Will a possible MLB lockout in 2027 matter to you?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Raleigh504

Also need to get older owners out too, the issue is there are quite a few who bought the team for like $100M range and in the 1990s-early 2000s. The issue is those were just multi-millionaires who are only billionaires due to the value of the franchise vs. these newer owners.


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You're not going get rid of owners, but if the media money was more evenly distributed in conjunction with a cap and floor like the nfl you'll have more parity. They could also have some version of bird rites in mlb where you can sign guys you drafted to higher amounts and not have it count vs the cap or something.

[awz50]

Not fan of it and will be sad if games are missed

[Raleigh504]

Originally Posted by JRX

You're not going get rid of owners, but if the media money was more evenly distributed in conjunction with a cap and floor like the nfl you'll have more parity. They could also have some version of bird rites in mlb where you can sign guys you drafted to higher amounts and not have it count vs the cap or something.

Agreed, maybe with years and not $ amount. I do hate the NBA has structured pay. Also would immediately start the clock on drafted players and it will depend on where they are drafted for the years (high school, vs. college and even the year in college too).

[ThatGuyPal]

Nope Covid was worse even leagues playing felt like it had been cancelled.

[ottobord]

They should be negotiating now behind the scenes and spare us of the drama to come. When owners and labor leaders start running to the mics just stick a pitchfork through my brain.

[itsbaytime]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

There needs to be both a salary cap and a salary floor for either to really be effective. Neither is needed more than the other. Both are necessary equally.

And showing that the big market teams don't win all the time and that some small market teams do well isn't proof that a salary cap isn't needed to fix the economic disparity in the league. It's just an indictment of the big market teams' ability to do well with the advantages they have (and a little about the random nature of baseball). Give that same Brewers front office the resources of the Yankees and you wouldn't see postseason flameouts.

This. Whatever team ends up winning, you can not say the teams that spend the most don't have a huge advantage going into the season. How many of those years did the Yankees and Dodgers make the playoffs? The teams that spend the most have a luxury that smaller payroll teams don't have. I do think we need a salary floor as well. In the NBA and NFL teams spend very similar amounts all the way around because they, basically, share a lot of the money. The MLB needs to figure out a way to make this happen. Small market teams can not continue to just be a feeder system for the big market teams. I know some owners are cheap, but the system is way beyond broken when the Dodgers are spending 8x of the smallest team. Are they proud of themselves for winning it all when they have such a huge payroll? Congrats.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by itsbaytime

This. Whatever team ends up winning, you can not say the teams that spend the most don't have a huge advantage going into the season. How many of those years did the Yankees and Dodgers make the playoffs? The teams that spend the most have a luxury that smaller payroll teams don't have. I do think we need a salary floor as well. In the NBA and NFL teams spend very similar amounts all the way around because they, basically, share a lot of the money. The MLB needs to figure out a way to make this happen. Small market teams can not continue to just be a feeder system for the big market teams. I know some owners are cheap, but the system is way beyond broken when the Dodgers are spending 8x of the smallest team. Are they proud of themselves for winning it all when they have such a huge payroll? Congrats.

You're actually really close with the 8x. i think it ended up just under 7x, but Dodgers total tax bill is about 500M more than Marlins. Remove the deferrals and they're probably at round 700M which would get you to 8x lol.

[BabaORiley]

I understand the positions of all involved. I also think taking another season away from Sho, Judge, Soto, Acuna, Skenes, et al. would be a small tragedy. I'd probably pour my attention into the NPB season if there is a prolonged MLB outage.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

But is your love of the game unconditional? Are you fine with the large competitive imbalance in the game between the big market teams and the smaller market teams? I think a lot of fans want to see changes to the economics of the game and are willing to sacrifice games to do it.

It seems like now is the time to push for big changes to the economics of the game. And now is the time for fans to be understanding about what needs to be done.

I'm a capitalist. Competitive imbalance is the nature of the world. I don't think a lot of people outside of (and inside of) these markets want to see the Dbacks play the Rays in the World Series. And it's not always a big market/small market issue. Some owners will do anything to win, and some would just rather milk their cash cow. You can't legislate that. They probably shouldn't put teams in cities that can't/won't compete.

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

They are literally their own worst enemies!


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[finfangfan]

Yeah… I do think this could potentially tank the sport for a couple years. It took Ripken 2131 and McGwire/Sosa to bring back fans after the 1994 debacle.

The other issue on the horizon is what Banana Ball changes will they end up agreeing to in order to make the game more “exciting” after the lockout ends. We will probably end up getting a golden batter rule.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

I understand the positions of all involved. I also think taking another season away from Sho, Judge, Soto, Acuna, Skenes, et al. would be a small tragedy. I'd probably pour my attention into the NPB season if there is a prolonged MLB outage.

I think you're the one who turned me on to Murakami...

[Tarvan]

Would they still have minor league baseball?
If yes I'd live
If no I'd die.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by Tarvan

Would they still have minor league baseball?
If yes I'd live
If no I'd die.

Here is the Google AI answer for the 1994 lockout. Not sure if things changed 30 years later…

“Yes, minor league baseball continued to play during the 1994 MLB lockout. The strike did not affect the minor leagues because it started after their season had ended, and it did not involve the players' union in the same way that the MLB Players Association was involved. Minor league games were not canceled, and minor leaguers were not impacted by the MLB work stoppage.
Minor League Baseball was not affected by the 1994 MLB lockout: The strike began on August 11, 1994, which was after the regular minor league season had concluded for most teams.
No MLB replacement players: The strike did not lead to the cancellation of any minor league games or the need for MLB replacement players in the minors.
Minor leaguers were not on strike: The MLB Players Association did not have jurisdiction over minor league players, so the strike had no impact on their playing status. ”

[Tarvan]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Here is the Google AI answer for the 1994 lockout. Not sure if things changed 30 years later…

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The reason I wonder if it has changed is MILB is now unionized. Not sure if that would make a difference..

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I'm a capitalist. Competitive imbalance is the nature of the world. I don't think a lot of people outside of (and inside of) these markets want to see the Dbacks play the Rays in the World Series. And it's not always a big market/small market issue. Some owners will do anything to win, and some would just rather milk their cash cow. You can't legislate that. They probably shouldn't put teams in cities that can't/won't compete.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a natural competitive imbalance. I think fans generally understand that big market teams have a financial advantage over smaller market teams and that advantage should afford them the ability to spend more on their payroll. The problem is the degree of the financial imbalance -- it's stark.

Capitalism needs regulation to ensure the common good -- we don't want a dystopian society where wealth is concentrated within a small percentage of the population and business is concentrated within a small number of businesses. We want equality of opportunity. We want healthy competition. Otherwise, why even try?

I think MLB needs both a hard cap and floor. I think big market teams like the Dodgers need to be prevented from spending as much on their Competitive Balance Tax as the Brewers do on payroll. On the flip side, I think teams like the A's and Pirates need to spend a lot more on their payrolls so their fans can believe they have a chance to compete with bigger market teams. That will require more revenue sharing, but it will also require a payroll floor.

The competitive balance in MLB doesn't need to be flat, but it needs to be more balanced than it is. We don't need socialism, but we need proper regulation to ensure the common good of the sport -- the fans who support the league deserve it.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JRX

If it doesn't result in floor, cap, shared tv revenue, and international draft its a waste of time. Oh and more games on network tv, nobody watches scripted shows anymore.

Yup -- totally agree. The league needs a complete restructuring -- the collapse of the RSN model necessitates it.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Nope Covid was worse even leagues playing felt like it had been cancelled.

Hmm -- this is a good point; fans weren't allowed to attend games.

In many ways it was a lost season.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ottobord

They should be negotiating now behind the scenes and spare us of the drama to come. When owners and labor leaders start running to the mics just stick a pitchfork through my brain.

I think the only way a deal will get done is with a lockout or strike, otherwise, there will be no urgency to get a deal done.

Neither the owners or players are going to have the sympathy of the fans, so it's best that they avoid the turning to the media.

[brewtown107]

In 2021 people were crying their eyes out about a n impending long work stoppage, and although there was an offseason lockout, zero regular season games were missed. Here we go again.

This far in advance, both sides are posturing, and they will do that for a long while to come. But an agreement will get done and most likely zero regular season games will be missed. There's too much money to be made on all sides for them to let it get into the season.

[DetroitTN]

As long as the minor leagues are still playing, I won't be concerned. A salary cap of some kind needs to happen

[Tastybrisket10]

I was talking about this with a friend the other day. Would MLB play a full season with replacement players?

[ottobord]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I think the only way a deal will get done is with a lockout or strike, otherwise, there will be no urgency to get a deal done.

Neither the owners or players are going to have the sympathy of the fans, so it's best that they avoid the turning to the media.

You're right. Most likely scenario is we miss a week of Spring Training.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ottobord

You're right. Most likely scenario is we miss a week of Spring Training.

Most likely scenario is we miss the whole season. The owners want a cap like the other sports. I don't see the small market owners taking less than that. The players are going to fight hard against it.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by ottobord

You're right. Most likely scenario is we miss a week of Spring Training.

For how much drama there is for this lockout in particular I think this is brewing up to be a much longer one. Hope I am wrong.