AEW Wrestling Discussion Thread

[duwal]

Originally Posted by Campbelljh3

Good lord, he attends another event and that’s nail in coffin for me and aew, it has been pathetic at best anymore! Only upside is development of wrestlers who can possibly get signed by WWE some day.

really? because he attends a live event? if someone finds him in the stands at a WWE event will you be done with wrestling altogether? that is like the Redskins fans over the weekend saying they'd stop watching/supporting Washington football if Trump was shown on camera

[DrZman]

Originally Posted by duwal

really? because he attends a live event? if someone finds him in the stands at a WWE event will you be done with wrestling altogether? that is like the Redskins fans over the weekend saying they'd stop watching/supporting Washington football if Trump was shown on camera

An event 4 years ago too mind you lol. It always amazes me people that post like this are fully grown adults.

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by Campbelljh3

Good lord, he attends another event and that’s nail in coffin for me and aew, it has been pathetic at best anymore! Only upside is development of wrestlers who can possibly get signed by WWE some day.

you are such a loser because it upsets you he went to a wrestling show over 4 years ago.



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[no10pin]

Originally Posted by Campbelljh3

Good lord, he attends another event and that’s nail in coffin for me and aew, it has been pathetic at best anymore! Only upside is development of wrestlers who can possibly get signed by WWE some day.

I'm trying to follow along here, but I'm struggling.

If the newly elected mayor of NY buys another AEW ticket 4 years after the last one he bought, you will.....blame AEW for.....something?

This is one of the weirdest complaints I've seen on this site, and there is a LOT of competition.

[Cracktoast]

Still processing the complete and utter garbage I just spentt the last 2 1/2 hrs of my life watching. That wasn't wrestling or entertainment that was pure stupidity. So much so that Flair said screw it and didn't even bother to show up.

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Still processing the complete and utter garbage I just spentt the last 2 1/2 hrs of my life watching. That wasn't wrestling or entertainment that was pure stupidity. So much so that Flair said screw it and didn't even bother to show up.

Then seriously stop watching and stay out of this thread. It was an entertaining 2.5 hours of hardcore wrestling. The women had the match of the night.

Also Flair was out there before the show started from what I heard. Probably for the best haha.

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[mossoholic]

You know why the majority of people watching this show liked it? Because the vast majority of people watching AEW over the first several years with a brain and any taste have stopped watching on tv and going to shows. This is what these people want. They are doing absolutely nothing to draw in new fans or bring back the old ones. Just cater to the niche of the niche.

They couldn't give away tickets for arguably their biggest US tv show of the year. A few years ago they would have had multiples of the attendance they had in that building tonight.

Unless you're someone that watches wrestling to an insane degree, like I do, you have probably stopped watching AEW. Why else are they at their all time lowest in every metric? Yes that includes match quality as well to everyone but Dave Meltzer and minuscule amount of the overall wrestling community that post about how "great" everything AEW has been this year.

The women's match in particular was terrible. At least down the stretch the men's was ok. Of course the ending sucked. Mox with the same he thinks its a great build up tap out he did with Hangman. Literally they were both exactly the same. Horrible fake acting making it obvious he's going to tap when he is so dumb he thinks it's the opposite. A guy they haven't done a thing with in the 3 1/2 years in the company gets the tapout win lol.

Why the hell did these matches need to be an eternity? Im not a fan of most WarGames type matches to begin with. Everything before everyone is in the cage is so damn boring almost all the time. How many entrants that were supposed to be 2 minutes were 6-7 minutes between the 2 matches? I think it was at least 5. Basically everyone with a commercial break. Jeez I get like the Rumble isn't exact timing but you really need to make a match that's going to be over 30 minutes that match freaking longer? Having many ring entrant intervals being literally 3+ times the length they were supposed to be is a joke.

On a side note, someone needs to tell Hangman Page the Men's world championship bs he does is stupid as f. Here's a thought. How hard would it be if it's an issue just stop calling the women's the women's and the men's the men's. Even the brain dead fans aren't going to confuse which title Mercedes Mone and which one Samoa Joe are going for. Drop the entire use of the world women's when it comes to title. Just to make him look like a moron. I hope one of these days he slips up and says he is or something saying he's the women's world champion. Every time we have to hear Hangman or an announcer say this crap it makes me roll my eyes these guys are idiots. This is coming from someone that does think Page is a great wrestler but is the worst he's ever been on the mic this year.

[DrZman]

Fantastic show last night. Wish the women's match would've gone on last but I get wanting to do a happy ending. Hangman and Hobbs beating the piss out of each other was highly enjoyable and loved seeing Kyle get his time to shine in the main event. Was it over indulgent? Hell yes, not sure how you could expect any less from a show advertising 2 BnG matches but I thought it was one of their best Dynamites in forever.

[pumpkinescobar]

Originally Posted by DrZman

Fantastic show last night. Wish the women's match would've gone on last but I get wanting to do a happy ending. Hangman and Hobbs beating the piss out of each other was highly enjoyable and loved seeing Kyle get his time to shine in the main event. Was it over indulgent? Hell yes, not sure how you could expect any less from a show advertising 2 BnG matches but I thought it was one of their best Dynamites in forever.

Great episode-- it was definitely for us sickos. Agree that the women should have main evented and everyone involved in that match should be proud at how they showed out. I was especially impressed with Marina Shafir.

[Jaypers]

The bottom line is, if you enjoy switching off your brain and aren't even tempted to look for (or even notice) the numerous botches and inconsistencies, last night hit the spot.

[jmarascojr]

I watched the women's match, the only thing that really got to me was the tacks.

The bag ripped and 95% of those tacks went outside, yet every 2 minutes, the announcers were making comments about someone falling on "all those tacks"...
There was like 10 in the whole ring...

Shafir taking off her boots and then stepping on the glass on purpose was a bit wild for me... No way I'm cutting open the bottom of my foot for a match...

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Still processing the complete and utter garbage I just spentt the last 2 1/2 hrs of my life watching. That wasn't wrestling or entertainment that was pure stupidity. So much so that Flair said screw it and didn't even bother to show up.

Actually he did show up...but apparently plans changed due to a recent rotator cuff injury...

But sure narrative away

[cdub6238]

Haven't actually watched any AEW outside of clips here n there, but still keep up with it..

Watching now, cuz of BnG obviously

Harley Cameron has improved leaps and bounds since her start

Jamie Hayter looks completely different than last I watched

Not really big on Thekla

Pretty sure Stat had a momentary nip slip right before Mercedes entrance

Nail bed spot was nice

Timeless Toni still as thick as ever lol

[JustinVerlander07]

Just one observation from someone most here know what 'side' I'm on. Really interesting the amount of tribalism on both sides as to how much they liked or disliked that AEW show.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Just one observation from someone most here know what 'side' I'm on. Really interesting the amount of tribalism on both sides as to how much they liked or disliked that AEW show.

it all just goes to whether fans either like the safe, not as violent looking WWE entertainment or the other side the likes the more realistic looking 'fights'. My favorite era in WWE was Attitude era where they had Hardcore Title matches and had TLC pay per views where they actually USED tables, ladders and chairs. I was also a big late 90's ECW guy. Hoping maybe with WWE now owned by TKO maybe they can get a big more bloody but doubt they might decide to do that

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Just one observation from someone most here know what 'side' I'm on. Really interesting the amount of tribalism on both sides as to how much they liked or disliked that AEW show.

Im not on either side and Im telling you how terrible AEW is right now. Hell, I've actually been to more AEW shows this decade than WWE and it's not close. Probably double the amount. If I win some type of award I could provide proof of tickets and photos/video from each or most events. Some of the AEW PPVs I've been to are some of the best shows I've ever watched period. Out of the top 25 matches I've seen live all time probably more than half are AEW matches.

After Cena's last match I can't imagine there will be anything I go see live again anytime soon. AEW is so bad that it's not worth going to for free. They haven't had a single PPV that wasn't at least 5 hours driving time for me each way or having to take a flight. If they ever actually had a PPV in Ohio or Western PA I'd possibly go as long as there was 1 match worth seeing.

WWE prices are astronomical and countless shows outside the US. I'd like to see Rey vs Dom, Rhea vs Iyo the next time it happens, Stephanie vs Rhea, Punks vs Cody and few other matches live but not for total cost of seeing it. Probably thousands of dollars. I've gone to shows that weren't too badly priced and were a reasonable drive. Outside of that happening again not much I'd fly for and spend thousands to see. Cody vs Rock but unfortunately if it happens it's going to be in Saudi Arabia. No thanks.

I pay for the matches and wrestlers I want to see. I don't care what the company is.

[dlouisb1313]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Im not on either side and Im telling you how terrible AEW is right now. Hell, I've actually been to more AEW shows this decade than WWE and it's not close. Probably double the amount. If I win some type of award I could provide proof of tickets and photos/video from each or most events. Some of the AEW PPVs I've been to are some of the best shows I've ever watched period. Out of the top 25 matches I've seen live all time probably more than half are AEW matches.

After Cena's last match I can't imagine there will be anything I go see live again anytime soon. AEW is so bad that it's not worth going to for free. They haven't had a single PPV that wasn't at least 5 hours driving time for me each way or having to take a flight. If they ever actually had a PPV in Ohio or Western PA I'd possibly go as long as there was 1 match worth seeing.

WWE prices are astronomical and countless shows outside the US. I'd like to see Rey vs Dom, Rhea vs Iyo the next time it happens, Stephanie vs Rhea, Punks vs Cody and few other matches live but not for total cost of seeing it. Probably thousands of dollars. I've gone to shows that weren't too badly priced and were a reasonable drive. Outside of that happening again not much I'd fly for and spend thousands to see. Cody vs Rock but unfortunately if it happens it's going to be in Saudi Arabia. No thanks.

I pay for the matches and wrestlers I want to see. I don't care what the company is.

It's always the same people. If your blood pressure rises, or your going to have a stroke, stop watching AEW or whatever company it is. The same thing with Packman and a few others. Why bother watching if you guys hate ever single second of wrestling. I like all Nort American/European wrestling. I hate New Japan. Guess what I simply don't watch New Japan. It's like my favorite sport ever car racing. If I like the type of cars, or organization racing I'll watch every single race and not complain. Guess what. If I don't like the cars racing, or organization, I don't watch and sit there, and complain about it.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by dlouisb1313

It's always the same people. If your blood pressure rises, or your going to have a stroke, stop watching AEW or whatever company it is. The same thing with Packman and a few others. Why bother watching if you guys hate ever single second of wrestling. I like all Nort American/European wrestling. I hate New Japan. Guess what I simply don't watch New Japan. It's like my favorite sport ever car racing. If I like the type of cars, or organization racing I'll watch every single race and not complain. Guess what. If I don't like the cars racing, or organization, I don't watch and sit there, and complain about it.

No no no...he likes like 4-5 wrestlers...so instead of just watching their matches or highlights...he HAS to endure the pain and watch EVERY SHOW!

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by dlouisb1313

It's always the same people. If your blood pressure rises, or your going to have a stroke, stop watching AEW or whatever company it is. The same thing with Packman and a few others. Why bother watching if you guys hate ever single second of wrestling. I like all Nort American/European wrestling. I hate New Japan. Guess what I simply don't watch New Japan. It's like my favorite sport ever car racing. If I like the type of cars, or organization racing I'll watch every single race and not complain. Guess what. If I don't like the cars racing, or organization, I don't watch and sit there, and complain about it.

I don't care what the organization is. Unlike many others including yourself.

This may be the only instance in wrestling history that complaining isn't going to do anything. In the past people complaining has worked. Every other company actually cared about making money. If you want to make money you have to do what's best for the product and the fans at some point.

AEW is the most real audience of 1 ever. I honestly believe if Tony Khan was told he could profit $250 million per year but had to let a group of others control the booking and results or lose $250 million and he handles everything like now he would take the $250 million a year loss.

Originally Posted by cdub6238

No no no...he likes like 4-5 wrestlers...so instead of just watching their matches or highlights...he HAS to endure the pain and watch EVERY SHOW!

I like MJF, Darby, Ospreay, Swerve, Page (in ring only), Takeshita, Christian, Jay Lethal, Max Caster, Ricochet (in ring only), Mercedes, Athena, Stat, Harley Cameron, Jamie Hayter, Willow. Last time I checked that's quite a bit more than 4-5 wrestlers. There are others that I will watch if they are against certain people. Like Im not a Kenny Omega fan but Ospreay vs Omega at Forbidden Door was one of the best matches I've ever seen. What I flat out don't want to watch is stuff involving the people that are God awful. Like the pound for pound worst wrestler in the world, Jon Moxley.

The main reason AEW has gone downhill is because of the person running it. I think if Tony Khan went into a coma for the next 9-12 months and the right people got put in charge AEW could be awesome again.

[dlouisb1313]

I'm stoked that Swerve Strickland is back. He's a huge threat.

[mossoholic]

Darby vs Pac and Stat vs Mercedes were both excellent. Watching those 2 matches and everything else felt like 2 completely different shows. Those 4 wrestlers had actual wrestling matches.

If Darby vs Pac would have done the full match what they did for 90% of it and had a better ending it would have been pretty close to what Darby vs MJF was at Full Gear 4 years ago. Really excellent match. Wish Darby would do more in ring stuff like this because when he does with someone else that is great it should be 4-5 stars every time.

The rest was bloodbaths galore, spot fest, kick out of everything, sell nothing. Except for Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin. They had to of broke the record for longest selling in history. From being thrown into the barricade and steps a few times at the beginning of a match they were down for 15+ minutes. That is not a typo. 15+ minutes of selling for spots that weren't even in the top 10 biggest spots of the night that featured kickouts at 2 let alone winning a match they sold for 15+ minutes. It sure made a bunch for sense too for Ricochet to just stand in the ring and do a spinaroonie and not have 1 oif his 2 henchmen throw Lashley or Shelton in the ring to be pinned. Only could have counted to 1,000.

Lashley and Shelton are supposed to be as big of legit bada$$es as anyone in the company. Tonight, they were made to look as arguably the 2 biggest ******* in the company.

What exactly does blood mean if it happens in every match? What exactly does kicking out of non stop finishers and big moves mean when it's done in every match on every show?!?

They had what should have been a great ending for Fletcher vs Briscoe. Of course ruin it to do more bs.

Jon Moxley once again proving he's the worst in the world. Not 1 time in all of these tap outs has he made it look even decent.

Nick Jackson jumps to the floor flat on his face and just gets up like nothing happened. Can't possibly change up the gymnastics routine for a screw up can we?

It's embarrassing how dead that crowd was for Statlander vs Mone. You could have put Sasha Banks vs Bayley Takeover Brooklyn or Rhea vs Iyo at Evolution in front of that crowd and they would have been dead. That's the current niche AEW crowd for you. All they want is the blood and bs. It's 1 of a few reasons a women's match will never headline an AEW PPV.

How many times did Excalibur say the "Men's" World Title or some version of that during the match? Was it 25? When the belt was used or about to be used he had to of said it half a dozen times. It would be hilarious if 1 of the other commentators said no I think he's holding the Women's World Title. Yes Hook hit Hangman with the Women's World Title!

These 2 morons, Excalibur and Hangman, somehow think calling it the "Men's World title makes the championships equal. The only thing them doing this does is makes them both look like idiots. If you want to make the belts equal, the company doesn't, actually do an action to make them equal. Not your words. Have the women main event a PPV.

6+ years and around 40 AEW PPVs the women have main evented ZERO PPVS! Does that sound like the titles are equal? Around 40 to 0 is equal?!?According to only 2 braindead morons is that anywhere near equal.

Their biggest feud ever, Toni vs Mariah May, couldn't main event. Their 2 biggest wrestlers, Toni vs Mercedes, couldn't main event. You had 1 woman who never lost and your champion of multiple years in one of their hometowns, Mercedes vs Athena in Boston, not even main event your weekly tv show! Their proven twice great chemistry 2 of their biggest stars, Mercedes vs Stat, on a show with a world title match that wasn't in demand couldn't main event.

Besides signing someone from WWE what women's match at this point would Tony Khan ever let main event an AEW PPV? If it's not going to happen with your best women in their best matches who is it going to be? It's never going to happen. But don't worry! The titles are equal!

[jmarascojr]

^^^
If a women's match was going to Main Event, it would've been Toni vs. Mercedes, I agree with you there.

If it's gonna happen any time soon, with Britt Baker back, this might be the best chance, her vs. Mercedes.

It's so small and insignificant, but the fact that they had a new belt already made for Briscoe really hits me the wrong way.

I know wrestling is fake and the results are pre-determined, but try and pretend a little bit... Give him the custom title a week from now, not 5 minutes after the match...

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

^^^
If a women's match was going to Main Event, it would've been Toni vs. Mercedes, I agree with you there.

If it's gonna happen any time soon, with Britt Baker back, this might be the best chance, her vs. Mercedes.

It's so small and insignificant, but the fact that they had a new belt already made for Briscoe really hits me the wrong way.

I know wrestling is fake and the results are pre-determined, but try and pretend a little bit... Give him the custom title a week from now, not 5 minutes after the match...

Lol Britt Baker? You mean Ms. Persona Non Grata? Fully healthy, being paid 7 figures, and wants to be there for over a year and hasn't been booked 1 date. Baker vs Mercedes was at All In already in 2024. The match was not great and there was zero talk then of it being the main event.

With what they have, Tony's beliefs in women's wrestling, and their current audience there is no women's match they have that will main event a PPV. But the belts are equal!

Not that it's a surprise but how Tony handled Statlander winning the title and everything versus Mercedes should tell you what you need to know about how he can't book. How did Toni beating Mercedes help the company, the division, or any of the wrestlers including Toni Storm? It didn't. What was basically the worst way you could have your home grown babyface potential star win her first world title in the 6 year company history? In a multiple women's match on a fluke roll up.

Who knows about how the crowd would have reacted. But I know for me and Im sure the average viewer watching how big would that match have been if it was the babyface everyone is rotting for who couldn't win the title, couldn't beat Mercedes, against the undefeated 14 belt champion in the main event? It would have been a hell of a lot bigger than it just being there as another match on Sunday night. It could have got Statlander over as a star. I don't see how her standing has really changed the way Tony Khan decided to do it instead.

Although maybe he wants the WWE philosophy of we don't want you to pay to see any stars. We want the star to be WWE/AEW the brand. Maybe he just doesn't care about having stars. He wants you to come for AEW only.

[daverat]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Darby vs Pac and Stat vs Mercedes were both excellent. Watching those 2 matches and everything else felt like 2 completely different shows. Those 4 wrestlers had actual wrestling matches.

If Darby vs Pac would have done the full match what they did for 90% of it and had a better ending it would have been pretty close to what Darby vs MJF was at Full Gear 4 years ago. Really excellent match. Wish Darby would do more in ring stuff like this because when he does with someone else that is great it should be 4-5 stars every time.

The rest was bloodbaths galore, spot fest, kick out of everything, sell nothing. Except for Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin. They had to of broke the record for longest selling in history. From being thrown into the barricade and steps a few times at the beginning of a match they were down for 15+ minutes. That is not a typo. 15+ minutes of selling for spots that weren't even in the top 10 biggest spots of the night that featured kickouts at 2 let alone winning a match they sold for 15+ minutes. It sure made a bunch for sense too for Ricochet to just stand in the ring and do a spinaroonie and not have 1 oif his 2 henchmen throw Lashley or Shelton in the ring to be pinned. Only could have counted to 1,000.

Lashley and Shelton are supposed to be as big of legit bada$$es as anyone in the company. Tonight, they were made to look as arguably the 2 biggest ******* in the company.

What exactly does blood mean if it happens in every match? What exactly does kicking out of non stop finishers and big moves mean when it's done in every match on every show?!?

They had what should have been a great ending for Fletcher vs Briscoe. Of course ruin it to do more bs.

Jon Moxley once again proving he's the worst in the world. Not 1 time in all of these tap outs has he made it look even decent.

Nick Jackson jumps to the floor flat on his face and just gets up like nothing happened. Can't possibly change up the gymnastics routine for a screw up can we?

It's embarrassing how dead that crowd was for Statlander vs Mone. You could have put Sasha Banks vs Bayley Takeover Brooklyn or Rhea vs Iyo at Evolution in front of that crowd and they would have been dead. That's the current niche AEW crowd for you. All they want is the blood and bs. It's 1 of a few reasons a women's match will never headline an AEW PPV.

How many times did Excalibur say the "Men's" World Title or some version of that during the match? Was it 25? When the belt was used or about to be used he had to of said it half a dozen times. It would be hilarious if 1 of the other commentators said no I think he's holding the Women's World Title. Yes Hook hit Hangman with the Women's World Title!

These 2 morons, Excalibur and Hangman, somehow think calling it the "Men's World title makes the championships equal. The only thing them doing this does is makes them both look like idiots. If you want to make the belts equal, the company doesn't, actually do an action to make them equal. Not your words. Have the women main event a PPV.

6+ years and around 40 AEW PPVs the women have main evented ZERO PPVS! Does that sound like the titles are equal? Around 40 to 0 is equal?!?According to only 2 braindead morons is that anywhere near equal.

Their biggest feud ever, Toni vs Mariah May, couldn't main event. Their 2 biggest wrestlers, Toni vs Mercedes, couldn't main event. You had 1 woman who never lost and your champion of multiple years in one of their hometowns, Mercedes vs Athena in Boston, not even main event your weekly tv show! Their proven twice great chemistry 2 of their biggest stars, Mercedes vs Stat, on a show with a world title match that wasn't in demand couldn't main event.

Besides signing someone from WWE what women's match at this point would Tony Khan ever let main event an AEW PPV? If it's not going to happen with your best women in their best matches who is it going to be? It's never going to happen. But don't worry! The titles are equal!

I agree, the blood fest was a bit too much. Mone Kris match was A+, guess the crowd was waiting for chainsaws to enter the equation.

[Gurds]

Contenatial Classic starts tomorrow night and the first 3 matches TK announced is just banger after banger after banger. I love the C²

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