Jalen Hurts - Why no love on Blowout? - Page 15

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Hurts against the NYG this year...

15/20 179 yards and 4 TDs. That must be destroying them!

So Hurts had his second string players in? He didn't have Brown or Barkley the way McKee didn't have them when he played the G Men?

Man you are not bright.

mjekase · 12-09-2025, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

So Hurts had his second string players in? He didn't have Brown or Barkley the way McKee didn't have them when he played the G Men?

Man you are not bright.

Brown didn't play that game.

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mjekase

Brown didn't play that game.

But I assume Smith, Barkley, the starting O line, etc was in

Jeter1020 · 12-09-2025, 10:37 AM

Hurts literally made the playoffs with no Brown or Barkley in his first year as a starter in 2021

Yes he benefits from a great roster. This year is not great the play calling is not good. He played like absolute trash last night and the past three games

To say he’s not a good is also not accurate. Different play caller every year since college

SEC freshman of the year
Heisman runner up in senior year
MVP runner up
Second team all pro
Two Super Bowl appearances
One Super Bowl win
Super Bowl mvp

I think any quarterback would like a career like that in their first four years as a starter

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mjekase · 12-09-2025, 10:38 AM

Keep moving those goal posts, FCG. Atta boy.

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Hurts literally made the playoffs with no Brown or Barkley in his first year as a starter in 2021

Yes he benefits from a great roster. This year is not great the play calling is not good.

To say he’s not a good is also not accurate. Different play caller every year since college

SEC freshman of the year
Heisman runner up in senior year
MVP runner up
Second team all pro
Two Super Bowl appearances
One Super Bowl win
Super Bowl mvp

I think any quarterback would like a career like that in their first four years as a starter

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All due respect, the 2025 Jalen Hurts is NOT as good as the old one with all the accomplishments. It's okay, players decline. Doesnt erase what he did in the past.

Bad play calling doesn't excuse Hurts turning the ball over non stop and losin games

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mjekase

Keep moving those goal posts, FCG. Atta boy.

So in other words, I am right and you can't get past the receipts I bring.

Got it

Derekbauer · 12-09-2025, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

So Hurts had his second string players in? He didn't have Brown or Barkley the way McKee didn't have them when he played the G Men?

Man you are not bright.

It was week 18.

The Giants were 3-14 in 2025 and missing half the defense by the end of the season on IR.

Dexter Lawrence, both starting MLBs, Two of the three safeties, etc.

McKee played a good game but he was basically playing against backups with a couple starters mixed in. And a good chunk of those starters were cut by this season.

oldgoldy97 · 12-09-2025, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Derekbauer

It was week 18.

The Giants were 3-14 in 2025 and missing half the defense by the end of the season on IR.

Dexter Lawrence, both starting MLBs, Two of the three safeties, etc.

McKee played a good game but he was basically playing against backups with a couple starters mixed in. And a good chunk of those starters were cut by this season.

Trivial facts.

TheKnicksRule · 12-09-2025, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Hurts literally made the playoffs with no Brown or Barkley in his first year as a starter in 2021

Yes he benefits from a great roster. This year is not great the play calling is not good. He played like absolute trash last night and the past three games

To say he’s not a good is also not accurate. Different play caller every year since college

SEC freshman of the year
Heisman runner up in senior year
MVP runner up
Second team all pro
Two Super Bowl appearances
One Super Bowl win
Super Bowl mvp

I think any quarterback would like a career like that in their first four years as a starter

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All that resume stuff is fine, but none of it changes what he is as a quarterback right now. Hurts has been flat-out bad this season. The turnovers, the late reads, the hesitancy, the inability to win from the pocket unless the first read is wide open, that’s all on him, not the play caller. You can only blame different coordinators for so long before it becomes obvious the QB just isn’t processing at a high level.

And yeah, he’s had team success, but let’s be honest: the Eagles’ rosters the last few years have been stacked. He’s been the beneficiary of elite O-lines, elite weapons, and a scheme built around masking his weaknesses with RPOs and option stuff. The moment he actually has to drop back and beat a defense, he turns into a completely different player and not in a good way.

He’s not a bad QB, but he’s not playing anywhere near the level his accolades suggest. This season especially, he looks like a guy being carried by the talent around him, not elevating it.

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Derekbauer

It was week 18.

The Giants were 3-14 in 2025 and missing half the defense by the end of the season on IR.

Dexter Lawrence, both starting MLBs, Two of the three safeties, etc.

McKee played a good game but he was basically playing against backups with a couple starters mixed in. And a good chunk of those starters were cut by this season.

The starting D for G men played. Why are we bending reality? And McKee had his 2's. Those are the facts

Jeter1020 · 12-09-2025, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKnicksRule

All that resume stuff is fine, but none of it changes what he is as a quarterback right now. Hurts has been flat-out bad this season. The turnovers, the late reads, the hesitancy, the inability to win from the pocket unless the first read is wide open, that’s all on him, not the play caller. You can only blame different coordinators for so long before it becomes obvious the QB just isn’t processing at a high level.

And yeah, he’s had team success, but let’s be honest: the Eagles’ rosters the last few years have been stacked. He’s been the beneficiary of elite O-lines, elite weapons, and a scheme built around masking his weaknesses with RPOs and option stuff. The moment he actually has to drop back and beat a defense, he turns into a completely different player and not in a good way.

He’s not a bad QB, but he’s not playing anywhere near the level his accolades suggest. This season especially, he looks like a guy being carried by the talent around him, not elevating it.

QBs can’t have down years? Baker, Darnold and Danny dimes would say other wise.

Mahomes literally had his worst game ever the other night.

Burrow cost the Bengals the game with a bad pick Sunday.

Allen has had terrible games this season

Lamar is 3-5 in the playoffs despite having all pros in the roster

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Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:46 AM

WIP host just made a great point.

He said Hurts was propped up by a historic run game last year, and now that the run game is not that good, he's exposed

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeter1020

QBs can’t have down years? Baker, Darnold and Danny dimes would say other wise.

Mahomes literally had his worst game ever the other night.

Burrow cost the Bengals the game with a bad pic Sunday.

Allen has had terrible gams this season

Lamar is 3-5 in the playoffs despite having all pros in the roster

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It may be an "down year" but it may also be his decline

As an Eagles fan who wants to go deep in playoffs, do you just write off the season saying it's a down year for Hurts, or do you try to make a change?

Derekbauer · 12-09-2025, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

The starting D for G men played. Why are we bending reality? And McKee had his 2's. Those are the facts

The facts

6 of the 11 starters on a 3-14 team played.

Only 3 of those players were starters this season on a 2-12 team

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Derekbauer

The facts

6 of the 11 starters on a 3-14 team played.

Only 3 of those players were starters this season on a 2-12 team

I am not debating how experienced they were or were not. They were still the starting D and McKee went in with his 2nd stringers. That's just the facts

Boo · 12-09-2025, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Derekbauer

The facts

6 of the 11 starters on a 3-14 team played.

Only 3 of those players were starters this season on a 2-12 team

FACTS!!

TheKnicksRule · 12-09-2025, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeter1020

QBs can’t have down years? Baker, Darnold and Danny dimes would say other wise.

Mahomes literally had his worst game ever the other night.

Burrow cost the Bengals the game with a bad pick Sunday.

Allen has had terrible games this season

Lamar is 3-5 in the playoffs despite having all pros in the roster

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Yeah, QBs can absolutely have down years that’s not the argument. The point is how you look during that down year and what parts of your game are exposed when things stop being perfect around you.

Burrow throws a bad pick? He’s still one of the best pure passers in the league when healthy.
Allen has terrible games? He also single-handedly wins games nobody else could.

Hurts’ issues aren’t “he’s in a slump.” It’s that the same flaws keep showing up every time he has to play out of structure or from behind:

slow processing
late reads
staring down routes
forcing balls into coverage
struggles when the RPO/first read isn’t there
doesn’t elevate the offense unless everything is scripted perfectly

That’s not a “down year” problem that’s a ceiling problem.

Other top QBs have bad games and even bad stretches, but the underlying traits are still elite. With Hurts, the underlying traits are exactly what’s getting exposed this season.

That’s the difference.

Boo · 12-09-2025, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I am not debating how experienced they were or were not. They were still the starting D and McKee went in with his 2nd stringers. That's just the way it happened

Can you read?

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

FACTS!!

Like you know any of the details about that game? LMAO

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Can you read?

I can.

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 10:53 AM

Fan called in on WIP610 and told the Hurts 'Kool Aid drinkers' to F off LMAO

Host just said Hurts put on a 'Disaster class' last night, LMAO

mjekase · 12-09-2025, 11:08 AM

You sound crazy.

Floridacardguy · 12-09-2025, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mjekase

You sound crazy.

That's because I am honest and rational, and you are not used to that here

Grid · 12-09-2025, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mjekase

You sound crazy.

12-09-2025, 10:37 AM	#354
Jeter1020 Member Join Date: Jul 2024 Posts: 2,183	Jalen Hurts - Why no love on Blowout? Hurts literally made the playoffs with no Brown or Barkley in his first year as a starter in 2021 Yes he benefits from a great roster. This year is not great the play calling is not good. He played like absolute trash last night and the past three games To say he’s not a good is also not accurate. Different play caller every year since college SEC freshman of the year Heisman runner up in senior year MVP runner up Second team all pro Two Super Bowl appearances One Super Bowl win Super Bowl mvp I think any quarterback would like a career like that in their first four years as a starter Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12-09-2025, 10:53 AM	#372
Floridacardguy Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 11,825	Fan called in on WIP610 and told the Hurts 'Kool Aid drinkers' to F off LMAO Host just said Hurts put on a 'Disaster class' last night, LMAO Last edited by Floridacardguy; 12-09-2025 at 10:55 AM.

12-09-2025, 10:38 AM	#355
mjekase Member Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 669	Keep moving those goal posts, FCG. Atta boy.

12-09-2025, 10:46 AM	#363
Floridacardguy Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 11,825	WIP host just made a great point. He said Hurts was propped up by a historic run game last year, and now that the run game is not that good, he's exposed

12-09-2025, 11:08 AM	#373
mjekase Member Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 669	You sound crazy.