Topps Three Kings Program

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by sixtyfeet

No one is going to ask how on on the day the program is announced the card they use to announce the program is already signed/personalized to someone who has the requisite cards? (and also claimed a second one)??

dont ask, dont tell?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by sixtyfeet

No one is going to ask how on on the day the program is announced the card they use to announce the program is already signed/personalized to someone who has the requisite cards? (and also claimed a second one)??

Doesn't it make sense that they heard of the collector who managed to get all 3 and that was the inspiration for the promotion?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Why would anyone want a three kings card of a hobby scrub if they don’t want their supers in the first place?

This is another case of fanatics catering to the addicts and obsessive-compulsive, ie the easy money.

Short term financial strategy, long term loss of more collectors.

We call those people collectors. They are catering to collectors.

How jaded do people have to be where we've lost sight of what it means to collect cards?

[PuddleMonkey]

Collecting history tells us not to put three photos of the same guy on one card.

[PuddleMonkey]

Unless you're bringing Sportflix back.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Btw, this dude "kernscards" who claimed those first two reward cards is the kind whose cards make people salivate. I follow him on IG - his high-end prospects/rookies are the stuff of legend.

If he's such a big deal, how come he's not on here????

[notfast]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Not dumb at all. I used to love the chases like this back in the 90s-00s. Just something fun for supercollectors. I literally see no negative side of this. If this upsets you, you should reevaluate some things.

It doesn’t upset me, its just stupid and is nothing more than a pat on the back to the super rich.

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

How about throwing some hobby peasants a bone? Would be a bigger deal if it was a chase involving the whole collecting community and not just the whales.

This.



This isn’t a hobby chase by a simple definition. This is just a companion card to whoever has the most money…exactly what the industry needs when the prices of everything get higher and higher.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

We call those people collectors. They are catering to collectors.

How jaded do people have to be where we've lost sight of what it means to collect cards?

Some people simply don’t have the ability to see the big picture.

How are those “collectors” going to find the holy trinity of a player?

Oh yeah, the degenerate gamblers and the obsessed are going to find it for them and ransom them at blackmail prices. Fanatics will take their share simply from the chase.

So the bigger question you must ask - how deep are “collectors” going to reach into their pockets for even no-name hobby scrubs?

How many “true collectors” are out there to dig really deep to land a gimmick card?

Good luck justifying that, bossman!

[JoshMN]

On the flip side, this opens the door for UFC-style cage matches to settle who gets to own all three cards of a player.

It will be like a unification title bout. Mark my words, there will be times when two or three people own the cards for a given player and no one will want to give them up to the other collectors. But someone needs to obtain the one card to rule them all, so the only reasonable way to resolve that situation will be televised combat! Loser gives up their card(s) for an appropriate predetermined amount.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by notfast

It doesn’t upset me, its just stupid and is nothing more than a pat on the back to the super rich.

It's only the super rich for super popular players. For those of us who don't collect the super popular, tracking down 1/1 rookies for our players is not only possible and fun, but not cost prohibitive for the average person. It is disingenuous to claim this is only for the super rich. 95% of the players this applies to can be obtained for a few thousand total.

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Some people simply don’t have the ability to see the big picture.

How are those “collectors” going to find the holy trinity of a player?

Oh yeah, the degenerate gamblers and the obsessed are going to find it for them and ransom them at blackmail prices. Fanatics will take their share simply from the chase.

So the bigger question you must ask - how deep are “collectors” going to reach into their pockets for even no-name hobby scrubs?

How many “true collectors” are out there to dig really deep to land a gimmick card?

Good luck justifying that, bossman!

I think you don't understand how a market works. Some breaker who pulls a super can try to extort collectors all they want. But if nobody wants to pay their astronomical price, the price WILL come down. Gamblers aren't interested in long term holds after all. They will get desperate to move it sooner rather than later. Collectors will dig into their pockets the exact amount they want to in order to get the cards they want of the player they collect. Nothing about who pulls the card changes any of that. You are just looking for a reason to complain about a fun hobby chase for player collectors, and looking for more reason to blame breakers/gamblers for a problem that doesn't even exist. You just made it up in your head.

What you fail to comprehend is that player supercollectors are ALREADY compiling these cards (where is our resident Riley Pint collector when you need him?). This isn't going to change a collector's habits other than to offer them a reward for something they are already doing. You are so blinded by your hatred for gamblers and breakers that you have forgotten just how many collectors are out there. You have forgotten what collecting is all about.

[hermanotarjeta]

Fanatics is essentially creating their own bounty, with very little out of their own pockets.

Cards will be held at ransom until the players become failed prospects.

Very few, if any, will be able to achieve this goal as the market dynamics will prevent most everyone from being able to complete it, even the wealthy.

This is a marketing scam at it’s finest, collectors will end up losing and fanatics will end up winning, as usual.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Fanatics is essentially creating their own bounty, with very little out of their own pockets.

Cards will be held at ransom until the players become failed prospects.

Very few, if any, will be able to achieve this goal as the market dynamics will prevent most everyone from being able to complete it, even the wealthy.

This is a marketing scam at it’s finest, collectors will end up losing and fanatics will end up winning, as usual.

This has to be the most stupid, contrived "theory" I have ever heard. Only you could take something like a company offering a reward for player supercollectors and twist it into something like that, logical fallacies and all.

[ThatGuyPal]

You’re all going to continue supporting Topps do who is really “dumb” here? Lol

I also questioned how two have been fulfilled though. I know there both young but convenient they managed to bd sure to do this before someone moved one of the three cards for either player. Not saying they wouldn’t of kept them but plenty of people acquire cards like this then decide to keep only one or atleast sell one if the three especially if value increases exponentially.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

You’re all going to continue supporting Topps do who is really “dumb” here? Lol

I also questioned how two have been fulfilled though. I know there both young but convenient they managed to bd sure to do this before someone moved one of the three cards for either player. Not saying they wouldn’t of kept them but plenty of people acquire cards like this then decide to keep only one or atleast sell one if the three especially if value increases exponentially.

As a player supercollector, I have a hard time understanding why people don't get how we collect. I guess they just don't see the hobby the same way, but pretty much every player out there has a collector who is seeking out and stashing every rare card of that player they can. I doesn't even cross my mind to doubt that a player collector has accumulated the 3 biggest 1/1s of their player. That's literally the chase we all are on. And I know MANY fellow player collectors who have accomplished much more than that in their collection of their player.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

It's only the super rich for super popular players. For those of us who don't collect the super popular, tracking down 1/1 rookies for our players is not only possible and fun, but not cost prohibitive for the average person. It is disingenuous to claim this is only for the super rich. 95% of the players this applies to can be obtained for a few thousand total.



I think you don't understand how a market works. Some breaker who pulls a super can try to extort collectors all they want. But if nobody wants to pay their astronomical price, the price WILL come down. Gamblers aren't interested in long term holds after all. They will get desperate to move it sooner rather than later. Collectors will dig into their pockets the exact amount they want to in order to get the cards they want of the player they collect. Nothing about who pulls the card changes any of that. You are just looking for a reason to complain about a fun hobby chase for player collectors, and looking for more reason to blame breakers/gamblers for a problem that doesn't even exist. You just made it up in your head.

What you fail to comprehend is that player supercollectors are ALREADY compiling these cards (where is our resident Riley Pint collector when you need him?). This isn't going to change a collector's habits other than to offer them a reward for something they are already doing. You are so blinded by your hatred for gamblers and breakers that you have forgotten just how many collectors are out there. You have forgotten what collecting is all about.

WAT?

The cost of obtaining all three copies has just skyrocketed past “a few thousand” total for 95% of the players. Less than 95% of the collectors here earn more than an attorney’s salary - your concept of how much a “true collector” is willing to spend is completely skewed.

Most people in this hobby aren’t trying to help people out, they will screw you out of every single penny if they have the perception that you NEED a card. This is going to prevent most people from being able to achieve this feat.

Get back to reality, this promotion is simply another money-making scam concocted by corporate greed, masked as a sheep.

It is a brilliant scheme targeting the simple-minded. I hope most people can see through their “benevolence”.

They just increased the value of their superfractors by ten-fold, their way of 10xing their own profits.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

WAT?

The cost of obtaining all three copies has just skyrocketed past “a few thousand” total for 95% of the players. Less than 95% of the collectors here earn more than an attorney’s salary - your concept of how much a “true collector” is willing to spend is completely skewed.

Most people in this hobby aren’t trying to help people out, they will screw you out of every single penny if they have the perception that you NEED a card. This is going to prevent most people from being able to achieve this feat.

Get back to reality, this promotion is simply another money-making scam concocted by corporate greed, masked as a sheep.

It is a brilliant scheme targeting the simple-minded. I hope most people can see through their “benevolence”.

They just increased the value of their superfractors by ten-fold, their way of 10xing their own profits.

Everything you just said is wrong. Congrats on not having a clue about this hobby.

I guarantee that superfractor prices for common players will not change in any significant way because of this.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

This has to be the most stupid, contrived "theory" I have ever heard. Only you could take something like a company offering a reward for player supercollectors and twist it into something like that, logical fallacies and all.

Hey, best of luck to you trying to find any Reds superfractors at an affordable price.

Fanatics just 10x your competition, and the flippers will have a field day holding all your prospect cards at ransom.

$10,000 BIN/BO would be a great starting point for any prospect superfractors, and if the player even makes the majors, those blackmail demands will be even higher for their chrome and mlb logos.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Everything you just said is wrong. Congrats on not having a clue about this hobby.

I guarantee that superfractor prices for common players will not change in any significant way because of this.

Do you even have any clue how much common mlb logo cards go for?

I ask this because, you know, this is one of the cards you need to secure to get the gimmick card.

A few thousand for all three cards of most players? LOL.

You are so out of touch with reality, it baffles me, especially with your educational background.

[Crosby 87]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

It's only the super rich for super popular players. For those of us who don't collect the super popular, tracking down 1/1 rookies for our players is not only possible and fun, but not cost prohibitive for the average person. It is disingenuous to claim this is only for the super rich. 95% of the players this applies to can be obtained for a few thousand total.
when

We definitely have different definitions on what the average collector can afford or spend then

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Everything you just said is wrong. Congrats on not having a clue about this hobby.

I guarantee that superfractor prices for common players will not change in any significant way because of this.

Are you referring to common players like Andrew Abbott?

As I’ve said, good luck boss, whatever planet outside this solar system you live on!

Maybe you’ll be able to find his holy trinity cards in the dollar bins of your local shows? The rest of us on planet earth know better, even the dumbest ones.

Or is the true collector willing to pony up $32,000 for his bowman chrome superfractor auto? Chump change for true collectors, eh?

[auctionjmm]

Funny how some folks think these "degenerate, impulsive gamblers" in the card world will suddenly become patient, ransom-holding sharks who will shrewdly navigate the world of blackmail until they get the exact dollar amount they want for the superfractor they got in a $50 break, no matter how long it takes!

Keep on moving the goal posts. The stooges always do.

[Jaypers]

While I like the premise of this program, as it may very well encourage people to rip wax to seek these grails even more than before, in the end, I doubt this program is going to be as successful as Topps thinks it will be.

I predict the majority of collectors won't be willing to part with their grails, either because they don't need the money or will ask too much for the seeker of this reward card would be willing to pay. Mr. Kern is the 0.01%.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Funny how some folks think these "degenerate, impulsive gamblers" in the card world will suddenly become patient, ransom-holding sharks who will shrewdly navigate the world of blackmail until they get the exact dollar amount they want for the superfractor they got in a $50 break, no matter how long it takes!

Keep on moving the goal posts. The stooges always do.

Uh, pulling a superfractor auto in one $50 break, and that’s all they ever spent?

You guys are killing me today.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

While I like the premise of this program, as it may very well encourage people to rip wax to seek these grails even more than before, in the end, I doubt this program is going to be as successful as Topps thinks it will be.

I predict the majority of collectors won't be willing to part with their grails, either because they don't need the money or will ask too much for the seeker of this reward card would be willing to pay. Mr. Kern is the 0.01%.

Finally, some words that make sense from a long time hobby vet.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Uh, pulling a superfractor auto in one $50 break, and that’s all they ever spent?

You guys are killing me today.

Completely over your head.

A degenerate gambler, who is most likely down big and most likely in debt, is not going to suddenly find the patience to hold a grail card long enough to find the buyer who actually needs the card and then blackmail that buyer with the threat of walking away if they don't get their number. It's completely contradictory to the behavior that got them in this place to begin with.

Degenerate gamblers who hit a big card are so desperate for the cash that they often take screenshots of the breaker holding the card just to get it on eBay immediately. And even if they can wait long enough for it to come in, it's gonna up for 24 hour auction or whatever method gets them cash the quickest.

Not to mention there could be months or years between when each of the big 3 is pulled. Some may stay in sealed cases forever. Who is going to hold out that long? I don't think this is going to change card values in the way you think it is. And I don't think this is going to cause gamblers or flippers to tie money into something for a long period of time in the off chance they can blackmail someone who desperately needs the 3rd and final card. Each of these 1/1s is going to be sold and listed as they've always been and it will be business as usual until someone gets close enough. And if someone gets close enough, they will likely be very quiet about it and not advertise that THEY are the one who desperately needs lucky #3 to complete their trio.