WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV - Page 2013

JustinVerlander07 · 11-19-2025, 06:38 AM

Longterm storytelling.....

Cena's heel promo, "Hi Nic Nemeth! Hi Matt Cardona!"

Wonder why they were in the tourney? They were available for WWE to use and they both have connections with Cena who probably pushed for it.

It's not that serious or deep.

BlowoutBuzz · 11-19-2025, 10:24 AM

The WWE year started off strong and peaked with Cena turn and then plummeted like perhaps never before on the men's side.

Mandy1320 · 11-19-2025, 02:34 PM

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The WWE year started off strong and peaked with Cena turn and then plummeted like perhaps never before on the men's side.

In a weird way, I think you could blame it on Cena's retirement tour. Any storyline you can come up with would be immediately overshadowed by Cena.

Even before Seth's real injury, there were discussions on this very board talking about how dull "The Vision" was. I've said it before, but the mens tag-team division is on life support. Cody's appeal as the face of the company is dwindling and fast. BUT you forget all of that when Cena's theme hits to start the show.

no10pin · 11-19-2025, 03:50 PM

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In a weird way, I think you could blame it on Cena's retirement tour. Any storyline you can come up with would be immediately overshadowed by Cena.

Even before Seth's real injury, there were discussions on this very board talking about how dull "The Vision" was. I've said it before, but the mens tag-team division is on life support. Cody's appeal as the face of the company is dwindling and fast. BUT you forget all of that when Cena's theme hits to start the show.

Feels like it's mainly because of the Rock interjecting himself into the Cody/Cena storyline and then almost immediately backing out after the wheels were in motion.

He could have been doing the Rock's bidding as a heel, and then over the course of the remaining months he slowly starts seeing Rock for what he was. Then he eventually turns on him leading up to his final match against the Rock in December.

Instead we got a heel turn that made no sense and then a random face turn that made less sense.

bjho852 · 11-19-2025, 04:22 PM

I really would love to know why the Rock never showed up again after turning Cena heel. That heel run started well but fizzled since then. Would have more legs and last a little longer if Rock showed up more.

mtr · 11-19-2025, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

Feels like it's mainly because of the Rock interjecting himself into the Cody/Cena storyline and then almost immediately backing out after the wheels were in motion.

He could have been doing the Rock's bidding as a heel, and then over the course of the remaining months he slowly starts seeing Rock for what he was. Then he eventually turns on him leading up to his final match against the Rock in December.

Instead we got a heel turn that made no sense and then a random face turn that made less sense.

Roman being part-time really hurts the storytelling as well. Like why should I get invested in anything that he's doing when he's just going to disappear for weeks or months?

Cracktoast · 11-20-2025, 06:15 AM

For all the complaints about Roman being part time now I think people forget during the pandemic years that dude carried the company on his back. He deserves every penny and every day off he gets with his new contract. If you want to blame anybody blame HHH for not having groomed the next big megastar to take his place.

mtr · 11-20-2025, 11:21 AM

I don't blame Roman and I do agree that it's the creative team that's at fault. They're more interested in creating viral moments than in telling cohesive stories.

Jaypers · 11-21-2025, 07:58 PM

Sheamus has a shoulder injury and is out of the tournament.

Last chance, Trips. Put Hendry in.

Jaypers · 11-21-2025, 10:01 PM

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Thinking outside the box here, but....any chance Becky and AJ become the final two team members in War Games?

Welp. I have my moments.

Cracktoast · 11-22-2025, 06:13 AM

Reed/Carmelo match was fantastic until all the stupid shenanigans at the end.

Jaypers · 11-22-2025, 08:57 AM

A reminder - they've already taped next Friday's Thanksgiving ep, so try and avoid reading the spoilers if you can.

mossoholic · 11-22-2025, 02:50 PM

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A reminder - they've already taped next Friday's Thanksgiving ep, so try and avoid reading the spoilers if you can.

What a stunner that the Sheamus replacement is a nice big wet fart. Just like this entire crappy tournament. Considering the stakes and the participants I can't think of a worse tournament I've seen in the 30 years I've been watching wrestling.

bjho852 · 11-22-2025, 07:10 PM

Undertaker debuted at WWF/E 35 years ago today.

NickyCards · 11-22-2025, 10:56 PM

I was happy to attend Cena’s final Monday Night Raw. One of the best shows I’ve seen live. Got to see Cena, Rey, Brock, Cody, Roman, etc.

Cracktoast · 11-23-2025, 07:42 AM

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A reminder - they've already taped next Friday's Thanksgiving ep, so try and avoid reading the spoilers if you can.

I read the spoilers and suggest that everyone else do so as well and save themselves the anguish. It could quite possibly be the worst go home show in recent history. Nothing happens that expands either Wargames match except who wins team advantage for the Women. Everything else was a bunch of fluff.

packman80 · 11-23-2025, 08:25 PM

Bret Hart sure seems to hate the business and everyone in the business. All he does now is say how wrestling today sucks and how everyone he ever worked with sucked.

Seems like him and HBK trying to bury the hatchet a few years back was BS and Bret sure still seems to hate the guy.

https://x.com/Vick_8122/status/1992667088704450989

JustinVerlander07 · 11-23-2025, 08:39 PM

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Bret Hart sure seems to hate the business and everyone in the business. All he does now is say how wrestling today sucks and how everyone he ever worked with sucked.

Seems like him and HBK trying to bury the hatchet a few years back was BS and Bret sure still seems to hate the guy.

https://x.com/Vick_8122/status/1992667088704450989

It's wild just how much Bret seemingly hates life and how miserable he is all the time. It's not even if you believe the things he says to be true or not, but how often he just goes out of his way to be negative and spiteful towards just about anyone.

jmarascojr · 11-24-2025, 08:13 AM

Bret needs that paycheck and still needs to stay relevant for his own well being.
It is the same with Flair and to an extent Hogan, they NEED the attention...

I can understand him being the way he is due to Owen's death and how it happened, but the stuff with Goldberg and HBK is just get over it already dude...

Now he's saying HBK and Vince were lovers, come on man...

CardCollector19 · 11-24-2025, 09:05 PM

What in the Vince McMahon 90’s BS did we just witness in that Dom promo?

JustinVerlander07 · 11-24-2025, 09:10 PM

Finish for Carmelo/Gunther was so bad. Hayes hits that DDT outside at 7 on a 10 count, Gunther gets super Cena strength at 9 to get up out of no where to get in the ring, then ends the match a minute later.

Gunther sucks.

bjho852 · 11-24-2025, 09:51 PM

Is Penta legitimately injured?

JustinVerlander07 · 11-24-2025, 09:54 PM

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Is Penta legitimately injured?

Has to be, can't imagine WWE was planning on heel Solo vs heel Gunther.

daverat · 11-24-2025, 09:58 PM

Yeet with baby

Jaypers · 11-24-2025, 10:35 PM

Look out everyone, it's Botch Lesnar!

I think this tops splitting his jeans.

11-19-2025, 06:38 AM	#50301
JustinVerlander07 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 17,291 gladdyontherise gladdyontherise	Longterm storytelling..... Cena's heel promo, "Hi Nic Nemeth! Hi Matt Cardona!" Wonder why they were in the tourney? They were available for WWE to use and they both have connections with Cena who probably pushed for it. It's not that serious or deep. __________________ Collecting Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers, Michigan State Spartans, Miz, Jey Uso, Kelani Jordan, Macho Man, WWE "Cavs in 7. Write it down"

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11-19-2025, 04:22 PM	#50305
bjho852 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,170	I really would love to know why the Rock never showed up again after turning Cena heel. That heel run started well but fizzled since then. Would have more legs and last a little longer if Rock showed up more. __________________ Instagram (IG): bjho852

11-21-2025, 07:58 PM	#50309
Jaypers Bowman Scout Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: IL Posts: 51,625 cardboardconglomerate	Sheamus has a shoulder injury and is out of the tournament. Last chance, Trips. Put Hendry in. __________________ Impervious to baiting.

11-22-2025, 08:57 AM	#50312
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11-20-2025, 06:15 AM	#50307
Cracktoast Member Join Date: May 2024 Posts: 1,748	For all the complaints about Roman being part time now I think people forget during the pandemic years that dude carried the company on his back. He deserves every penny and every day off he gets with his new contract. If you want to blame anybody blame HHH for not having groomed the next big megastar to take his place.

11-20-2025, 11:21 AM	#50308
mtr Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 276	I don't blame Roman and I do agree that it's the creative team that's at fault. They're more interested in creating viral moments than in telling cohesive stories.

11-22-2025, 06:13 AM	#50311
Cracktoast Member Join Date: May 2024 Posts: 1,748	Reed/Carmelo match was fantastic until all the stupid shenanigans at the end.

11-22-2025, 07:10 PM	#50314
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NickyCards Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 775	I was happy to attend Cena’s final Monday Night Raw. One of the best shows I’ve seen live. Got to see Cena, Rey, Brock, Cody, Roman, etc.

11-23-2025, 08:25 PM	#50317
packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 17,140	Bret Hart sure seems to hate the business and everyone in the business. All he does now is say how wrestling today sucks and how everyone he ever worked with sucked. Seems like him and HBK trying to bury the hatchet a few years back was BS and Bret sure still seems to hate the guy. https://x.com/Vick_8122/status/1992667088704450989

11-24-2025, 08:13 AM	#50319
jmarascojr Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 4,433 shooterjoe13	Bret needs that paycheck and still needs to stay relevant for his own well being. It is the same with Flair and to an extent Hogan, they NEED the attention... I can understand him being the way he is due to Owen's death and how it happened, but the stuff with Goldberg and HBK is just get over it already dude... Now he's saying HBK and Vince were lovers, come on man... __________________ Always looking to trade, https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVYMy7F I PC Luke Harper/Brodie Lee

11-24-2025, 09:05 PM	#50320
CardCollector19 Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 277	What in the Vince McMahon 90’s BS did we just witness in that Dom promo?

11-24-2025, 09:10 PM	#50321
JustinVerlander07 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 17,291 gladdyontherise gladdyontherise	Finish for Carmelo/Gunther was so bad. Hayes hits that DDT outside at 7 on a 10 count, Gunther gets super Cena strength at 9 to get up out of no where to get in the ring, then ends the match a minute later. Gunther sucks. __________________ Collecting Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers, Michigan State Spartans, Miz, Jey Uso, Kelani Jordan, Macho Man, WWE "Cavs in 7. Write it down"

11-24-2025, 09:51 PM	#50322
bjho852 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,170	Is Penta legitimately injured? __________________ Instagram (IG): bjho852

11-24-2025, 09:58 PM	#50324
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11-24-2025, 10:35 PM	#50325
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