Red Sox Acquire Sonny Gray

[Jaypers]

Curious to see who's headed to STL.

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman
Breaking: Sonny Gray traded to Red Sox

[OhioLawyerF5]

Hopefully it's not the most common player the Reds get back in trades, a guy by the name of Cash Considerations.

[Crosby 87]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Hopefully it's not the most common player the Reds get back in trades, a guy by the name of Cash Considerations.

So it's a 3 way trade?

[awz50]

A box of a balls is a overpay if the Red Sox take on any salary

[awz50]

Also hopefully this isn't the "number 2" they have been talking about getting

[daeve]

Dicky Fitts and Brandon Clarke in the return

[awz50]

Originally Posted by daeve

Dicky Fitts and Brandon Clarke in the return

Not a fan of this package for him. Fitts didn't really have a place in Boston but a big bummer to see Clarke go

St Louis covering 20 mil in salary

[majestik101]

About as groundbreaking as the Nimmo to Rangers trade

[DioBrando]

Looks like the Cardinals did the typically Reds trade. Dump someone of value for garbage

[DioBrando]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Hopefully it's not the most common player the Reds get back in trades, a guy by the name of Cash Considerations.

Cash or garbage prospects is the usual get for the Reds in trades

[awz50]

Originally Posted by DioBrando

Looks like the Cardinals did the typically Reds trade. Dump someone of value for garbage

How is this return garbage? Im confused by this statement

[erock28]

Originally Posted by awz50

Not a fan of this package for him. Fitts didn't really have a place in Boston but a big bummer to see Clarke go

St Louis covering 20 mil in salary

Clarke is unhittable to many batters, but the strike zone is almost as unhittable for Clarke. Only at A+ at 22, the further he gets up the comp ladder the worse the walk rate is going to get. Not saying he isn't young enough to figure it out, but the list of pitchers that slay early control problems is much much smaller than the list of pitchers where the control problems win.

Boston gets a solid mid-rotation starter for a meh backend rotation/swing arm and a wild dart throw. I'd be happy if I were a Sox fan personally.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by erock28

Clarke is unhittable to many batters, but the strike zone is almost as unhittable for Clarke. Only at A+ at 22, the further he gets up the comp ladder the worse the walk rate is going to get. Not saying he isn't young enough to figure it out, but the list of pitchers that slay early control problems is much much smaller than the list of pitchers where the control problems win.

Boston gets a solid mid-rotation starter for a meh backend rotation/swing arm and a wild dart throw. I'd be happy if I were a Sox fan personally.

I think that's a rough take on a pitcher who yes has control issues but also shown some as you said unhittable stuff. I would classify him higher then a dart throw.

[SaveMeTheGum]

John Henry is trying to become the Boston A's...

I had to look up his numbers. He's been pretty good/durable the last 2 years. Not a terrible move I guess. Can never have enough SP depth, though this tells me they are not going to make a big FA SP splash.

[BostonNut]

This guy is still in baseball??

Seems like 15 years ago he was major suckage for the Yankees.

[Stech36]

Good trade for both teams. Sonny Gray is a solid #3 still, potentially even a #2. His peripherals were much better than his ERA.

He had a weird year. He has like 25 starts where he pitched like a solid #2 and 5 starts where he gave up like 6 runs.

Glad to see the Cardinals are willing to buy prospects

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

This guy is still in baseball??

Seems like 15 years ago he was major suckage for the Yankees.

Larry Rothschild was a disaster for Yankees pitchers. His Yankees tenure doesn't (shouldn't) represent his talent.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by awz50

A box of a balls is a overpay if the Red Sox take on any salary

Gray is pretty solid starter. Can't turn out worse than Buehler.

[Cracktoast]

Hope he does better in Boston than his short time in the Bronx.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Gray is pretty solid starter. Can't turn out worse than Buehler.

Buehler was also an 21 Million Dollar mistake. Gray is just a possible 11 million one (plus the 5th starter and prospect) with the Cardinals taking on 20 million.

[Skipscards]

Red Sox are on the hook for at least $21 MM. To waive his no trade, they bumped his 26 pay to $31 MM (Cards eat $20 MM) and his 27 option is now a mutual option for $30 MM with a $10 MM buyout. Essentially Gray gets $1 MM extra to waive it but some deferred to 27.

Also, Gray is getting older, sure, but he’s been durable enough to strikeout 200+ hitters each of the last two seasons. (Only 4 other pitchers have done that)

On balance I think the Red Sox may have overpaid, but durable pitchers are at a premium. I just think Gray is essentially an Innings Eater at this stage.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Red Sox are on the hook for at least $21 MM. To waive his no trade, they bumped his 26 pay to $31 MM (Cards eat $20 MM) and his 27 option is now a mutual option for $30 MM with a $10 MM buyout. Essentially Gray gets $1 MM extra to waive it but some deferred to 27.

Also, Gray is getting older, sure, but he’s been durable enough to strikeout 200+ hitters each of the last two seasons. (Only 4 other pitchers have done that)

On balance I think the Red Sox may have overpaid, but durable pitchers are at a premium. I just think Gray is essentially an Innings Eater at this stage.

Interesting did not see the mutual option portion. I would agree durable pitchers are at a premium and again agree with them overpaying, I do hope he is a step above a innings eater which I think he could be.

[base set]

The AI written baseball spam headline called Sonny an “elite Strike thrower.” And as Skip mentioned, innings are challenging to fill these days.

Unlike the rare recent one Topps for one Topps trade (Semien/Nimmo), now we’re back to normal. One Topps for some Bowmans and a big ole pile of Benjamins.

And also as already mentioned by Stech, “buying prospects” is the way to look at this.

The result I expect from this is the AI generated trade speculations about Arenado will now double in frequency.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by base set

The AI written baseball spam headline called Sonny an “elite Strike thrower.” And as Skip mentioned, innings are challenging to fill these days.

Unlike the rare recent one Topps for one Topps trade (Semien/Nimmo), now we’re back to normal. One Topps for some Bowmans and a big ole pile of Benjamins.

And also as already mentioned by Stech, “buying prospects” is the way to look at this.

The result I expect from this is the AI generated trade speculations about Arenado will now double in frequency.

“Wunderkind Super Glove Seen In Market”

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by awz50

Not a fan of this package for him. Fitts didn't really have a place in Boston but a big bummer to see Clarke go

St Louis covering 20 mil in salary

Originally Posted by DioBrando

Looks like the Cardinals did the typically Reds trade. Dump someone of value for garbage

Originally Posted by awz50

How is this return garbage? Im confused by this statement

I agree with azw50 here. It wouldn't be totallly surprising if Fitts/Clarke ended up better this year. Even if everybody only hits their projections (ie no breakouts for the youngsters, Gray doesn't implode in his age 36 season), that is a lot to pay for someone who doesn't really move the needle in the postseason.