Do the 2026 Vikings have the worst QB's in NFL Hhstory?

[88horsepower]

Fans these days are so fickle and lack patience. If it were 1989, and you were a Cowboys fan, you'd have run Troy Aikman out of the building and probably would have clamored for Steve Walsh to be the quarterback. Same with Peyton Manning in Indianapolis in 1998 when he set the NFL single-season record for interceptions by a rookie quarterback.

Patience means not getting what you want right away despite the results not providing you with instant gratification, like when you eat potato chips or play video games. Patience means you might need to give a quarterback, with arguably the toughest learning curve in all of professional sports, a chance to acclimate and adjust to the speed of the game.

I'm so sick of hearing fans talk down about young quarterbacks, expecting them to all play like 2012 Russell Wilson or 2023 C.J. Stroud. Have some patience.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

Fans these days are so fickle and lack patience. If it were 1989, and you were a Cowboys fan, you'd have run Troy Aikman out of the building and probably would have clamored for Steve Walsh to be the quarterback. Same with Peyton Manning in Indianapolis in 1998 when he set the NFL single-season record for interceptions by a rookie quarterback.

Patience means not getting what you want right away despite the results not providing you with instant gratification, like when you eat potato chips or play video games. Patience means you might need to give a quarterback, with arguably the toughest learning curve in all of professional sports, a chance to acclimate and adjust to the speed of the game.

I'm so sick of hearing fans talk down about young quarterbacks, expecting them to all play like 2012 Russell Wilson or 2023 C.J. Stroud. Have some patience.

The curve is less steeper than it used to be. The efficiency of reviewing game film, virtual reality aids, all the tape of the greats that has enabled young QBs to learn how to attack coverages, the dumbing down of offenses…it’s a whole different world compared to 1989.

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

You’re overly grumpy today.

Not anymore, I just caught the highlights of the game. Didn't even know they were playing Seattle. That pick 6 is hilarious.

We can both be happy the Rams lost.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

The curve is less steeper than it used to be. The efficiency of reviewing game film, virtual reality aids, all the tape of the greats that has enabled young QBs to learn how to attack coverages, the dumbing down of offenses…it’s a whole different world compared to 1989.

And yet, the learning curve is still very steep. You’re forgetting that the pressure on these kids, yes kids, is immensely greater than ever before. That can’t be discounted.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

And yet, the learning curve is still very steep. You’re forgetting that the pressure on these kids, yes kids, is immensely greater than ever before. That can’t be discounted.

Getting big NIL money in college + the hefty 1st rd money eases a lot of pressure. Future 1st rounders will be even more rich in the future as NIL $ goes up.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Getting big NIL money in college + the hefty 1st rd money eases a lot of pressure. Future 1st rounders will be even more rich in the future as NIL $ goes up.

That only adds to the pressure and expectation. The media kills these kids the moment they falter. The money is nice to fall back on, but the media pressure is brutal.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

That only adds to the pressure and expectation. The media kills these kids the moment they falter. The money is nice to fall back on, but the media pressure is brutal.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say jj McCarthy is sleeping a whole lot better in 2025 than aikman did back in 1989. McCarthy is fully guaranteed 20 million dollars win or lose.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I’m going to go out on a limb and say jj McCarthy is sleeping a whole lot better in 2025 than aikman did back in 1989. McCarthy is fully guaranteed 20 million dollars win or lose.

Aikman had a 0-11 record in 1989 with twice as many interceptions (18) as touchdowns (9). He was well compensated, paid $11.2 million in 1989 money. That’s multi-generational wealth. However, with the year he had in 1989, if he has that same rookie year in 2025 he likely gets extreme scrutiny from the Dallas and national media, the fans would want his head, the pressure is nothing like it was in 1989.

Anyhow, I’m done taking about it. My point stands. The pressure now is far greater. It’s still the toughest position in football to adjust to coming out of college. People today have far too great of expectations for these kids. Nothing will change my mind on that.

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Minnesota is a dumb state. They deserve that Browns reject.

Way to generous and a true understatement.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

Way to generous and a true understatement.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

Fans these days are so fickle and lack patience. If it were 1989, and you were a Cowboys fan, you'd have run Troy Aikman out of the building and probably would have clamored for Steve Walsh to be the quarterback. Same with Peyton Manning in Indianapolis in 1998 when he set the NFL single-season record for interceptions by a rookie quarterback.

I'm so sick of hearing fans talk down about young quarterbacks, expecting them to all play like 2012 Russell Wilson or 2023 C.J. Stroud. Have some patience.

And I am sick of people pointing to Aikman and Manning in situations like this.

The Cowboys were 3-13 in 1988. That is how they got the #1 pick in 1989 to take Aikman. Jimmy Johnson 1st time HC. The Cowboys were more than one "good" QB away from doing anything in 1989. He joined a bad team, that was the worst in the league when they drafted him

The Colts were 3-13 in 1997. That is how they got the #1 pick in 1998 to take Manning. Jim Mora new HC. The Colts were more than one "good" QB away from doing anything in 1998. He joined a bad team, that was the worst in the league when they drafted him

We didnt get to see JJ in 2024. But the Vikings had to trade up to grab him. That season, the Vikings went 14-3. Had 7 Pro Bowlers & 3 All Pros. Their HC O'Connell just won Coach of the Year.

All JJ had to do, was not be a total trash bag for that team to keep rolling like they were. Instead, here we are.

No one thought a Manning or Aikman lead team would be great in year one. As they were in complete rebuild mode. These Vikings should have been in reload mode. JJ is the reason they suck.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Grid

And I am sick of people pointing to Aikman and Manning in situations like this.

The Cowboys were 3-13 in 1988. That is how they got the #1 pick in 1989 to take Aikman. Jimmy Johnson 1st time HC. The Cowboys were more than one "good" QB away from doing anything in 1989. He joined a bad team, that was the worst in the league when they drafted him

The Colts were 3-13 in 1997. That is how they got the #1 pick in 1998 to take Manning. Jim Mora new HC. The Colts were more than one "good" QB away from doing anything in 1998. He joined a bad team, that was the worst in the league when they drafted him

We didnt get to see JJ in 2024. But the Vikings had to trade up to grab him. That season, the Vikings went 14-3. Had 7 Pro Bowlers & 3 All Pros. Their HC O'Connell just won Coach of the Year.

All JJ had to do, was not be a total trash bag for that team to keep rolling like they were. Instead, here we are.

No one thought a Manning or Aikman lead team would be great in year one. As they were in complete rebuild mode. These Vikings should have been in reload mode. JJ is the reason they suck.

I am personally still out on JJ. I was out on him from the beginning, wasn't sure what to make of him. My knock on him was he barely did any passing in college, and was on a team that ran early and often. That being said, I felt then, and still do that the Vikings reached for JJ.

I think this is a guy who really didn't get a rookie season under his feet due to the injury, so in effect, this is his rookie season. If you throw a rookie QB into action, most times, they will struggle. Now compound that with the fact he didn't throw the ball a lot in college. Compare JJ with 2 of his draft mates who started immediately; Daniels and Nix. They had great rookie seasons, but the key was, that they had a lot more throws under their belts by the time they were drafted, so they got their sea legs under them faster.

JJ may turn out to be a bust, I don't know, but again, this is his rookie season (as far as playing the game). I do not think you can write off a first round QB after one season of playing time, and I don't think the Vikings will. I think he deserves and will get next season to show growth. Part of all this is on JJ's injury and losing a year of playing time last season, and part is on the Vikes for reaching early for an unproven guy. Usually when you reach for a guy, it's because you already know what he is- and the Vikes, and nobody else knew what JJ was.

[ThatGuyPal]

No the 2015 Brown prob have the worst QB’s in “Hhstory” if this thread is serious.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Boo

He almost spelled every word correctly.

[IpcSteveYoung]

Just gonna drop this link here....

https://www.nfl.com/photos/worst-15-...p3000000667607

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by IpcSteveYoung

Just gonna drop this link here....

https://www.nfl.com/photos/worst-15-...p3000000667607

That’s a who’s who of FCG prospecting.

[IpcSteveYoung]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

That’s a who’s who of FCG prospecting.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I am personally still out on JJ. I was out on him from the beginning, wasn't sure what to make of him. My knock on him was he barely did any passing in college, and was on a team that ran early and often. That being said, I felt then, and still do that the Vikings reached for JJ.

I think this is a guy who really didn't get a rookie season under his feet due to the injury, so in effect, this is his rookie season. If you throw a rookie QB into action, most times, they will struggle. Now compound that with the fact he didn't throw the ball a lot in college. Compare JJ with 2 of his draft mates who started immediately; Daniels and Nix. They had great rookie seasons, but the key was, that they had a lot more throws under their belts by the time they were drafted, so they got their sea legs under them faster.

JJ may turn out to be a bust, I don't know, but again, this is his rookie season (as far as playing the game). I do not think you can write off a first round QB after one season of playing time, and I don't think the Vikings will. I think he deserves and will get next season to show growth. Part of all this is on JJ's injury and losing a year of playing time last season, and part is on the Vikes for reaching early for an unproven guy. Usually when you reach for a guy, it's because you already know what he is- and the Vikes, and nobody else knew what JJ was.

Exactly. Michigan was a run first punch you in the mouth team. JJ just had to hang on.

in 2023, JJ had 2900 passing yards and 22 TD. His running backs? Almost 2600 yards and 40 TD's

Hell, just Blake Corum alone ran for 1250 and 27 TDs

Caleb, Jayden, Maye & Penix were all off the board before the Vikings traded up to grab JJ. Vikings had no idea if Darnold of Danny Jones were going to be good. And they did need a QB.

I agree with them taking a QB. But I dont know who elese was eyeballing JJ top 10. That they had to trade with the Jets to nab him

Whats the worst that could happen? They get stuck taking Bo Nix at 11?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by IpcSteveYoung

Just gonna drop this link here....

https://www.nfl.com/photos/worst-15-...p3000000667607

That one is over 10 years old by now. You gotta think 2025 alone would have a few teams in there

Viking: J.J. McCarthy, Carson Wentz, Max Brosmer & John Wolford

Jets: Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor, Adrian Martinez & Brady Cook

Browns: Deshaun Watson, Dillon Gabriel & Shedeur Sanders

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by Grid

And I am sick of people pointing to Aikman and Manning in situations like this.

The Cowboys were 3-13 in 1988. That is how they got the #1 pick in 1989 to take Aikman. Jimmy Johnson 1st time HC. The Cowboys were more than one "good" QB away from doing anything in 1989. He joined a bad team, that was the worst in the league when they drafted him

The Colts were 3-13 in 1997. That is how they got the #1 pick in 1998 to take Manning. Jim Mora new HC. The Colts were more than one "good" QB away from doing anything in 1998. He joined a bad team, that was the worst in the league when they drafted him

We didnt get to see JJ in 2024. But the Vikings had to trade up to grab him. That season, the Vikings went 14-3. Had 7 Pro Bowlers & 3 All Pros. Their HC O'Connell just won Coach of the Year.

All JJ had to do, was not be a total trash bag for that team to keep rolling like they were. Instead, here we are.

No one thought a Manning or Aikman lead team would be great in year one. As they were in complete rebuild mode. These Vikings should have been in reload mode. JJ is the reason they suck.

"All he had to do"

That's simplifying things to the point of ridiculous. Yeah, all the kid with no NFL experience had to do was come in and be decent.

Let's look at Caleb Williams, 1st overall pick in 2024. He takes over for a 7-10 Bears team. Not a great team, but far from a complete rebuild. He has, objectively, a very solid rookie year. 20 touchdowns, 6 interceptions, 62.5% completion percentage, 3,500 passing yards, 500 rushing yards. People here bashed that poor kid like he was the second coming of Cade McNown, made fun of him like he didn't belong in the NFL, cracked jokes about him being too soft, joked about him painting his nails and crying, and yet, the kid had a fine rookie year. I dare say a good rookie year taking over for a middling football team. It's insane how harsh people are on these rookies.

JJ McCarthy might end up being a bust. That's certainly possible. No way to know at this stage of his career. However, if we're going to assess how good or bad he is, maybe wait a few years before saying, yeah that didn't work out. There is still far too much time before anyone can reasonably say he had his shot and didn't make the best of it or didn't have the overall talent to begin with. Bryce Young is making huge strides this year, for example. History is replete with examples of rookies who struggled early only to have good, if not great, careers later. It's too early with McCarthy, despite how things look at this stage.

I can understand if people are frustrated because of how Sam Darnold played last year. Saying it's on McCarthy is pointing the finger at the wrong people, if what you wanted was instant results and continued success. Arrogantly putting a rookie in there instead of a veteran who had a career year is what could end up getting both the coach and GM fired in Minnesota if things don't work out with McCarthy, who has even more pressure on him because of the very fact you mentioned - he took over for a playoff-caliber team.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Grid

Exactly. Michigan was a run first punch you in the mouth team. JJ just had to hang on.

in 2023, JJ had 2900 passing yards and 22 TD. His running backs? Almost 2600 yards and 40 TD's

Hell, just Blake Corum alone ran for 1250 and 27 TDs

Caleb, Jayden, Maye & Penix were all off the board before the Vikings traded up to grab JJ. Vikings had no idea if Darnold of Danny Jones were going to be good. And they did need a QB.

I agree with them taking a QB. But I dont know who elese was eyeballing JJ top 10. That they had to trade with the Jets to nab him

Whats the worst that could happen? They get stuck taking Bo Nix at 11?

Maybe Penix going so early scared them, maybe they were thinking about trading back a bit and then grabbing a QB.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

"All he had to do"

That's simplifying things to the point of ridiculous. Yeah, all the kid with no NFL experience had to do was come in and be decent.

Let's look at Caleb Williams, 1st overall pick in 2024. He takes over for a 7-10 Bears team. Not a great team, but far from a complete rebuild. He has, objectively, a very solid rookie year. 20 touchdowns, 6 interceptions, 62.5% completion percentage, 3,500 passing yards, 500 rushing yards. People here bashed that poor kid like he was the second coming of Cade McNown, made fun of him like he didn't belong in the NFL, cracked jokes about him being too soft, joked about him painting his nails and crying, and yet, the kid had a fine rookie year. I dare say a good rookie year taking over for a middling football team. It's insane how harsh people are on these rookies.

JJ McCarthy might end up being a bust. That's certainly possible. No way to know at this stage of his career. However, if we're going to assess how good or bad he is, maybe wait a few years before saying, yeah that didn't work out. There is still far too much time before anyone can reasonably say he had his shot and didn't make the best of it or didn't have the overall talent to begin with. Bryce Young is making huge strides this year, for example. History is replete with examples of rookies who struggled early only to have good, if not great, careers later. It's too early with McCarthy, despite how things look at this stage.

I can understand if people are frustrated because of how Sam Darnold played last year. Saying it's on McCarthy is pointing the finger at the wrong people, if what you wanted was instant results and continued success. Arrogantly putting a rookie in there instead of a veteran who had a career year is what could end up getting both the coach and GM fired in Minnesota if things don't work out with McCarthy, who has even more pressure on him because of the very fact you mentioned - he took over for a playoff-caliber team.

I can see my post got you all all riled up!

He got to red shirt his entire rookie year. He went through camp, off season and preseason workouts/meetings this year and last. He knew the players, the coaches and playbook before he even got to start. That is a major head start.

And like my original post said. JJ didnt walk onto a bad team and was expected to be the one to make them great.

JJ walked onto a good team in 2025. Some might even say a great team, for all the reasons I already posted. And he nearly alone made them a bad team.

KOC runs a good system. He is a good coach. He just won COY for good reason. They have Justin Jefferson. JJ had over a year to sit and learn. And this is the best he has?

When Lamar played bad, they said he played like JJ



When Hurts played bad, they said he played like JJ



When Stafford played bad, they said he played like JJ. JJ is now a living meme for bad QB play

[Floridacardguy]

That meme is great LOL

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by Grid

I can see my post got you all all riled up!

No, not really. I thought we were having a friendly debate. Maybe you're projecting?

[JRX]

Clearly op has not looked up Jets box scores over the past oh 15 years.