Did you see the PSA buyback grade change thread in the BB section?

[eastbayak]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1621549

tdlr: PSA is buying back PSA 9s and altering grades to PSA 10s (pocketing the difference once the card is sold). Crazy times, massive conflict of interest.

[PuddleMonkey]

salt of the earth

[kingofsnake]

Nat is gonna Nat.

[patchgenie]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1621549

tdlr: PSA is buying back PSA 9s and altering grades to PSA 10s (pocketing the difference once the card is sold). Crazy times, massive conflict of interest.

a good job if you can get it.

they were always just worthless opinions.

[ninjabum87]

They already had incentive to short grades on cards that should be 10s because people would literally just crack and resub over and over given the massive gulf in prices from dipsh*ts who insist on having collections with the best PSA grades only.

Them being able to go "oh, sowwy, these all got 9s. We will take those off your hands" is even worse. Cesspool industry from top to bottom. Navigating it is like piloting a ship through the North Atlantic iceberg field.
Is the card/patch/auto/holder fraudulent?
If not, has it been altered/trimmed/polished?
If not, is the seller creatively hiding blemishes in photos?
If not, is the item being shilled?
If not, will it get stolen in a shipping distribution center?
If not, did the seller scam you by sending a package without a card or with the wrong card?
If not, will the card be stolen on the way to a grading company?
If not, will it be given a grade lower thank it deserves?
If so, will the grading company offer to buy them back and then give them the grades they deserve while reselling the higher grades themselves to pocket the profits?
If your card did get the grade it deserved did you get upcharged based on bogus sales data?
If not, did your card get stolen by FedEx on the way back to you?
If not, are you going to sell the card?
If so, did people ruin your auction by bidding it up because they want to try to log high sales data on their same card they listed the day your auction ended?
If not, did the winner ghost you and refuse to pay?
If not, did the card get stolen in shipping?
If not, did the buyer try and scam you by initiating a "did not receive item/item not as described" return scam?

Thats not even including scumbags like Alt because I didn't feel like making a separate swimlane for dirtbag consigners/auction houses/card vault services. Also not including things like weighing old school packs/boxes, people using metal detectors on new pokemon packs then selling loose packs left over after they found the special rares, lowlifes getting into fights outside of Targets over cards, employees clearing out cards to sell for themselves, etc etc.

I do think the vast majority of the hobby are cool and legitimate actors, but goddamn there are a lot of landmines.

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

I do think the vast majority of the hobby are cool and legitimate actors, but goddamn there are a lot of landmines.

I use to believe this now I see it as more 50/50. Just think about how many people on these forums alone make excuses for shill bidding. In the baseball forum you'll get like half of the respondents trying to justify shilling or telling you it's not a big deal if you still won because you were willing to pay that amount anyway. The hobby needs to be burned to the ground.

[BackToWax]

Yeah, I'm close to selling all cards and leaving. This "hobby" has become a cesspool on nearly every level

[NBAicons]

Originally Posted by kingofsnake

Nat is gonna Nat.

This.

Originally Posted by BackToWax

This "hobby" has become a cesspool on nearly every level

And this.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

They already had incentive to short grades on cards that should be 10s because people would literally just crack and resub over and over given the massive gulf in prices from dipsh*ts who insist on having collections with the best PSA grades only.

Them being able to go "oh, sowwy, these all got 9s. We will take those off your hands" is even worse. Cesspool industry from top to bottom. Navigating it is like piloting a ship through the North Atlantic iceberg field.
Is the card/patch/auto/holder fraudulent?
If not, has it been altered/trimmed/polished?
If not, is the seller creatively hiding blemishes in photos?
If not, is the item being shilled?
If not, will it get stolen in a shipping distribution center?
If not, did the seller scam you by sending a package without a card or with the wrong card?
If not, will the card be stolen on the way to a grading company?
If not, will it be given a grade lower thank it deserves?
If so, will the grading company offer to buy them back and then give them the grades they deserve while reselling the higher grades themselves to pocket the profits?
If your card did get the grade it deserved did you get upcharged based on bogus sales data?
If not, did your card get stolen by FedEx on the way back to you?
If not, are you going to sell the card?
If so, did people ruin your auction by bidding it up because they want to try to log high sales data on their same card they listed the day your auction ended?
If not, did the winner ghost you and refuse to pay?
If not, did the card get stolen in shipping?
If not, did the buyer try and scam you by initiating a "did not receive item/item not as described" return scam?

Thats not even including scumbags like Alt because I didn't feel like making a separate swimlane for dirtbag consigners/auction houses/card vault services. Also not including things like weighing old school packs/boxes, people using metal detectors on new pokemon packs then selling loose packs left over after they found the special rares, lowlifes getting into fights outside of Targets over cards, employees clearing out cards to sell for themselves, etc etc.

I do think the vast majority of the hobby are cool and legitimate actors, but goddamn there are a lot of landmines.

Ditto, my man. It’s crazy to think just how much is tolerated.


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[Bob Ross]

I might as well post this here as well (TLDR: only Nat Turner making 348 purchases from PSA's ebay account from his personal ebay account "natsturner"):

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Ok, I dug a little more into PSA owner's ebay account (again, Nat Turner). It's Sunday pre kickoff and I had 5 minutes to waste.

In the last month he has left MC_SPORTSCARDS feedback 84 times.

What's even cooler, the OWNER of PSA has left feedback 34 times for the PSA ebay account in the last month alone. 34 purchases from the PSA ebay account from the PSA owner in the last month. And for fun, I took a look at the last year. 348 times feedback was left for the PSA ebay account from the PSA owner.

[ThatGuyPal]

If you continue to sell to PSA you deserve it. This hobby has literally no backbone, autos not even signed by the player “confirmed to be in the presence of a representative” to the Backyard Breaks sagas and everyone just moves on and you wonder why things get worse lol it’s at the point where dummies gonna dummy and it is what it is to me

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

I use to believe this now I see it as more 50/50. Just think about how many people on these forums alone make excuses for shill bidding. In the baseball forum you'll get like half of the respondents trying to justify shilling or telling you it's not a big deal if you still won because you were willing to pay that amount anyway. The hobby needs to be burned to the ground.

Yeah I guess you may be right. I was thinking about all the random kids and such you see at card shops and figured in aggregate regular people probably still outnumbered the turds but maybe "vast" majority is a stretch at this point.

[703dispensary]

Very good news - so safe to say probably a lot of 9s from recent times could potentially be 10s; especially if we are talking about the big names from every sport.

Assuming they have probably been doing this since the start - it's safe to say that submissions in 2025 are likely all affected by this where big name/$ cards are involved especially.

[IronCladLou]

So wouldn't PSA just grade more 9s in collusion?

[r338]

Originally Posted by IronCladLou

So wouldn't PSA just grade more 9s in collusion?

Isn’t that exactly what is happening here? Or is PSA cleaning the cards first before they re-slab them in new PSA 10 holders?

[IronCladLou]

Originally Posted by r338

Isn’t that exactly what is happening here? Or is PSA cleaning the cards first before they re-slab them in new PSA 10 holders?

Whatever costs the least

[703dispensary]

I've seen some youtube videos about this and just saw this post on IG

https://www.instagram.com/p/DR8FRQ-D...RlODBiNWFlZA==

Spread the word and take your business elsewhere! I have a nice sub to do soon and I'll definitely go with another service provider or just sell raw.

[dizzy4111]

So, according to Nat, they did a random re-evaluation of this entire submission due to an unspecified "error," then changed 30-35% of the entire sub's grades?

What kind of error are we talking about here and how often does this happen? Assuming that's what actually happened.

[NBAicons]

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

So, according to Nat, they did a random re-evaluation of this entire submission due to an unspecified "error," then changed 30-35% of the entire sub's grades?

What kind of error are we talking about here and how often does this happen? Assuming that's what actually happened.

Nat as well aware of how stupid most collectors are. And PSA is happy to exploit that collective stupidity.

[Orangejello727]

The grading game is a house of cards that should fall but wont. It wont because the heavily invested people who stand to lose too much money in their collection/investment based on the "REAL" condition of the card in their PSA 10 holder.

We've all seen various cards in PSA 10 holder look worse than those graded lower. They exist. But for some reason collectors buy the grade and not the card. Until that changes, there is no way the PSA falls off the pedestal anytime soon or ever. It would need to start with people realizing that a PSA 10 does not deserve that big of a premium from a 9.

I rather just buy raw and keep raw now. The whole point is to obtaining the actual card for ownership. Not the number on the flip.

The grading scheme is a concern. But not as much as the big concern in the rise in counterfeit and replica cards being produced of rare inserts. That segment is absolutely nuts. Imagine going out and spending $15k on a manga insert thinking its rare only to find out its a reprint put out of China and dozens of them floating out there. No one can tell the difference. PSA is even grading them

[jcardstore]

You can file this one under: who cares

[MJGOAT23]

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

So, according to Nat, they did a random re-evaluation of this entire submission due to an unspecified "error," then changed 30-35% of the entire sub's grades?

What kind of error are we talking about here and how often does this happen? Assuming that's what actually happened.

The SCN podcast went over what happened. It looks bad on the surface but apparently (if I heard correctly - I was only half listening in the car), the customer complained about the grades in a Pokemon order and they were reevaluated. During this process the offer system and actual grades weren't updated in real time together (something about separate systems).

[MavsRChamps]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

The grading game is a house of cards that should fall but wont. It wont because the heavily invested people who stand to lose too much money in their collection/investment based on the "REAL" condition of the card in their PSA 10 holder.

We've all seen various cards in PSA 10 holder look worse than those graded lower. They exist. But for some reason collectors buy the grade and not the card. Until that changes, there is no way the PSA falls off the pedestal anytime soon or ever. It would need to start with people realizing that a PSA 10 does not deserve that big of a premium from a 9.

I rather just buy raw and keep raw now. The whole point is to obtaining the actual card for ownership. Not the number on the flip.

The grading scheme is a concern. But not as much as the big concern in the rise in counterfeit and replica cards being produced of rare inserts. That segment is absolutely nuts. Imagine going out and spending $15k on a manga insert thinking its rare only to find out its a reprint put out of China and dozens of them floating out there. No one can tell the difference. PSA is even grading them

Agreed. Counterfeit / replica cards is the #1 issue in the hobby imo and why I tend to avoid holding cards long term unless they're serial numbered, or even have other layers of security of being legit such as on card signatures, thick foil stock, heck box it came in, etc. Example I have / "invested" in dozens of 2012 Muhammad Ali Leaf boxes partly because I know whatever happens with counterfeit cards down the road, I have physical boxes they were pulled from as added layer of authenticity. I would be super reluctant to hold a Wemby Prizm Silver PSA 10 long term of Kaboom Long-term honestly. And even more relcutant to say hold a PSA 10 Steph Curry 2009 Topps base long term ... I don't see how the latter can not be replicated in mass if someone really wanted to ...

[ninjacookies]

Look. I get it. 40 acres n a mule, pay us what you owe us, my slab- my choice, etc etc. I'm a bit torn on this one though.

But after seeing how they did him in Birth of a Nation



I think the least we can do is let him artificially float the value of his POP 1- NUN GRADED HIGHER registry museum and double up on buyback fraud slabs.

That boy Nat dun been through some ish.

[49ersSF]

Originally Posted by MJGOAT23

The SCN podcast went over what happened. It looks bad on the surface but apparently (if I heard correctly - I was only half listening in the car), the customer complained about the grades in a Pokemon order and they were reevaluated. During this process the offer system and actual grades weren't updated in real time together (something about separate systems).