***ALCS Thread***

[blackvodka]

I feel that Toronto should be a slight favorite. It will be anyone's game though. I don't even like trying to predict the outcome

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[ninjacookies]

This was expected.


Flip a coin.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Can anyone explain why we're still counting Cal's HRs like that's how it works? Is anyone saying Ohtani hit #60 last night? So weird.

It's because they are dumb. Just making new crap up as they go along to pump him up as being better than Judge. And Smoltz hates the Yankees anyway.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Rbradleigh

For the Jays fans & AL east fans that have seen the Jays several times, do they always hit dang near everything & dang near everything hard?

Yes they do. They pummeled the Yankees in the regular season and the post season because they don't strike out much and will hit a ton of foul balls until they get a good pitch to hit for a a hit.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Big Dumper with a rough night

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That's a lot of nights for him. They just focus on his homeruns to distract from all of those Ks.

[fulltritty]

This may go down as the only great series this post season.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

This may go down as the only great series this post season.

Is it though? What individual game was that great? Only one I can think of was Sea comeback in game 5.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

Is it though? What individual game was that great? Only one I can think of was Sea comeback in game 5.

If the Yankees - Red Sox series was more than 3 games, I might have said that. Most of the other series have been blowouts. This one has gone 7 games, the Toronto offense after being lethal in the ALDS and regular season went dormant in the first two games, and with both teams playing better at home, neither won the first four games at home. Toronto is also doing this with no Bo Bichette and a contributions from players that many would consider utility-type guys. The 7-8-9 hitters are fueling that team and none are stars.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

If the Yankees - Red Sox series was more than 3 games, I might have said that. Most of the other series have been blowouts. This one has gone 7 games, the Toronto offense after being lethal in the ALDS and regular season went dormant in the first two games, and with both teams playing better at home, neither won the first four games at home. Toronto is also doing this with no Bo Bichette and a contributions from players that many would consider utility-type guys. The 7-8-9 hitters are fueling that team and none are stars.

Game 5 of alds between sea and det is by far the best game.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by JRX

Is it though? What individual game was that great? Only one I can think of was Sea comeback in game 5.

Eh , at least its been back and forth. There's alot of drama/suspense. (Really before each game but it makes me want to tune in) Tonight can go either way Toronto will score 10 runs or Seattle will wake up.

And they are 2 long suffering franchises.

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[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

That's a lot of nights for him. They just focus on his homeruns to distract from all of those Ks.

This is the dumbest post I have seen here in a long time. Raleigh had the greatest season of all time for a catcher. He hit 60 home runs which is about a home run ever 2.2 games. He is clutch. And when people though he was going to regress he didn't. YDKB.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

This is the dumbest post I have seen here in a long time. Raleigh had the greatest season of all time for a catcher. He hit 60 home runs which is about a home run ever 2.2 games. He is clutch. And when people though he was going to regress he didn't. YDKB.

Its most HR ever, but not greatest season ever. In 97 Piazza hit 40HR and had a .362/.431/.638 line. He caught 19 more games than Cal did this season. That's the greatest overall offensive season by a catcher outside of Josh Gibson. Highest fwar was Posey in 2012.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by JRX

Its most HR ever, but not greatest season ever. In 97 Piazza hit 40HR and had a .362/.431/.638 line. He caught 19 more games than Cal did this season. That's the greatest overall offensive season by a catcher outside of Josh Gibson. Highest fwar was Posey in 2012.

Nobody remembers Piazza's 1997 season

People will remember Cals 2025 season especially if the mariners win today. And catching 19 more games really isn't a viable metric

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

This is the dumbest post I have seen here in a long time. Raleigh had the greatest season of all time for a catcher. He hit 60 home runs which is about a home run ever 2.2 games. He is clutch. And when people though he was going to regress he didn't. YDKB.

That is subject to opinion as many others have already discussed in other threads. He also had the 3rd most Ks in the AL including the platinum sombrero in August. Try not to forget that.

I'm sure the Mariners would have loved for him to be clutch last night instead of going 0-4 with 3 Ks, grounding into a double play the only time he made contact, and throwing the ball away to lead to another Blue Jays run.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Nobody remembers Piazza's 1997 season

People will remember Cals 2025 season especially if the mariners win today. And catching 19 more games really isn't a viable metric

If Cal regresses back to his normal 30 - 35 homeruns a year while hitting less than .250 again next year, no one will remember this season. Or they will remember it and question it as we do others who had similar season anomalies.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

If Cal regresses back to his normal 30 - 35 homeruns a year while hitting less than .250 again next year, no one will remember this season. Or they will remember it and question it as we do others who had similar season anomalies.

Sounds like you dismissing Cal to me

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Sounds like you dismissing Cal to me

You must be cnewby's twin.

I'm basing my opinion on his past performance. He was the first ever catcher to hit 60 homeruns. There have been better catchers that played MLB than him and they couldn't do it once much less keep the pace up multiple years. I don't see anything in him (like his poor batting average, low hit amount, and high Ks) that indicates to me, he can do this again in the future.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

You must be cnewby's twin.

I'm basing my opinion on his past performance. He was the first ever catcher to hit 60 homeruns. There have been better catchers that played MLB than him and they couldn't do it once much less keep the pace up multiple years. I don't see anything in him (like his poor batting average, low hit amount, and high Ks) that indicates to me, he can do this again in the future.

You just implied if he doesn't ever hit 60 homers again it's because he cheated, but you're not dismissing his performance? You can lie all you want, your words say plenty. Just admit it.

Never compare me to Chad, though. He's a troll who offers no analysis. I am not a troll and I offer plenty of analysis into my thoughts and opinions. Big difference! (I'm sure Chad will be here to troll this post soon!)

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

You just implied if he doesn't ever hit 60 homers again it's because he cheated, but you're not dismissing his performance? You can lie all you want, your words say plenty. Just admit it.

Never compare me to Chad, though. He's a troll who offers no analysis. I am not a troll and I offer plenty of analysis into my thoughts and opinions. Big difference! (I'm sure Chad will be here to troll this post soon!)

I said people will question why he was able to hit that many homeruns once and once only. People have done that before and will continue to do so for outlier performances like this. I'm just saying I see nothing to indicate he could do it again due to past performance and the older he gets with more milage as a catcher, I certainly don't see it happening.

And you are a troll because you claim the Mariners aren't your team; you're a Tigers fan, but every time someone says something negatively about Cal for MVP, you feel the need to jump in, with zero analysis (you used to supply some), just that people are dismissing Cal. I mean, I could see if a Tiger was actually competing for MVP, you'd have some skin in the game, but they aren't.

I'll give you a chance to give your opinion on if he never hits 50+ and goes back to his normal, what you think the reason would be for this year?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I said people will question why he was able to hit that many homeruns once and once only. People have done that before and will continue to do so for outlier performances like this. I'm just saying I see nothing to indicate he could do it again due to past performance and the older he gets with more milage as a catcher, I certainly don't see it happening.

And you are a troll because you claim the Mariners aren't your team; you're a Tigers fan, but every time someone says something negatively about Cal for MVP, you feel the need to jump in, with zero analysis (you used to supply some), just that people are dismissing Cal. I mean, I could see if a Tiger was actually competing for MVP, you'd have some skin in the game, but they aren't.

I'll give you a chance to give your opinion on if he never hits 50+ and goes back to his normal, what you think the reason would be for this year?

I have to be a Mariners or a Yankees fan to have thoughts on the MVP race? I'm literally only saying it because you just got done saying how you don't dismiss Raleigh, then you immediately dismiss his performance. You're right, no Tigers hitter in the MVP discussion, there is no Cy Young discussion because Skubal is gonna be a run away winner again (I also don't actually care about individual awards much anymore other than the banter, I'd rather put my energy into crying about not winning a World Series)

Do I think he hits 50 again? Probably not, 40 or more? Sure, why not? Especially if he gets enough games at DH to supplement his catching. He'll be 29 next year, there's no reason to think he's about to fall off a cliff, and he hit 34 last season. His career ISO is .258, he's got big power. Why did he hit so many? I'd venture to say the ball was juiced to a degree this year given the amount of high number home run outputs we saw. 4 guys over 50 homers, 3 more over 40, 33 total with 30 or more. Last year 2 over 50, 2 more over 40 and 23 with 30 or more.

Hopefully this post is good enough for you!!

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I have to be a Mariners or a Yankees fan to have thoughts on the MVP race? I'm literally only saying it because you just got done saying how you don't dismiss Raleigh, then you immediately dismiss his performance. You're right, no Tigers hitter in the MVP discussion, there is no Cy Young discussion because Skubal is gonna be a run away winner again (I also don't actually care about individual awards much anymore other than the banter, I'd rather put my energy into crying about not winning a World Series)

Do I think he hits 50 again? Probably not, 40 or more? Sure, why not? Especially if he gets enough games at DH to supplement his catching. He'll be 29 next year, there's no reason to think he's about to fall off a cliff, and he hit 34 last season. His career ISO is .258, he's got big power. Why did he hit so many? I'd venture to say the ball was juiced to a degree this year given the amount of high number home run outputs we saw. 4 guys over 50 homers, 3 more over 40, 33 total with 30 or more. Last year 2 over 50, 2 more over 40 and 23 with 30 or more.

Hopefully this post is good enough for you!!

I dismissed his future performance, not this year for the millionth time except for it being an outlier and probably not the norm for him. I also dismissed someone saying he was clutch and that this was the best catcher performance ever.

I tend to agree with you on the reason. I'm willing to bet his performance is more based on the ball being juiced and the introduction of the torpedo bat. I don't think Chisholm is a 30+ homerun guy either and that the torpedo bat helped him in that regard.

[boxbuster7]

if you are using 1 5 strikeout game in august as a metric for a great season I am done debating with you

[atk825]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

This may go down as the only great series this post season.

If Kerkering could throw it to the right base, this may have been different. That said, it was probably still the two best teams and the individual games were the most entertaining.

[boxbuster7]

Tigers Mariners was great. That 5th game was a classic.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

if you are using 1 5 strikeout game in august as a metric for a great season I am done debating with you

It was about how his entire season with the 3rd most Ks in the AL as grounds for not being the greatest season as a catcher, but sure just latch onto the platinum sombrero part in one game.