Has your PSA 10 Gem rate for modern bulk submissions changed dramatically this year?

[larry25]

Back to a 0% gem rate on several submissions that finished overnight. Lots of 8s and 6s, too, woo-hoo!

This is borderline fraud, IMHO. These submissions are from the same exact cases of product I have been working through for almost 2 years.

Cases of Hoops and Fleer sealed sets and vending and wax cases. I'm not new to this. I've been submitting this type of stuff for years, but I have been submitting this EXACT stuff from these same cases from a storage find since last January, almost 2 full years.

Each submission has been almost the same, expect, of course, for the results...

THREE orders with not one PSA 10 in them popped this morning. Last year, the same exact cards were often getting over 50% gem rates.

One of my orders this morning had a lots of 8s and 6s. No 7s LOL. Just 9s, 8s, and 6s.

What the serious heck is going on at PSA? They have lost their marbles.

[goodole13]

Not that I matter, but I will no longer grade with PSA. I've sent a few orders this year, and it just feels so inconsistent.
I sent some cards to BGS last week, and will continue to go through BGS for grading. At least with BGS you get subgrades so you can see why a card graded what it did.

There's just no consistency and no clarity with PSA.

I'm not saying BGS is better or worse, but at least I can see the subgrades.

[ogresnetttt]

Originally Posted by larry25

THREE orders with not one PSA 10 in them popped this morning. Last year, the same exact cards were often getting over 50% gem rates.

Are the official PSA scans up yet? I'm wondering how the corners look. I've heard some customers are complaining about damaged corners on cards, potentially tied with PSA's use of robots to automate their process.

[yoyosh]

Originally Posted by goodole13

Not that I matter, but I will no longer grade with PSA. I've sent a few orders this year, and it just feels so inconsistent.
I sent some cards to BGS last week, and will continue to go through BGS for grading. At least with BGS you get subgrades so you can see why a card graded what it did.

There's just no consistency and no clarity with PSA

I'm not saying BGS is better or worse, but at least I can see the subgrades.

I graded about 120 cards w PSA in 2024, and it looks like I'll submit less than 50 this year. I know Collector's Universe doesn't care about small time collectors like me, but the inconsistencies have really impacted how I #hobby.

[Boostedwrx]

I have a huge stack of cards I've been waiting to submit, hoping PSA goes back to how they graded a year ago or so. Not worth it IMO

[prznexhibit]

Originally Posted by larry25

Back to a 0% gem rate on several submissions that finished overnight. Lots of 8s and 6s, too, woo-hoo!

This is borderline fraud, IMHO. These submissions are from the same exact cases of product I have been working through for almost 2 years.

Cases of Hoops and Fleer sealed sets and vending and wax cases. I'm not new to this. I've been submitting this type of stuff for years, but I have been submitting this EXACT stuff from these same cases from a storage find since last January, almost 2 full years.

Each submission has been almost the same, expect, of course, for the results...

THREE orders with not one PSA 10 in them popped this morning. Last year, the same exact cards were often getting over 50% gem rates.

One of my orders this morning had a lots of 8s and 6s. No 7s LOL. Just 9s, 8s, and 6s.

What the serious heck is going on at PSA? They have lost their marbles.

After being stuck in QA checks for over 2 weeks, I just got my grades on a value bulk order. A couple 2022-23 cards, the rest all 2023-24 and 2024-25. I was expecting at least 5 or 6 gems. Well it came back with 0 and an average grade of 7.5. This is a new low. I’ve submitted over 400 cards with PSA over the last year and I’ve never seen anything like this.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by prznexhibit

After being stuck in QA checks for over 2 weeks, I just got my grades on a value bulk order. A couple 2022-23 cards, the rest all 2023-24 and 2024-25. I was expecting at least 5 or 6 gems. Well it came back with 0 and an average grade of 7.5. This is a new low. I’ve submitted over 400 cards with PSA over the last year and I’ve never seen anything like this.

Sorry man! Something is terribly off, and I wish there was more of an outcry. I'm still getting killed.

[ksemmel]

QA2 for 16 days

All ultra modern

7 - 10s
16 - 9s
4 - 8s
1 - 7

I’ve been grading with BGS and PSA for 11 years, this year I’ve received four 7s. That’s 4 more than I’ve ever received before. I’ve NEVER had a sub get anywhere close to a 50% gem rate let alone 25%.

And one of the 10s I penciled in as an 8/9 due to a scratch on the front, which apparently went unnoticed.

There is no way at this point that it’s not a concerted effort to limit the number of gems being given out. Unfortuantly though, PSA offers 0 transparency about really anything so we are all stuck. I’m mainly a PSA guy and will continue to be strictly due to resale value, but I will definitely be sending stuff out to SGC over the next few months to see true ROI. If PSA is just arbitrarily giving out numbers, it may make sense to go to a new grading company that’s faster and better organized.

If PSA is starting everyone with a 9 and working up or down from there, I’d rather wait 1 month with SGC than 4 months to get random grades from PSA.

[evileddie]

I got 11 10's out of my latest 37 card Value Bulk order.

[88horsepower]

The answer is simple. Stop grading with PSA. Vote with your wallet.

[Oriole Way]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

QA2 for 16 days

All ultra modern

7 - 10s
16 - 9s
4 - 8s
1 - 7

I’ve been grading with BGS and PSA for 11 years, this year I’ve received four 7s. That’s 4 more than I’ve ever received before. I’ve NEVER had a sub get anywhere close to a 50% gem rate let alone 25%.

And one of the 10s I penciled in as an 8/9 due to a scratch on the front, which apparently went unnoticed.

There is no way at this point that it’s not a concerted effort to limit the number of gems being given out. Unfortuantly though, PSA offers 0 transparency about really anything so we are all stuck. I’m mainly a PSA guy and will continue to be strictly due to resale value, but I will definitely be sending stuff out to SGC over the next few months to see true ROI. If PSA is just arbitrarily giving out numbers, it may make sense to go to a new grading company that’s faster and better organized.

If PSA is starting everyone with a 9 and working up or down from there, I’d rather wait 1 month with SGC than 4 months to get random grades from PSA.

Go with CGC - SGC is a quickly dying brand. Especially for modern cards.

CGC has been grading 4 TIMES the volume of SGC and Beckett COMBINED for the past month or so. Just yesterday (October 29th) according to GemRate, CGC graded 22.9k cards while SGC graded 1.9k cards.

CGC is turning orders around extremely quickly again after they fell behind a bit with their grading special. Either way, these numbers will eventually manifest with higher resale values over time. That increase in resale value will be gradual, but CGC is already the clear #2 grader. I've already seen people at card shows start to notice that CGC slabs look good, and that CGC grades more consistently than PSA does.

Collectors bought SGC to essentially kill SGC (while appropriating human resources and grading facilities over to PSA), and Collectors succeeded in doing that.

In my opinion, people grading with SGC are throwing away their money if the goal is resale value for anything modern, while also moving away from PSA and their poor customer service and terrible grading consistency.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Oriole Way

Go with CGC - SGC is a quickly dying brand. Especially for modern cards.

CGC has been grading 4 TIMES the volume of SGC and Beckett COMBINED for the past month or so. Just yesterday (October 29th) according to GemRate, CGC graded 22.9k cards while SGC graded 1.9k cards.

CGC is turning orders around extremely quickly again after they fell behind a bit with their grading special. Either way, these numbers will eventually manifest with higher resale values over time. That increase in resale value will be gradual, but CGC is already the clear #2 grader. I've already seen people at card shows start to notice that CGC slabs look good, and that CGC grades more consistently than PSA does.

Collectors bought SGC to essentially kill SGC (while appropriating human resources and grading facilities over to PSA), and Collectors succeeded in doing that.

In my opinion, people grading with SGC are throwing away their money if the goal is resale value for anything modern, while also moving away from PSA and their poor customer service and terrible grading consistency.

I agree with all of this. I’ll add, their acquisition of JSA also gives them the most reputable authenticator in the industry. I’ll definitely be using them almost exclusively going forward.

[88horsepower]

It's fitting that my final PSA order was an absolute disaster. I swear, they have zero clue what they are doing anymore.

23 cards total
4 PSA 10s
6 PSA 9s
12 PSA 8s
1 PSA 6

I used to get such great Gem rates and this is easily one of the very worst orders I have ever had, and all of the cards were early 90s. I'll never get another membership with PSA ever again as it is, but this just nails the point home. The days of getting 50-70% Gem rates are long gone. I will be lucky if I make back what it cost to get the cards graded.

[SLGSports]

Just curious... are folks seeing massive drop in grades on TCG submissions as well?

If yes, then PSA has a procedural issue.

If no, then PSA is intentionally sticking it to sports cards submitters (likely to slow down submissions).

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by SLGSports

Just curious... are folks seeing massive drop in grades on TCG submissions as well?

If yes, then PSA has a procedural issue.

If no, then PSA is intentionally sticking it to sports cards submitters (likely to slow down submissions).

My last few subs have been pretty good, ultra modern sports and tcg

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by goodole13

Not that I matter, but I will no longer grade with PSA. I've sent a few orders this year, and it just feels so inconsistent.
I sent some cards to BGS last week, and will continue to go through BGS for grading. At least with BGS you get subgrades so you can see why a card graded what it did.

There's just no consistency and no clarity with PSA.

I'm not saying BGS is better or worse, but at least I can see the subgrades.

This is the only way that PSA will change, but because they dominate the market and command the biggest premium IF you get the 10 many will keep chasing. I have sent zero of my vintage pokemon to them since my 0% gem rate from an exact batch of non/played card ms I got a 60% gem rate on either 37 10’s

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

The answer is simple. Stop grading with PSA. Vote with your wallet.

This but the vast majority will not. I am sending more cards to bgs and CGC.

[Blazed]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

It's fitting that my final PSA order was an absolute disaster. I swear, they have zero clue what they are doing anymore.

23 cards total
4 PSA 10s
6 PSA 9s
12 PSA 8s
1 PSA 6

I used to get such great Gem rates and this is easily one of the very worst orders I have ever had, and all of the cards were early 90s. I'll never get another membership with PSA ever again as it is, but this just nails the point home. The days of getting 50-70% Gem rates are long gone. I will be lucky if I make back what it cost to get the cards graded.

Nothing personal against you, but another flipper exiting the "grade and flip" game is a plus for the hobby

It’s cutting out the opportunists and leaving room for actual collectors

As stated before, people will turn a blind eye to the shenanigans as long as they're making money, but as soon as it hits their bottom line and the profits aren't there, here we are

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by Blazed

Nothing personal against you, but another flipper exiting the "grade and flip" game is a plus for the hobby

It’s cutting out the opportunists and leaving room for actual collectors

As stated before, people will turn a blind eye to the shenanigans as long as they're making money, but as soon as it hits their bottom line and the profits aren't there, here we are

You have me all wrong. I’m a collector, not a flipper. But about two months ago, after this order was already in, I decided to stop collecting and sell my personal collection of PSA slabs. The only reason I’m going to try to get as much as I can back from the costs of grading is because I no longer have any personal attachment to anything graded by PSA.


PSA did something really dirty to the true collectors who have been loyal to their brand. I’ll never forgive them for it.

[MavsRChamps]

Have a Q and don't want to start a new thread - I have a 2001 Refractor card that is in PERFECT condition besides 65-35 (arguable 70-30) left/right centering on front and top/bottom on back is similar. My Q is - Is it possible for this card to get a PSA 9? Or will it automatically get dinged to an 8?

[swerve]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

Have a Q and don't want to start a new thread - I have a 2001 Refractor card that is in PERFECT condition besides 65-35 (arguable 70-30) left/right centering on front and top/bottom on back is similar. My Q is - Is it possible for this card to get a PSA 9? Or will it automatically get dinged to an 8?

These days, I'd expect a 7 or 8.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

Have a Q and don't want to start a new thread - I have a 2001 Refractor card that is in PERFECT condition besides 65-35 (arguable 70-30) left/right centering on front and top/bottom on back is similar. My Q is - Is it possible for this card to get a PSA 9? Or will it automatically get dinged to an 8?

I highly doubt that would get a 9. They’re harder on card backs. The issues on both sides of the card, not to mention whatever other BS they likely will knock the card for, makes that a no go for me. Slab it if you want to, but I don’t imagine that would get a 9.

[MavsRChamps]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

I highly doubt that would get a 9. They’re harder on card backs. The issues on both sides of the card, not to mention whatever other BS they likely will knock the card for, makes that a no go for me. Slab it if you want to, but I don’t imagine that would get a 9.

Thanks. I'll pass on grading, it's a Todd Heap 2001 Gold Refractor RC /99 btw. Going to attempt to sell raw.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

Have a Q and don't want to start a new thread - I have a 2001 Refractor card that is in PERFECT condition besides 65-35 (arguable 70-30) left/right centering on front and top/bottom on back is similar. My Q is - Is it possible for this card to get a PSA 9? Or will it automatically get dinged to an 8?

It's a 7.

[Cards and 401K]

Have not graded with PSA in 3 years they hired DEI and illegals IMO to grade…..JK!!!


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