh side-by-side comparison.

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theshowandme · 09-26-2025, 04:25 PM

no10pin · 09-26-2025, 04:28 PM

I'd love to see how this exact season would get voted on today. This is the 1984 AL MVP vote, where two of the top three were relief pitchers, including the winner.

Tony Armas and his 2.6 WAR led in HRs by a good margin
Dwight Evans led in Runs and OPS
Don Mattingly led in BA and hits
Harold Baines (!) led in slugging percentage
Only 7 points total went to starting pitchers
And all the way at the bottom of the list with 1 point, Cal Ripken led in WAR with 10.

Nostalgia · 09-26-2025, 04:30 PM

some of these are just comical.

the voters should be ashamed of themselves.

goyder43 · 09-26-2025, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I think he had that off field issue by then that had soured people against him. If I remember correctly it was related to Halloween.

Well, from the top of my head there was:
Trying to run kids over on Halloween
Hannah Storm tirade
Throwing baseballs at fans in the stands
Corking Bat
Fernando Vina
Thermostat destruction

But he got jobbed regardless

no10pin · 09-26-2025, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by goyder43

Well, from the top of my head there was:
Trying to run kids over on Halloween
Hannah Storm tirade
Throwing baseballs at fans in the stands
Corking Bat
Fernando Vina
Thermostat destruction

But he got jobbed regardless

The corked bat incident happened the year prior to the MVP vote being discussed. I'm sure at least a couple of voters dropped him on their list because of that.

asujbl · 09-26-2025, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by goyder43

Well, from the top of my head there was:
Trying to run kids over on Halloween
Hannah Storm tirade
Throwing baseballs at fans in the stands
Corking Bat
Fernando Vina
Thermostat destruction

But he got jobbed regardless

This is a HOF stupid post

So you’ve got that on the resume

MJB14 · 09-26-2025, 04:45 PM

1962. Maury Wills over Willie Mays just because Wills broke the single season SB record

codered · 09-26-2025, 05:21 PM

I see no one want to mention defence/postions? Obviously it’s rare for a catcher to have a huge offensive season, especially ones that are amazing defensively. Cal might not win the gold glove this year (hopefully it’s Kirk) but he won the gold glove/platinum glove last year. He’s one of the best defensively at a very demanding position. Even if judge has slightly better numbers offensively he plays in right and I have never once heard his name mentioned for a gold glove. It’s the same for the old pudge/manny debate. Pudge had an all time great season for a catcher offensively and was the best defensive catcher in the game. Manny never sniffed a gold glove, though he was fun to watch. Pudge deserved it in 99 as cal deserves it this year.

JoshMN · 09-26-2025, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MJB14

1962. Maury Wills over Willie Mays just because Wills broke the single season SB record

Willie got screwed a few times. Hindsight with stats is obviously different these days, but imagine leading your league in HR, OPS+, and WAR and finishing 4th (1955) or 6th (1964).

Don Mattingly over Rickey Henderson (3rd place) or even George Brett (2nd place) in 1985. It's one of those times a guy won MVP because of RBI. Especially egregious because Rickey was on the same team, but was significantly more valuable to the team that year.

Juan Gonzalez over Griffey Jr. or A-Rod in 1996. I guess they split the vote.

Skipscards · 09-26-2025, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

The Judge/Raleigh thread has me thinking about years where the MVP made no sense at all. Use this thread to post MVP years where someone got completely robbed!

I'll go first:

1970 -- Yaz finished 4th in the MVP voting behind the other 3 guys on this list (Boog Powell won it). He only received 2x first place votes! He led the league in Runs, OBP, SLG, OBP, WAR and lost the batting title by .0003

Yaz wasn’t robbed. The Red Sox finished in third place, 21 games back of the best team in baseball. Boog was the best player on that team.

If you want robbery, the 1984 AL MVP race was it.

JohnnyHatesJazz · 09-26-2025, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by goyder43

Well, from the top of my head there was:
Trying to run kids over on Halloween
Hannah Storm tirade
Throwing baseballs at fans in the stands
Corking Bat
Fernando Vina
Thermostat destruction

But he got jobbed regardless

Yeah MVP voting is like the HOF voting. Character matters.

PeteD · 09-26-2025, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I think he had that off field issue by then that had soured people against him. If I remember correctly it was related to Halloween.

yeah the press didn't like Joey much.

mantlefan7 · 09-26-2025, 08:56 PM

I always thought McGwire should’ve won in ‘98 over Sosa. I know the Cubs won the division that year, but man, it seemed like Dennis Eckersley and the Cardinal bullpen blew a lot of games.

hammertime · 09-26-2025, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Yaz wasn’t robbed. The Red Sox finished in third place, 21 games back of the best team in baseball. Boog was the best player on that team.

If you want robbery, the 1984 AL MVP race was it.

Who cares, you shouldn't get dinged for playing on a crappy team.

Mister2Bits · 09-26-2025, 09:35 PM

Enough said.

hxcmilkshake · 09-26-2025, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Heinie Zimmerman won the Triple Crown in 1912 and finished tied for 6th in the MVP vote

He wasn't even the leading vote getter on his team. That went to Joe Tinker, who had a batting average 90 points lower than Zimmerman.

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Skipscards · 09-26-2025, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hammertime

Who cares, you shouldn't get dinged for playing on a crappy team.

Traditionally, the voters care. Also, the goal of the game is to win. Want to increase your chances of winning the MVP? Help your team win.

coltsnsox07 · 09-26-2025, 10:55 PM

A-roid and Andre Dawson won MVP's on last place teams.

Noles939913 · 09-26-2025, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I think he had that off field issue by then that had soured people against him. If I remember correctly it was related to Halloween.

That Indians team was also absolutely loaded. Lofton, Vizquel, Thome, Ramirez, Murray, etc. The Red Sox not so much.

Noles939913 · 09-26-2025, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteD

yeah the press didn't like Joey much.

For good reason. He was a drunken roid head who drank coffee 24/7 which is not a good combination. He once destroyed the clubhouse because someone had the audacity to turn the thermostat above his preferred temperature of 58 degrees.

JWBlue · 09-27-2025, 12:07 AM

Nobody thought Vaughn had a better year than Belle.

It was 100% a personality issue.

Archangel1775 · 09-27-2025, 12:17 AM

Albert Belle 100%. I didn't know baseball too well but I knew a robbery when I saw one and I knew why.

The 1984 Voting is just nuts. I wonder if it would be Trammel, Hrbek, Murray, Ripken or Mattingly if it went today. Did the players cancel each other out back then Was that the mindset? So Orioles Murray/Ripken shouldn't win it, Tigers Gibson/Trammel

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no10pin Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 16,904 no10pin no10pin	I'd love to see how this exact season would get voted on today. This is the 1984 AL MVP vote, where two of the top three were relief pitchers, including the winner. Tony Armas and his 2.6 WAR led in HRs by a good margin Dwight Evans led in Runs and OPS Don Mattingly led in BA and hits Harold Baines (!) led in slugging percentage Only 7 points total went to starting pitchers And all the way at the bottom of the list with 1 point, Cal Ripken led in WAR with 10. __________________ Always looking for more George Brett stuff. Need more rookies, low numbered inserts/parallels and on-card autos (no Panini).

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Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,895	Albert Belle 100%. I didn't know baseball too well but I knew a robbery when I saw one and I knew why. The 1984 Voting is just nuts. I wonder if it would be Trammel, Hrbek, Murray, Ripken or Mattingly if it went today. Did the players cancel each other out back then Was that the mindset? So Orioles Murray/Ripken shouldn't win it, Tigers Gibson/Trammel __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.* Last edited by Archangel1775; 09-27-2025 at 12:21 AM.

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09-26-2025, 04:30 PM	#31
Nostalgia Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: New York Posts: 2,027	some of these are just comical. the voters should be ashamed of themselves.

09-26-2025, 04:45 PM	#35
MJB14 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 46	1962. Maury Wills over Willie Mays just because Wills broke the single season SB record

09-26-2025, 05:21 PM	#36
codered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Saskatoon, SK Posts: 4,012 codered	I see no one want to mention defence/postions? Obviously it’s rare for a catcher to have a huge offensive season, especially ones that are amazing defensively. Cal might not win the gold glove this year (hopefully it’s Kirk) but he won the gold glove/platinum glove last year. He’s one of the best defensively at a very demanding position. Even if judge has slightly better numbers offensively he plays in right and I have never once heard his name mentioned for a gold glove. It’s the same for the old pudge/manny debate. Pudge had an all time great season for a catcher offensively and was the best defensive catcher in the game. Manny never sniffed a gold glove, though he was fun to watch. Pudge deserved it in 99 as cal deserves it this year.

09-26-2025, 10:55 PM	#46
coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,211	A-roid and Andre Dawson won MVP's on last place teams.